Pashtunistan/Loy Afghanistan vs Loyalism to Pakistan ? Reasons for and against.

[maneatinglizard]

I am speaking on behalf of Muslims collectively.

Muslims don't want someone who believes Ghulam Ahmad received divine revelation speaking for them.

[Razor]

Pashtuns and Baluch of Afghanistan surely prefer Desification/getting absorbed by Indian type people like Punjabis. lol

Are you that scared of Punjabis? lol
I am sure they will include an anti-daal clause, just for people like you.

[Razor]

8. Pashtuns have a 5000 year old history. Pakistan is only 70 years old.

All modern nations are a few centuries old at most. Surely you see the irony when Pakistan is home to the Indus Valley Civ.

[kanishka]

All modern nations are a few centuries old at most. Surely you see the irony when Pakistan is home to the Indus Valley Civ.

why doesnt pakistan talk about indus valley ?

[Peacelove]

I have visited Pakistan during the height of Operation Raddul Fasaad. As I explained in my intro, my mother is Pakistani from Multan. I stayed in Multan for little over 2 years. I returned to Canada in April 2016.
During my stay in Pakistan I observed a nation that is increasingly becoming secular. The State is cracking down on the Madaris. They are forcefully shutting down all Madaris which are not registered with the government. They are also imposing their own curricular requirements on the Madaris. Basically, the Pakistani State is going in the same direction as the authoritarian Arab countries like Egypt, Syria, Algeria, etc., where the State closely monitors the mosques and controls and regulates religious activities.




I never once defended India. I am against ALL forms of nationalism, including Azad's Indian nationalism.



For me Iqbal is no authority. Tariq Ali wrote in his book that Iqbal died of syphilis (an STD) because he used to visit the red light districts of Lahore too much. I totally reject the modernist Iqbalian ideas and philosophy about Islam. Iqbal is the one responsible for why Pakistan is not Islamic, because the Pakistani State is invoking Iqbal's modernist ideas as justification for not implementing Taliban-style Islamic system of justice and government. For example, Iqbal wrote:

"Is it the development of a general materialist outlook in Turkey which seems inimical to Islam? Islam has had too much of renunciation; it is time for the Muslims to look to realities. Materialism is a bad weapon against religion; but it is quite an effective one against Mulla-craft and Sufi-craft, which deliberately mystify the people with a view to exploiting their ignorance and credulity...Is it, then, the abolition of the old dress or the introduction of the Latin script? Islam as a religion has no country; as a society it has no specific language, no specific dress. Even the recitation of the Qur'an in Turkish is not without some precedent in Muslim history...Is it then the abolition of polygamy or the licentiate Ulama? According to the Law of Islam, the Amir of a Muslim State has the power to revoke the "permissions" of the law if he is convinced that they tend to cause social corruption. As to the licentiate Ulama I would certainly introduce it in Muslim India if I had the power to do so...Is it the abolition of the Caliphate or the separation of Church and State? In its essence Islam is not Imperialism. In the abolition of the Caliphate which, since the days of the Umayyads, had practically become a kind of Empire, it is only the spirit of Islam that has worked out through the Ataturk...Nor is the idea of separation of Church and State alien to Islam...Nationalism in the sense of love of one's country and even readiness to die for its honour is a part of the Muslims' faith...In majority countries Islam accommodates nationalism; for there Islam and nationalism are practically identical."

As for Iqbal's assertion that it is foolish for the Mulla to think Islam is free because he has permission to offer personal devotions to God, this is an example of how Iqbal's conception of Islam was against the traditional conception and colored by the influence of modernism and materialism upon him. I argue that it is precisely because the contemporary Pakistani State considers Iqbal one of its founding fathers and has made his heretical ideas into its national narrative that Pakistan has betrayed Islam and should not be considered an Islamic project anymore.



Once again I ask you when did I ever defend India or the atrocities committed against Muslims in India? That is not the point of our discussion.



Slaughtering a cow on Eid is not mandatory in Islam. In fact the Sunna of Abraham was to sacrifice a ram, not a cow. If cow slaughter is illegal in India this has nothing to do with being against Islam nor is it a threat to Islam, because cow sacrifice is not a fundamental religious practice for us. In fact, Iqbal himself, in the quote I cited earlier, argued that the Amir of a Muslim country has the authority to prohibit something which is otherwise Halal according to Islamic law. Interestingly, there is also a Hadith in which the Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi wasallam) discouraged the eating of beef for health reasons.

