Pashtunistan/Loy Afghanistan vs Loyalism to Pakistan ? Reasons for and against.

[Razor]

I like how a thread about "Loy Afganistan" was created by an Indic troll, and ended up just housing an argument between a bunch of Indics.

Indus people indeed. I am rather proud that the Indus river of Pakistan has named several countries, states and people around the globe. Its an important place.

[Farahshah]

Yeah thank you for stressing the obvious, you f*cktard lol

Non Pashtuns don't care about Pashto. Its true that most of them look down on it and they consider it a lesser/inferior tribal language with no glory, no history. Persian is attached to great minds, great empires and great achievements while Pashto can't compite with that. Thats why even many Pashtuns living in urban areas prefer Persian over Pashto.

The rest of your comment is pure BS and its not worth to be replied. Please behave like a civilized human being and not like a tribal animal. We are not in Pashtunistan lol

The irony of gutter-mouth telling others how to act civilly isn't lost on anyone here. Who are you kidding? Is your calling us animals supposed to make us feel insulted and resent who we are? Well, ofcourse we are animals, as all humans are. What u tajerks are? Prokaryotes? Lol No wonder that you people with your great minds and great achievements cause and spread cancer everywhere you go.
Stop deluding yourself thinking that any Afghan would ever lose his/er afghanitob. Speaking more than one language has always been a matter of pride for them. It's the rich Avestan heritage of thier language that enables them learn and understand other languages. They have always respected other languages because only backward and ignorant people would regard a language with contempt and spread hatred against it. Oh and i do understand the reason why a Bépashto would hate it, cuz Pashto isn't something ajamsarie (muteheads) would ever understand. Stop letting this 'ajam pride' get too much into your head you ajamsaray. This, worse than any drunken stupor, state of you is making you see things that don't really exist. I live in an urban area and i've never seen a single Pashtun using it as a second language much less as first language. Nice try at fabricating a passable lie.
No matter how much you call Truth BS, you can't actually escape having the BS taste of it. Considering the pathetic state of your mentality, a constant dose of it is highly recommended to you. Otherwise you'll completely lose touch with sanity. And I hope to God it will help you curb your cancer spreading urges too so that others don't get and suffer from your kind of delusional malady.
P.s let thy behaviour be civil and inoffensive unto those who know-how to be civil and inoffensive to thou.
p.s.s make sure you do the reality check of your reply before posting here. I refuse to take any more of your psycotic episodes of delusions.

[Farahshah]

So true, if you look at Uzbacks in Ubezkistan or Tajiks in Tajikistan, there they dress and have totaly diffrent traditional jewelery clothes dances and customs. Meanwhile the same minorities in Afghansiatn have our type dress, cutoms and use our music, dance and even the way they talk is havely influenced by Pashtu. And somehow they have superior culture lol.

Farsi uses a lot of arabic loan words, its something like 40% arabic. They use also arabic alphabet, kind of weird when you talk about a superior culture and language. LOL

Don't talk to these Persians about it. They live in a parallel universe where every culture and language is a byproduct of their cultural and languistic evolution. They are the original and superior ones and only they should matter. In their world of make-believe They are the ones who gave everything to others while they never 'stoop' to the level of taking from others. Hence they are the original ones and others are corrupt. It never occured to them that if they are so pure why the hell is their name Faras an Arabic word and Persian Greek. Why is their country Iran a stolen identity from the Ironian (Ossetic) people? Why the hell tajik(tazik) go by the name Afghans gave them? Why can't they get that just like a Sikh can't be called Hindu because he lives in Hindustan, similarly, living in Afghanland doesn't make them Afghans.
More than 40% of their vocabulary is comprised of stolen words from Arabic, Hebrew, Avestan, Turkish, Greek etc. Not to mention their Dari has stolen many Afghani words and claim that it's purer than it's sire (persian). LOL
I'm from a country, where people are so stupid they can't tell an Arabic word from Persian. Most of the Arabic words are assumed Persian (thanks to lowlife mughals for that). They believe khudai (an Avestan epithet for AhuraMazda)is a Persian God, they think Shah (corrupt form of Arabic word Shaham meaning noble) is a persian title and that Stan (an Ancient Greek word from the IndoEuropean rootword -steh ) is a Persian suffix in Afghanistan, Turkmanistan, Pakistan etc.
As much as i hate their (persians)guts i still can't help but feel pitty for them when i see their Iranian persians stealing Arabic, Turkish and Armenian culture (dance, music, dress code etc) Afghanistani persians claiming Afghan cultue their own and Tajikov persian still following their Russian Gospodins. Xexexe
No wonder that these people with nonexisting culture and corrupt history, in their jealosy spread hatred against the great Afghan tribes, their history and Afghan heritage and concoct lies about us Afghans.
Thoi maazi pa khpal shairi, da durwoghu kitabo aw pa internet ki darwogh wayl bandi palawanaan dei. Rofl

