Pakistan moving towards a failed state?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Keep on changing your statements about '' Pakistan lost more military personnel to Taliban than India '' to '' Pakistan lost more military personnel than US did to Taliban ''

Both statements are factual actually, when understood in correct context. Nothing coming from a Pakistani Nationalist can be taken as fact by default since Pakistani establishment is known for siphoning information.

What makes you think they don't already ? They are facing a big revolt in Kashmir and trying to get level at us .

Because Taliban Movement resulted from the blowback of Pakistani terrorist policy. India has never been shown to deal in terrorism by any independently verified source. Key word INDEPENTLY verified not Pakistani Nationalist babble.


The video you showed is most likely staged, because everyone knows Pakistan uses torture as policy. So if they actually caught someone it'd be a tortured response, and thus dubious. This person clearly hasn't been tortured, so this person is just taught to play a role.

See this is what happens when you deal in terrorism. everything produced by your Govt. becomes automatically suspect.

When it comes to Proxy wars and mind games we are a step ahead according to their ex raw chief .

If this was true, you wouldn't have Baluch Nationalists and TTP rising up again. The video has nothing to do with my remark, You're on a tangent.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Any country faced with 1971 consequences would have lost . Its not ironic that the other 3 wars (1947 , 65 , 99 ) which did not involve Bangladesh ended in Stalemates for both countries . We all know how much guts your indian friends have . Post 2002 they had their soldiers on the border and ended up killing their own soldiers (800 of them ) . After the mumbai attacks they threatened attacks only to be told by the Air chief that their Planes will be shot down by PAF . Post Urhi attack in 2016 they did the same randi rona about attacking only to face the reality about their incapabilities when it comes to Pakistan . Any sight of Pakistani F-16's flying in the air gets them **** scared and their media goes into a meltdown . They even accused us of Pigeon spying on them

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Enlighten yourself .

Why India can’t defeat Pakistan or China in a war

This is basically you right now.

[Pakistan]

Both statements are factual actually, when understood in correct context. Nothing coming from a Pakistani Nationalist can be taken as fact by default since Pakistani establishment is known for siphoning information.





Because Taliban Movement resulted from the blowback of Pakistani terrorist policy. India has never been shown to deal in terrorism by any independently verified source. Key word INDEPENTLY verified not Pakistani Nationalist babble.


The video you showed is most likely staged, because everyone knows Pakistan uses torture as policy. So if they actually caught someone it'd be a tortured response, and thus dubious. This person clearly hasn't been tortured, so this person is just taught to play a role.

See this is what happens when you deal in terrorism. everything produced by your Govt. becomes automatically suspect.





If this was true, you wouldn't have Baluch Nationalists and TTP rising up again. The video has nothing to do with my remark, You're on a tangent.

India has never been shown to deal in terrorism by any independently verified source. Key word INDEPENTLY verified not Pakistani Nationalist babble.

You must be having a session of those Afghan hash . Read some history lessons . who supported the Tamil tigers in their civil wars against the Srilankan government for 30 years ? Manmohan singh accepted in Sharm el sheikh in 2009 that they supported Baloch Rebels . Its a tit for tat policy of supporting insurgencies in each others countries .

If this was true, you wouldn't have Baluch Nationalists and TTP rising up again. The video has nothing to do with my remark, You're on a tangent.

CIA has the most funds of any spy agency in the world and still American policies have backfired around the world . You cannot have all decisions go your way .

[Pakistan]

This is basically you right now.

You can make an argument when you come back from the west . When was the last time you were in Afghanistan ? or like other Afghans you are even happy living in camps abroad ?

[khushal]

Pakistan is not moving towards a failed state, it was never not a failed state. It was created to be a failed state. Its people live in a shythole while its fat military generals take all the resources for themselves.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Pakistan is not moving towards a failed state, it was never not a failed state. It was created to be a failed state. Its people live in a shythole while its fat military generals take all the resources for themselves.

I can't argue with that.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

You can make an argument when you come back from the west . When was the last time you were in Afghanistan ? or like other Afghans you are even happy living in camps abroad ?

So the way to respond to being called out for irrelevant diversion tactic is to compound it with another irrelevant diversion tactic. Your obfuscation strategy won't work here.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

You must be having a session of those Afghan hash . Read some history lessons . who supported the Tamil tigers in their civil wars against the Srilankan government for 30 years ? Manmohan singh accepted in Sharm el sheikh in 2009 that they supported Baloch Rebels . Its a tit for tat policy of supporting insurgencies in each others countries .

You first started with Tamil Tigers, none of which shows India supports their terrorism tactics. Then did a Bait and Switch about Baloch rebels .....who are not terrorists and don't perform terrorist tactics against civilians.

Fail.

CIA has the most funds of any spy agency in the world and still American policies have backfired around the world . You cannot have all decisions go your way .

Tu Quoque Fallacy.