The Pakistani State banning the free use of loudspeakers by Mosques is a greater attack on the freedom to practice Islam than the Indian State banning cow-slaughter. Pakistani law allows for the drinking of alcohol in designated hotels; it allows for interest-based commercial banking...these are much more serious threats to Islam than banning cow-slaughter.

1) Cherry pick iqbal quote and then later Justify India once again by saying" argued that the Amir of a Muslim country has the authority to prohibit something which is otherwise Halal according to Islamic law"
Amir of Muslim country Mashallah so now India is a muslim country whose Amir is a Modi...Congrats Mr.Modi you should hire ulema like this guy who will give you permission to whatever you wish to do..
Amir of Pakistan is Hindu who can't ban anything..As i said the more you speak the more you expose of your deep inner love for India a Hindu majority country..

2) You defend India by saying its better to be with India ...Again by saying cow slaughter ban is OK ...

3) I ask you India aka Hindu Army is killing and raping in Kashmir ? What is the order for Muslims now ? to remain loyal to India or wage a Jihad to sop Hindus for killing Muslims ?Why you are avoiding this and continuously maneuvering the question..

4)You being canadian paying taxes to government which is Killing Muslim in afghanistan ? Why don't you leave this country and settle in your favorite Muslim country..Now you would say there is no Muslim country to live in ...I understand it is difficult to leave the comfort and nice weather along other benefits which government is providing you.then to settle in Muslim country with no health benefits ,pollution or other things.Being Canadian you can settle in any other country but you would prefer Canada to say..Alas and then speak of Muslim or Muslim countries ..You and your family in fact contributing to massacre of Muslims by financing taxes to your Canadian Government..

5) Actually you are alike ISIS who justify killing of Muslims while make apology to Isarel...Though i am not surprised since Indian Muslims were/are against creation of Pakistan.

6) By your choice you and your parents are living in a country where Gay marriages are allowed by there constitution..Atleast nothing like this in Pakistan is legal..My bad should i read the Oath whihc your family has taken "I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen.”
Basically this is oath your family is adhere to means they are loyal to Queen...and will obey all the laws...MASHALLAH My friend you are going nice..You are loyal to your queen and laws of Canada...

[ذو الفقار]

1) Cherry pick iqbal quote and then later Justify India once again by saying" argued that the Amir of a Muslim country has the authority to prohibit something which is otherwise Halal according to Islamic law"
Amir of Muslim country Mashallah so now India is a muslim country whose Amir is a Modi...Congrats Mr.Modi you should hire ulema like this guy who will give you permission to whatever you wish to do..
Amir of Pakistan is Hindu who can't ban anything..As i said the more you speak the more you expose of your deep inner love for India a Hindu majority country..

2) You defend India by saying its better to be with India ...Again by saying cow slaughter ban is OK ...

3) I ask you India aka Hindu Army is killing and raping in Kashmir ? What is the order for Muslims now ? to remain loyal to India or wage a Jihad to sop Hindus for killing Muslims ?Why you are avoiding this and continuously maneuvering the question..

4)You being canadian paying taxes to government which is Killing Muslim in afghanistan ? Why don't you leave this country and settle in your favorite Muslim country..Now you would say there is no Muslim country to live in ...I understand it is difficult to leave the comfort and nice weather along other benefits which government is providing you.then to settle in Muslim country with no health benefits ,pollution or other things.Being Canadian you can settle in any other country but you would prefer Canada to say..Alas and then speak of Muslim or Muslim countries ..You and your family in fact contributing to massacre of Muslims by financing taxes to your Canadian Government..

5) Actually you are alike ISIS who justify killing of Muslims while make apology to Isarel...Though i am not surprised since Indian Muslims were/are against creation of Pakistan.

6) By your choice you and your parents are living in a country where Gay marriages are allowed by there constitution..Atleast nothing like this in Pakistan is legal..My bad should i read the Oath whihc your family has taken "I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen.”
Basically this is oath your family is adhere to means they are loyal to Queen...and will obey all the laws...MASHALLAH My friend you are going nice..You are loyal to your queen and laws of Canada...

I don't know why you are being so dense but I have to keep on repeating the fact that I have never once defended India. I am merely comparing the prospects for Islam in secularizing Pakistan vs Hinduizing India, and I see that situation of Muslims in Hinduized India in terms of practicing their religion is preferable to situation of Muslims in military dominated, authoritarian and secularized Pakistan.