[Nertj]

Don't talk to these Persians about it. They live in a parallel universe where every culture and language is a byproduct of their cultural and languistic evolution. They are the original and superior ones and only they should matter. In their world of make-believe They are the ones who gave everything to others while they never 'stoop' to the level of taking from others. Hence they are the original ones and others are corrupt. It never occured to them that if they are so pure why the hell is their name Faras an Arabic word and Persian Greek. Why is their country Iran a stolen identity from the Ironian (Ossetic) people? Why the hell tajik(tazik) go by the name Afghans gave them? Why can't they get that just like a Sikh can't be called Hindu because he lives in Hindustan, similarly, living in Afghanland doesn't make them Afghans.
More than 40% of their vocabulary is comprised of stolen words from Arabic, Hebrew, Avestan, Turkish, Greek etc. Not to mention their Dari has stolen many Afghani words and claim that it's purer than it's sire (persian). LOL
I'm from a country, where people are so stupid they can't tell an Arabic word from Persian. Most of the Arabic words are assumed Persian (thanks to lowlife mughals for that). They believe khudai (an Avestan epithet for AhuraMazda)is a Persian God, they think Shah (corrupt form of Arabic word Shaham meaning noble) is a persian title and that Stan (an Ancient Greek word from the IndoEuropean rootword -steh ) is a Persian suffix in Afghanistan, Turkmanistan, Pakistan etc.
As much as i hate their (persians)guts i still can't help but feel pitty for them when i see their Iranian persians stealing Arabic, Turkish and Armenian culture (dance, music, dress code etc) Afghanistani persians claiming Afghan cultue their own and Tajikov persian still following their Russian Gospodins. Xexexe
No wonder that these people with nonexisting culture and corrupt history, in their jealosy spread hatred against the great Afghan tribes, their history and Afghan heritage and concoct lies about us Afghans.
Thoi maazi pa khpal shairi, da durwoghu kitabo aw pa internet ki darwogh wayl bandi palawanaan dei. Rofl

Indic troll detected

[Farahshah]

Indic troll detected

Kudos to your stupidity.

[Nekrofrost]

Pashtunistan/loy afghanistan will never happen anymore cuz the damage has already been done and the state of pakistan has already ****ed up any ethnic identity(just look at the punjabis for example, they are the majority but because urdu is the national language most of them dont even know their own language ffs). With afghanistans side there is the problem that the country is invaded by the United Satans of America and any unity would actually be disliked by them cuz they cant handle a country with around 50% pashtun population so its impossible for their gold digging asses to handle a country with them being an actual majority. Islamists have totally ****ed up any unity becuase most islamists are retarded ****s who dont even know what theyre ideology is and will oppose nationalism unless its arab or turk nationalism. With both Pak and USA there is a whole other reason unity isnt possible too and its the whole capitalist propaganda that was fed during the invation of the USSR where all of the sudden some dumb**** thought of the idea of equating communism to atheism and all the people who want unity turn out to be leftists(or in ANPs case cringey liberals who wanna call themselves that). The damage is done to the point where some punjabi is gonna be pissed about afghan refugees even tho he cant tell the difference between the KPKwal and an afghan(plus theyve probablt never met an afghan either). The damage is done to the point where people who look the same dress the same speak the same language and have the same religion will curse at each others mothers as if they are so ****ing different from each other.
If there even is a chance that there is a united pashtunistan its gonna be in the ****tiest situation ever and pakistan will just wanna try and invade the place 24/7. Thats why i think people should try to stop trying to even talk about the matter at this point cuz its only gonna get ****tier.

[Azmal]

I don't want to unite with Pakistan, dude. That kind of regional unity is far from reality and facts. Right now the Islamic world is going through an ideologic war similar to the the European "WWI". Since seems this current war won't bring enough and good changes, we should expect a new regional war within few years where some sort of Islamic universal system will raise as the "ultimate system" for the Islamic world (just like liberal democracy emerged as the universal system in the Western world after WWII).

All this Pashtunistan MB is a lost cause. Even if Pashtuns manage to create a Pashtun state, it will be landlocked, no resources and with no real purpose. Pashtuns would be forced to rely on their Indic and Persian neighbors. Back to square one. Pashtuns should encourage their identity in Afghanistan and Pakistan but in general is safe to say that Pashtun culture will decline even further. Pashtuns lack of "soft power", thats why even many Pashtuns are willing to give up easily on their language and culture for the sake of "more advanced" cultures.

The simply fact you come to Pashtun forum instead of your Tajikum and are dying to get our approval proves our soft power.