Logical Fallacy: Tu Quoque

[toughpashtun]

Again this is just rationalization. You're making assumptions based on Nationalist ideology and not strategic realities. Pakistan lost more military personel to TTP than U.S. did to Taliban. The TTP are picking up momentum again, Zarb-e-Azab failed.

Also if Pakistan were to get in Afghanistan, so will India, Pakistan doesn't want that because then India will start backing TTP, Russia will back Afghan Taliban, who will bite Pakistan's hand, because they will no longer be relevant as benefactors with Russian money, India will send military forces. and this could lead to fragmentation of Pakistan ....Pakistan doesn't want that.

You know this already. We don't want 30-40 Pakistan troops killed now do we?

My response to you was based on facts and not nationalistic ideology.Any unbiased individual would be able to comprehend that by reading what I wrote.

To be specific , Zarb e Azb did not fail. The objective was to clear North Waziristan of the TTP and its allies , and that goal was achieved.
Terror networks in Pakistan also exist in Punjab and other urban areas,and intelligence based operations (IBOs) are being carried out to apprehend these terrorists and their facilitators.

If by TTP picking up momentum you mean that how they have recently carried out attacks such as Lahore,Sehwan etc , then you need a lesson on military tactics,strategy and intelligence.

My friend , to carry out such attacks that you are referring to , does not in any way mean that TTP is growing stronger.
All that can be said is that , currently TTP has safe havens in Afghanistan where they enjoy the support of NDS and RAW , and they manage to strike targets in Pakistan from time to time.

You mentioned how Pakistan has lost more men to TTP than U.S has lost to Afg Taliban.It would be a fairer comparison if we compared the casualties in the Afghan army to those of Pakistan army , because currently it is the Afghan army that has been in the front line fighting Afg Taliban.The US and NATO are for support mainly.And then it is clear that the Afghan army has had much more deaths than Pakistan army.

Plus Pakistan did achieve their objective of clearing the areas of TTP , whereas Afghan army has not been that successful.

Keep in mind that it is not that hard a task for Pakistan to send in special forces to target TTP hideouts , or for that matter to use artillery strikes (like they have done in the recent past) , because of being a neighbouring country.
For India to send in its troops is a different story because they do not share a border with Afghanistan.

[Adam]

Keep in mind that it is not that hard a task for Pakistan to send in special forces to target TTP hideouts , or for that matter to use artillery strikes (like they have done in the recent past) , because of being a neighbouring country.
For India to send in its troops is a different story because they do not share a border with Afghanistan.

So what's stopping them? Sending in special forces (or even air strikes) would be more effective than artillery, could it be its not as simple as you claim

[Pakistan]

You first started with Tamil Tigers, none of which shows India supports their terrorism tactics. Then did a Bait and Switch about Baloch rebels .....who are not terrorists and don't perform terrorist tactics against civilians.

Fail.




Tu Quoque Fallacy.

Logical Fallacy: Tu Quoque

you need a history lesson .

Indira Gandhi helped train Tamil rebels, and reaped whirlwind

In return PAF send in their fighter pilots to help Srilanka .

Pakistan ‘guiding’ Sri Lanka’s war | Tamil Guardian

[Pakistan]

So what's stopping them? Sending in special forces (or even air strikes) would be more effective than artillery, could it be its not as simple as you claim

PAF carried out airstrikes inside Afghan territory after the sehwan blast . Not only the airstrikes were carried out but your media kept on saying how Pakistan army was carrying out operations in kunar without anybody's permission .

[Adam]

PAF carried out airstrikes inside Afghan territory after the sehwan blast . Not only the airstrikes were carried out but your media kept on saying how Pakistan army was carrying out operations in kunar without anybody's permission .

A single retaliatory airstrike has about as much usefulness as Trumps bombing of Shayrat Airbase, 59 tomahawks and the base was up and running the next day. It's done solely for the public so the army can show they're actually doing something.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

you need a history lesson .

Indira Gandhi helped train Tamil rebels, and reaped whirlwind

In return PAF send in their fighter pilots to help Srilanka .

Pakistan ‘guiding’ Sri Lanka’s war | Tamil Guardian

it says it supported Tamil Rebels, this is not the exact same as supporting Tamil Tigers specifically, or trained them to do terrorist acts, false equivalence.


Fail.


False equivalence - Wikipedia


are you sure you're doing a Master's and went to a reputed university? Your argumentation is very sloppy and amateurish; not consistent with someone that was eduated at a reputed insitution.

[Pakistan]

it says it supported Tamil Rebels, this is not the exact same as supporting Tamil Tigers specifically, or trained them to do terrorist acts, false equivalence.


Fail.


False equivalence - Wikipedia


are you sure you're doing a Master's and went to a reputed university? Your argumentation is very sloppy and amateurish; not consistent with someone that was eduated at a reputed insitution.

Are you sure you are not brain dead like other Afghans or arguing just for the heck of it ? That is like saying Saudi's are just giving Extremists some financial help and not telling them to carry out attacks . If you support a terrorist organisation that is at war with a government since 30 years what do you expect them to do with that money ? Make chicken Karahi ?

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