It's like if I say "I would prefer to drown than be burnt alive", it doesn't mean I want to drown. It's called going with the lesser of the two evils. Pakistan being Muslim-majority and India being Hindu-majority is immaterial to the point. There are some Muslim-majority countries (especially in North Africa and former Soviet Union) where it is illegal for women to observe Purda and illegal for young people to go inside a Masjid. As a Muslim would you rather live in India or Tajikistan? Tajikistan is a Muslim country but girls are not allowed to wear hijab in school. Uzbekistan, another Muslim country, has proscribed peaceful Islamic preaching groups like Tablighi Jamaat. Can you imagine if India decided to ban Tablighi Jamaat, or ban the burqa, or ban young people from praying in a Masjid?

So I am not defending India at all, but at least in India you can practice Islam, which is not even possible in many Muslim-majority countries, and Pakistan will soon be one of those countries, as Pakistan is already banning the use of loudspeaker except for Adhan, Pakistan is closing down private and unregistered Madrassas, and Pakistan is secularizing its educational curriculum.

So now let me answer your specific points:

1. Iqbal said the Amir of a Muslim country can prohibit something that is Halal in Islamic law. My point is that if a Muslim country can do that, what is the objection to a non-Muslim country doing the same thing? Why the double standard? In fact I don't even agree with Iqbal's assertion, because no one has the right to make Haram that which Allah has declared Halal. If you are so concerned with Islam first thing you should denounce Iqbal before you denounce Modi, because Modi never claims to be a Muslim, but Iqbal claimed to be a Muslim, so who is the hypocrite?

2. I never said cow sacrifice ban is okay, I merely pointed out that it is a less serious issue because it is not an issue of religious freedom. Why aren't you upset that Muslim ladies are banned from wearing Hijab in schools in Tajikistan? Pakistan is a close ally of China, but Chinese government routinely bans Muslims in Uighur province from fasting during Ramadan. Where is the uproar in Pakistan against Chinese ban on Roza (one of the five pillars of Islam), but you are upset with Indian ban on cow slaughter? Why this double standard?

3. I never defended what Indian army is doing in Kashmir. Your question about Jihad is a separate topic, I would be glad to discuss about Jihad on a different thread. But also see what many Muslim countries are doing, like Syria, they too are raping and killing Sunni women, Saudi Arabia is slaughtering Yemeni women and children, Egyptian military slaughtered thousands of Muslims in August 2013 at the Rabaa al Adawiya Mosque. Should there be Jihad against Saudi Arabia and Egypt?

4. I was born in Canada and don't have citizenship of any Muslim country, including Pakistan. A person is excused for something he or she has no control over.

5. I never justified killing of Muslims or apologizing to India or Israel. This is a blatant slander of me.

6. I don't live in Canada by choice, I was born here. Being a natural born citizen, I was never required to make such an oath, and I have never made such an oath in my entire life, and in sha Allah I will never make such an oath until I die. However, thousands of Pakistani immigrants who chose to come to Canada make this oath, you should criticize them.

[Peacelove]

I don't know why you are being so dense but I have to keep on repeating the fact that I have never once defended India. I am merely comparing the prospects for Islam in secularizing Pakistan vs Hinduizing India, and I see that situation of Muslims in Hinduized India in terms of practicing their religion is preferable to situation of Muslims in military dominated, authoritarian and secularized Pakistan.

It's like if I say "I would prefer to drown than be burnt alive", it doesn't mean I want to drown. It's called going with the lesser of the two evils. Pakistan being Muslim-majority and India being Hindu-majority is immaterial to the point. There are some Muslim-majority countries (especially in North Africa and former Soviet Union) where it is illegal for women to observe Purda and illegal for young people to go inside a Masjid. As a Muslim would you rather live in India or Tajikistan? Tajikistan is a Muslim country but girls are not allowed to wear hijab in school. Uzbekistan, another Muslim country, has proscribed peaceful Islamic preaching groups like Tablighi Jamaat. Can you imagine if India decided to ban Tablighi Jamaat, or ban the burqa, or ban young people from praying in a Masjid?

So I am not defending India at all, but at least in India you can practice Islam, which is not even possible in many Muslim-majority countries, and Pakistan will soon be one of those countries, as Pakistan is already banning the use of loudspeaker except for Adhan, Pakistan is closing down private and unregistered Madrassas, and Pakistan is secularizing its educational curriculum.