[Nertj]

The simply fact you come to Pashtun forum instead of your Tajikum and are dying to get our approval proves our soft power.

your forum is almost alive dude, and it's mostly because these indics, with skin complexion issues and some weird obession with lightskinned races/maybe a desperation for race mixing, come here to gain approval.

I don't think your approval would make his life any different. Maybe for the Indics here it's a different matter, since most of them are desperate to race mix with basically anyone lighter than them. They have a weird fetish for Pashtuns, Kalash, etc.

[Nertj]

Afghan ethnics don't need to fight over Pashto or Farsi as dominant language in Afghanistan. These languages have been present in Afghanistan region for 1000s of years, and are still here. I don't know why people are fighting over language now. Afghanistan have over 30 languages today. they will survive if enough people speak them.

Some Pashtunists might want to Pashtunify Afghanistan, but Pashto just can't compete with Farsi if you want to implement the idea of one nation = one language. Simply put, Farsi is spoken in more countries. That alone makes it more useful to have as a communication tool. Pashto is only spoken in Pakistan outside Afghanistan, and it's deminishing there even though there are more Pashtuns there.

[Khostai]

Tajiks and Uzbeks are diverse populations though, specially given the historical circumstances.

as far as Farsi speakers, Tajiki, Dari and Farsi (Iran) sound like completely 3 different languages even though they are the same language. Just clarifying the diversity in language alone, of course sub-cultural differences arise as geographical distance is maximized.

There is also regional difrence between Pashtuns, and also PAshtuns in PAkistan has some diffrent things, but still our dress and customs are overlaping, meanwhile that of tajiks in Afghanistan and the ones in Tajikistan have quite a sharp diffrence.
And during eid you see all those Tajiks and farsiwans if they put on "traditional" clothes they put on typical Pashtun dress.

Its quite obvious who is influenced by whome.
And yes I do not deny tajik or persian influence in Pashtun culture. Like for example the blue chadari is a typical Persian cultural garment and that is also taken over by Pashtuns living in the city.

Becuase the Pashtun living in remote areas dont have chadari and Pashtuns who have nomadic life also do not wear chadari.

[EntranceChimney]

There is also regional difrence between Pashtuns, and also PAshtuns in PAkistan has some diffrent things, but still our dress and customs are overlaping, meanwhile that of tajiks in Afghanistan and the ones in Tajikistan have quite a sharp diffrence.
And during eid you see all those Tajiks and farsiwans if they put on "traditional" clothes they put on typical Pashtun dress.

Its quite obvious who is influenced by whome.
And yes I do not deny tajik or persian influence in Pashtun culture. Like for example the blue chadari is a typical Persian cultural garment and that is also taken over by Pashtuns living in the city.

Because the Pashtun living in remote areas dont have chadari and Pashtuns who have nomadic life also do not wear chadari.

I don't really know much about Tajikistani Tajiks. The people forming Tajiks are formed by various different ancient Iranic tribes, The tajikistani tajiks have absorbed Turkics as well. so the differences may be a result of their different ancient origins and influences from Turkic tribes.

I just commented that their Farsi sounds different from Farsi in Afghanistan, the same way Farsi in Iran sounds different due to regional distances over time resulting in dissimilarity. Irani Farsi is newer/reformed of the Persians, while Dari and Tajiki are probably older. Tajikistan faced massive Russification, so their language has been altered by Russians to some degrees, Dari of Afghanistan is probably closer to what the ancient Persians sounded like, since even Tajiks living in more isolated mountain regions of China sound similar to Tajiks in Afghanistan:

Persians in Western China - YouTube

That said, I am not denying Pashtuns influencing their neighbors. Unless people live isolated on some remote island, it's impossible to not be influenced by others. The region consisting of modern Afghanistan state is not divided by any real natural barrier, unlike say Pakistan, which is divided between the Indian populations, and the Dardics+Pashtun+Baluch groups one either side of a river.

[salman47]