So now let me answer your specific points:

1. Iqbal said the Amir of a Muslim country can prohibit something that is Halal in Islamic law. My point is that if a Muslim country can do that, what is the objection to a non-Muslim country doing the same thing? Why the double standard? In fact I don't even agree with Iqbal's assertion, because no one has the right to make Haram that which Allah has declared Halal. If you are so concerned with Islam first thing you should denounce Iqbal before you denounce Modi, because Modi never claims to be a Muslim, but Iqbal claimed to be a Muslim, so who is the hypocrite?

2. I never said cow sacrifice ban is okay, I merely pointed out that it is a less serious issue because it is not an issue of religious freedom. Why aren't you upset that Muslim ladies are banned from wearing Hijab in schools in Tajikistan? Pakistan is a close ally of China, but Chinese government routinely bans Muslims in Uighur province from fasting during Ramadan. Where is the uproar in Pakistan against Chinese ban on Roza (one of the five pillars of Islam), but you are upset with Indian ban on cow slaughter? Why this double standard?

3. I never defended what Indian army is doing in Kashmir. Your question about Jihad is a separate topic, I would be glad to discuss about Jihad on a different thread. But also see what many Muslim countries are doing, like Syria, they too are raping and killing Sunni women, Saudi Arabia is slaughtering Yemeni women and children, Egyptian military slaughtered thousands of Muslims in August 2013 at the Rabaa al Adawiya Mosque. Should there be Jihad against Saudi Arabia and Egypt?

4. I was born in Canada and don't have citizenship of any Muslim country, including Pakistan. A person is excused for something he or she has no control over.

5. I never justified killing of Muslims or apologizing to India or Israel. This is a blatant slander of me.

6. I don't live in Canada by choice, I was born here. Being a natural born citizen, I was never required to make such an oath, and I have never made such an oath in my entire life, and in sha Allah I will never make such an oath until I die. However, thousands of Pakistani immigrants who chose to come to Canada make this oath, you should criticize them.

1) From point 1 to 3 you again cleverly defend India by saying since Muslim countries are bad so Pagan country is better ...Thank GOD you did not blame Andromeda and other galaxies in order to justify the atrioicites of India/Hindu Amry...The inner indian is you is clearly out and not let you say anything about Indian army/hindu army killing the people in kashmir..Just because some where some how muslims are killing each other so yes Indian Army please you also continue..Yet waiting for an answer what to do with Indian Army?killing Muslim...(Again don't say that all muslims are killing each other so Hindus are killing to and make no difference)

2) You have control..You can go to other muslim country for earning and stay there..Migrate to Afria or Pakistan or some other poor muslim country...Oh but why since these countries can't offer you the health, education and quality of life you are enjoying in Canada.GOD has asked muslims to migrate ...Provided you don't feel the conditions exist to migrate from Canada as it is better to live in Canada and continue financing there taxes to impose war on Muslims and continue to establish Nizame kufar in canada

3)Yes i do and will critize those pakistanis like Mr.Qadri who has there allegiance to Canadian Queen and wish to bring Inaqalab in Pakistan..Or the likes of you reaping all the benefits of Liberal, Secular, Mushrik and Constitutionaly legalized gay marriage country while spreading the pear of wisdom how bad the muslim country is wrt to the Pagan countries..

4) If you are so much of convienced to your ideas..Have you ever asked your father "Why did he migrate from India " ? or why do he allege his loyalty, faithfulness to Canadian Queen"...Or just commenting on forum to teach others

5) I am sad why do you Pay taxes to Kafir government who then BOMB our Muslim countries ?Why you finance the war on Muslims ?as you said you will never make such an oth..You don't need to you are reaping all the benefits without even an oath...

[ذو الفقار]

2) You have control..You can go to other muslim country for earning and stay there..Migrate to Afria or Pakistan or some other poor muslim country...

When I was in Pakistan I applied for a shanakhti card but was denied because my father is Indian and I was born in Canada. I had to stay in Pakistan on a visa, and once that visa expired I have to renew it. Travelling in Pakistan without a shanakhti card is very inconvenient, as you are constantly stopped at Army check posts and asked for ID card, otherwise you are denied basic mobility.

Other Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia do not grant citizenship, I can only go there as a guest worker. If citizens of those countries are themselves desperate to leave how do you expect us from non-Muslim countries to move there? Instead of making Hijra to these corrupt countries, it is better to wait for Imam Mahdi, when he comes he will smash all these Muslim countries including Pakistan and establish a real Islamic government where all Muslims are welcome to live without any visa or citizenship. Any Muslim will be able to go to Mecca and Medina without any documentation, all he will have to do is recite the Kalima.

Oh but why since these countries can't offer you the health, education and quality of life you are enjoying in Canada.GOD has asked muslims to migrate ...Provided you don't feel the conditions exist to migrate from Canada as it is better to live in Canada and continue financing there taxes to impose war on Muslims and continue to establish Nizame kufar in canada

We are compelled to pay taxes to the government, so we are excused. Nobody pays taxes of their own volition. Even in Pakistan your taxes are being pocketed by the military and corrupt politicians. They use that tax money for even more nefarious purposes.

4) If you are so much of convienced to your ideas..Have you ever asked your father "Why did he migrate from India " ? or why do he allege his loyalty, faithfulness to Canadian Queen"...Or just commenting on forum to teach others

I am not my father's keeper. Besides, he merely left one non-Muslim country (India) for another non-Muslim country (Canada). The real question is why does Pakistan no longer accept Muslim refugees from India? What happened to two-nation theory? Pakistan doesn't even accept the Biharis of Bangladesh who were the most loyal Pakistanis. Those Biharis are so loyal to Pakistan they are forced to live in bad conditions of a refugee camp for generations in Dhaka, but Pakistani government never bothered to repatriate them all to Pakistan. Shame on Pakistan.

[Peacelove]

When I was in Pakistan I applied for a shanakhti card but was denied because my father is Indian and I was born in Canada. I had to stay in Pakistan on a visa, and once that visa expired I have to renew it. Travelling in Pakistan without a shanakhti card is very inconvenient, as you are constantly stopped at Army check posts and asked for ID card, otherwise you are denied basic mobility.

Other Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia do not grant citizenship, I can only go there as a guest worker. If citizens of those countries are themselves desperate to leave how do you expect us from non-Muslim countries to move there? Instead of making Hijra to these corrupt countries, it is better to wait for Imam Mahdi, when he comes he will smash all these Muslim countries including Pakistan and establish a real Islamic government where all Muslims are welcome to live without any visa or citizenship. Any Muslim will be able to go to Mecca and Medina without any documentation, all he will have to do is recite the Kalima.



We are compelled to pay taxes to the government, so we are excused. Nobody pays taxes of their own volition. Even in Pakistan your taxes are being pocketed by the military and corrupt politicians. They use that tax money for even more nefarious purposes.



I am not my father's keeper. Besides, he merely left one non-Muslim country (India) for another non-Muslim country (Canada). The real question is why does Pakistan no longer accept Muslim refugees from India? What happened to two-nation theory? Pakistan doesn't even accept the Biharis of Bangladesh who were the most loyal Pakistanis. Those Biharis are so loyal to Pakistan they are forced to live in bad conditions of a refugee camp for generations in Dhaka, but Pakistani government never bothered to repatriate them all to Pakistan. Shame on Pakistan.

Thats the crux ..You prefer to stay in liberal, musrik under the government of Kufr then to stay under Bad muslim ruler...
So its not about Islam its about your personal benefit and the quality of life you are getting in Canada..If you are so sincere to your beleive why don't live in Africa...as guest worker..As i said like all other you prefer quality of life no matter where you live under Mushrik or muslim ruler you don't care..But need to take more high standing by informing other how bad Muslim countries are (though there is no doubt) but jusitfy India( thats where you exposed you are azad or madani type indian nationalist nothing else)..Thank GOD pakistan didn't issue NIC to people like you ..Otherwise you would have supporting RAW on the pretext since Pakistan is not good Muslim country its makes no difference to help India and earn some Halal income..
The fact that you pay taxes to enjoy the benfefits and in return your government imposed war on Muslims is undeniable..
Lol yes Shame on Pakistan but praised to India and Canada raping and killing Muslims in which you are contributing Money wise..Lol cursed Pakistan for registering madraasas and praise CANADA to legalize GAY MARRIAGE where your family has taken oath to defend that constitution and land

[Razor]

The real question is why does Pakistan no longer accept Muslim refugees from India? What happened to two-nation theory? Pakistan doesn't even accept the Biharis of Bangladesh who were the most loyal Pakistanis. Those Biharis are so loyal to Pakistan they are forced to live in bad conditions of a refugee camp for generations in Dhaka, but Pakistani government never bothered to repatriate them all to Pakistan. Shame on Pakistan.[/FONT][/SIZE]

This is crass oversimplification of the Pakistan movement and colonial history.
The original concept of a Muslim nation involved very little migration. All Muslim majority regions would have been part of the new nation and people would stay in their native regions, this included parts in Deccan India, North India, Bengal and the Indus valley states. The two nations would form a union but keep their regional identities.