Don't talk to these Persians about it. They live in a parallel universe where every culture and language is a byproduct of their cultural and languistic evolution. They are the original and superior ones and only they should matter. In their world of make-believe They are the ones who gave everything to others while they never 'stoop' to the level of taking from others. Hence they are the original ones and others are corrupt. It never occured to them that if they are so pure why the hell is their name Faras an Arabic word and Persian Greek. Why is their country Iran a stolen identity from the Ironian (Ossetic) people? Why the hell tajik(tazik) go by the name Afghans gave them? Why can't they get that just like a Sikh can't be called Hindu because he lives in Hindustan, similarly, living in Afghanland doesn't make them Afghans.
More than 40% of their vocabulary is comprised of stolen words from Arabic, Hebrew, Avestan, Turkish, Greek etc. Not to mention their Dari has stolen many Afghani words and claim that it's purer than it's sire (persian). LOL
I'm from a country, where people are so stupid they can't tell an Arabic word from Persian. Most of the Arabic words are assumed Persian (thanks to lowlife mughals for that). They believe khudai (an Avestan epithet for AhuraMazda)is a Persian God, they think Shah (corrupt form of Arabic word Shaham meaning noble) is a persian title and that Stan (an Ancient Greek word from the IndoEuropean rootword -steh ) is a Persian suffix in Afghanistan, Turkmanistan, Pakistan etc.
As much as i hate their (persians)guts i still can't help but feel pitty for them when i see their Iranian persians stealing Arabic, Turkish and Armenian culture (dance, music, dress code etc) Afghanistani persians claiming Afghan cultue their own and Tajikov persian still following their Russian Gospodins. Xexexe
No wonder that these people with nonexisting culture and corrupt history, in their jealosy spread hatred against the great Afghan tribes, their history and Afghan heritage and concoct lies about us Afghans.
Thoi maazi pa khpal shairi, da durwoghu kitabo aw pa internet ki darwogh wayl bandi palawanaan dei. Rofl

Arabs have the same level of stupidity as Indians and Persians. They think everything came from Arabs. E.g. One of my Syrian friend believes(not think, but literally believes) that Pashto/Persian/Kurdish came from Arabic. It's difficult arguing with that idiot because he becomes a wall and says 'I am a Arab, I studied in Shariah school'(i.e. I am a low life ajam, just like Gentiles are to Jews) bla bla bla so he never listens.

[Farahshah]

Afghan ethnics don't need to fight over Pashto or Farsi as dominant language in Afghanistan. These languages have been present in Afghanistan region for 1000s of years, and are still here. I don't know why people are fighting over language now. Afghanistan have over 30 languages today. they will survive if enough people speak them.

Some Pashtunists might want to Pashtunify Afghanistan, but Pashto just can't compete with Farsi if you want to implement the idea of one nation = one language. Simply put, Farsi is spoken in more countries. That alone makes it more useful to have as a communication tool. Pashto is only spoken in Pakistan outsideAfghanistan, and it's deminishing there even though there are more Pashtuns there.

Lol you must have got this cancer of denial from that tajerk guy. Btw Who would listen to the opinion of a person, who can't tell a Pashtun from Indian, on the subject of which language is what and what not. All tajerks/parSPANs are no better than the indians that you make fun of. They all live in a constant delusional state just like those Indians. Both are ugly, backstabbing, ungrateful lot. They may be different from each on the outside but have got the same stinky rotten insides.
There's no such thing as Afghan 'ethnicities'. Afghan itself is an ethnicity. Dunno whether it's the denseness of your minds or the 'weakness' of your persian that's not letting you comprehend such a simple fact. If you'd have learned just a lil bit of Pashto from your Pashto course book you wouldn't have made such a mistake and made a total cake of yourself as you did here. Nobody is Pashtunising Afghanistan. It's hands down already a Pushtunized country. Even The name AFGHANistan says it all.
No language competes with other languages. What an irrational stupid thing to say. Where did you get such nonsensical notion of competition from? From persian make-believe world?
In my entire life i have never seen a SINGLE Pashtun speak persian as first language neither from Afghanistan (deny all you want pashto is spoken in Afghanistan by the indeginious people of the country)nor from Pakistan. So shove your lies down your lying throat. No one's going to believe a single word from a muttonhead.
Trust me, all the proud persian people from Afghanistan when come to Quetta, Peshawer, Karachi and Islamabad they resort to speaking Pashto and forget all about the so called prestigious Persian. Cuz not a single person here speaks Persian and that's a fact. If you want to get education and medical treatment from Pakistan learn some Pashto and how to respect Pashto. Because it's only for the sake of Pashtuns Pakistan is tolerating you people here. I wonder why they don't prefer Tajikistan and Iran over Pakistan when it comes to education and medical treatment?

[Farahshah]

Fantasies aside.

Afghanistan is there to stay. Same with Pakistan.

And so is Pashto. Spreading hateful falsehoods against Pashto won't make it just vanquish from the face of the earth as persians dream it. It's comevto stay. For let me tell you the day when Pashto is 'diminished' they word 'Afghan' would ceasevto exist. Cuz both are co-related and is nothing without the other. As khushal khan khattak says Afghan is Pashtun Pashtun is Afghan.

[maneatinglizard]

All that hatred towards Tajiks/Farsiwans is uneccesary. We may not be going away anytime soon, but neither are they. Ubless you plan on genocide or something, we have no choice but to get along if either of us want to succeed.

And I know plenty of Pashtuns that speak Farsi as their first language. Heck, I have Pashtun friends whom only speak Farsi. And I don't really know why it matters what language Tajiks speak in Pakistan. It's neither a Pashtun nor a Persian country, and in my experience they usually speak Urdu if they didn't already know Pashto anyway.