At no point did the founders state that everyone had to migrate to the Indus valley states. They didn't foresee an overly hostile India and a half assed British partition plan.

[ذو الفقار]

This is crass oversimplification of the Pakistan movement and colonial history.
The original concept of a homeland for Muslims involved very little migration. All Muslim majority regions would have been part of the new nation and people would stay in their native regions, this included parts in Deccan India, North India, Bengal and the Indus valley states. The two nations would form a union but keep their regional identities.

At no point did the founders state that everyone had to migrate to the Indus valley states. They didn't foresee an overly hostile India and a half assed British partition plan.

You're still missing the point of Pakistani State turning its back on the Biharis or "Stranded Pakistanis" and never taking any serious measure to repatriate them to Pakistan. The reason is because the political situation in what is now West Pakistan, the political parties pandered to the local population especially the Sindhis and therefore was never keen on allowing the Biharis to settle there. The original rise of the PPP and Bhutto in the 1970s was actually due in large part to the xenophobia of the local Sindhis and other populations against the influx of Muslim refugees from India. This is how Pakistan nullified its own two-nation theory and became a de facto ethnic state giving priority to the political and social concerns of Punjabis, Sindhis and Pathans while seeking to marginalize the Muslim refugees. It also explain the stupid and racist quota system introduced by the fascist Bhutto almost immediately after he gained power. In short, Pakistan has betrayed the original objective for which it was supposedly created.
The project has failed and needs to be ended

[Peacelove]

You're still missing the point of Pakistani State turning its back on the Biharis or "Stranded Pakistanis" and never taking any serious measure to repatriate them to Pakistan. The reason is because the political situation in what is now West Pakistan, the political parties pandered to the local population especially the Sindhis and therefore was never keen on allowing the Biharis to settle there. The original rise of the PPP and Bhutto in the 1970s was actually due in large part to the xenophobia of the local Sindhis and other populations against the influx of Muslim refugees from India. This is how Pakistan nullified its own two-nation theory and became a de facto ethnic state giving priority to the political and social concerns of Punjabis, Sindhis and Pathans while seeking to marginalize the Muslim refugees. It also explain the stupid and racist quota system introduced by the fascist Bhutto almost immediately after he gained power. In short, Pakistan has betrayed the original objective for which it was supposedly created.
The project has failed and needs to be ended

Lol Mr Indian please first PAK the Hindustan from Pagan and close that Project then Finish the Canada and we will do for Paksitan next...An indian inside you is open now..While financing the war on Muslims you have no right to speak for Pakistan

[Razor]

You're still missing the point of Pakistani State turning its back on the Biharis or "Stranded Pakistanis" and never taking any serious measure to repatriate them to Pakistan. The reason is because the political situation in what is now West Pakistan, the political parties pandered to the local population especially the Sindhis and therefore was never keen on allowing the Biharis to settle there. The original rise of the PPP and Bhutto in the 1970s was actually due in large part to the xenophobia of the local Sindhis and other populations against the influx of Muslim refugees from India. This is how Pakistan nullified its own two-nation theory and became a de facto ethnic state giving priority to the political and social concerns of Punjabis, Sindhis and Pathans while seeking to marginalize the Muslim refugees. It also explain the stupid and racist quota system introduced by the fascist Bhutto almost immediately after he gained power. In short, Pakistan has betrayed the original objective for which it was supposedly created.
The project has failed and needs to be ended

You are delusional Zulfiqar sir. Pakistan was never about relocating people. Please review the Pakistan movement in the 30s, Rehmat Ali, Iqbal et al. At no point do they talk about relocating Muslims en masse.




Quote: on behalf of our 30 million Muslim brethren, who live in PAKSTAN – by which we mean the five northern units of India viz,: Punjab, North West Frontier Province (Afghan Province), Kashmir, Sindh and Balochistan.
....
"The population of British India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh)

i.e Even Bangladesh was never meant to be part of this Pakistan. The clue is in the name.

[GuruZai]

don't know if troll or serious.

you think non-Pashtuns will just move out of their lands?

in what fantasy does this moron live in?

as far as your ''pure'' Pasthun race:



some pure race. lol

dont worry brother, i will get white children by breeding with beautiful afghn girl.

[maneatinglizard]

I like how a thread about "Loy Afganistan" was created by an Indic troll, and ended up just housing an argument between a bunch of Indics.