Pakistan moving towards a failed state?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Nukes plus we have a large military that is battle hardened due to the war we fought against the terrorists in our country since ten years or so. Our military training is of a high standard too. Last but not the least, we have a large population which can be useful in time of war if they are armed and militias be formed.

You lost more Soldiers fighting against Taliban than you did against India.

[toughpashtun]

You lost more Soldiers fighting against Taliban than you did against India.

I'm afraid not.
The total number of soldiers lost fighting against India in 1948,1965,1971 wars plus Siachen(1980s onwards ) and Kargil War(1999) exceeds the number of soldiers killed fighting militants 2004 onwards.
A significant percentage of the total security personel killed in the War against terrorism includes police, which is not included as part of the armed forces.

Also , the Pakistan army has rooted out TTP from the tribal areas and Swat/Dir.

That is a feat which the U.S/Nato and Afghan army could not achieve in Afghanistan with regards to Afghan Taliban.

[Pakistan]

You lost more Soldiers fighting against Taliban than you did against India.

Fatalities in Terrorist Violence in Pakistan 2003-2017

Civilians 22 k
Security Personnel 6K

Most of the losses are from Police or FC so no your statement is wrong . PA is sitting comfortably till Tirrah as we speak which explains the Sharp Decline in causalities from 2014 . 2017 is on Track to be the safest year since 2004 when it all started .

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I'm afraid not.
The total number of soldiers lost fighting against India in 1948,1965,1971 wars plus Siachen(1980s onwards ) and Kargil War(1999) exceeds the number of soldiers killed fighting militants 2004 onwards.
A significant percentage of the total security personel killed in the War against terrorism includes police, which is not included as part of the armed forces.

Also , the Pakistan army has rooted out TTP from the tribal areas and Swat/Dir.

That is a feat which the U.S/Nato and Afghan army could not achieve in Afghanistan with regards to Afghan Taliban.

The Pakistani Taliban are still active and just recently killed scores of people. The TTP are just doing asymmetric warfare as the Taliban in Afghanistan did. Originally they said they rooted out Taliban too, remember? Then they came back. The TTP are making a come back as well the same way.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Fatalities in Terrorist Violence in Pakistan 2003-2017

Civilians 22 k
Security Personnel 6K

Most of the losses are from Police or FC so no your statement is wrong . PA is sitting comfortably till Tirrah as we speak which explains the Sharp Decline in causalities from 2014 . 2017 is on Track to be the safest year since 2004 when it all started .

This is just rationalization really.

Claiming 2017 is the safest year isn't saying much since just last month, around 120 people killed related to TTP activiities. That's a LOT of lives lost considering the running fake narrative is that you "broke the TTP's back". If that wasn't being claimed, that's another story. Safest, doesn't mean "safe"; even this claim is dubious, we just entered April. Comparative statements like mean nothing without context.

[toughpashtun]

The Pakistani Taliban are still active and just recently killed scores of people. The TTP are just doing asymmetric warfare as the Taliban in Afghanistan did. Originally they said they rooted out Taliban too, remember? Then they came back. The TTP are making a come back as well the same way.

The TTP do not hold any ground nor have any presence inside Pakistan.They have their sanctuaries in Afghanistan where they fled following military ops in Pakistan.
They manage to infiltrate across the border and carry out attacks , but that does not mean that they were militarily successful.Rather , the truth is that the Pakistan Army cracked down on them with much success , and lost very few troops compared to the large number of militants killed and captured.
TTP making a comeback is only the dream of some who want instability in Pak , and practically far from reality.

The situation in Afghanistan is different.When the Coalition forces backed by Northern Alliance first arrived in 2001 , the Taliban dispersed without any resistance.For a few years , the Taliban did put up much of a fight.They gradually picked up their insurgency and were successful to the extent that today they actually control large areas in Afghanistan where the Nato and Afghan army has no hold at all.

[Pakistan]

This is just rationalization really.

Claiming 2017 is the safest year isn't saying much since just last month, around 120 people killed related to TTP activiities. That's a LOT of lives lost considering the running fake narrative is that you "broke the TTP's back". If that wasn't being claimed, that's another story. Safest, doesn't mean "safe"; even this claim is dubious, we just entered April. Comparative statements like mean nothing without context.

We are not claiming anything the world is recognising that. Qatar has asked our help for their Fifa world cup , European countries are coming here and getting trained to tackle terrorism . Raheel Sharif is elected as the head of Islamic military alliance because of him spanking TTP's ass .

Army chief becomes first Asian to receive Brazil's coveted 'Order of Merit' award - The Express Tribune

Army chief General Raheel Sharif was honoured on Wednesday with Brazil’s coveted “Order of Merit” award.

“COAS was awarded Brazil’s coveted Award “Order of Merit” in a special ceremony in recognition of his leadership for successful fight against multiple threats,” DG ISPR Lt-Gen Asim Bajwa said on Twitter.


“Gen Raheel is the first Asian to have been honoured with this coveted award,” Bajwa added.


COAS honoured for fighting terror, regional peace in Ankara | Pakistan | thenews.com.pk

ANKARA: Pakistan’s Army Chief General Raheel Sharif on Monday conferred with the ‘Turkish Legend of Merit’ award for his services for regional peace and courageously handling the menace of terrorism.

In messages shared on social media, DG Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Lieutenant General Asim Bajwa said the Chief of the Army Staff (COAS) was honoured with the Turkish award also for his ‘clarity in direction & sense of purpose in leading Pak Army and fighting barbarian terrorists successfully in an exemplary way’.

The amount of respect he gets worldwide and the protocol he receives is amazing . Again these things are way out of your league so don't fret over it .

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

We are not claiming anything the world is recognising that. Qatar has asked our help for their Fifa world cup , European countries are coming here and getting trained to tackle terrorism . Raheel Sharif is elected as the head of Islamic military alliance because of him spanking TTP's ass .

Army chief becomes first Asian to receive Brazil's coveted 'Order of Merit' award - The Express Tribune

Army chief General Raheel Sharif was honoured on Wednesday with Brazil’s coveted “Order of Merit” award.

“COAS was awarded Brazil’s coveted Award “Order of Merit” in a special ceremony in recognition of his leadership for successful fight against multiple threats,” DG ISPR Lt-Gen Asim Bajwa said on Twitter.


“Gen Raheel is the first Asian to have been honoured with this coveted award,” Bajwa added.


COAS honoured for fighting terror, regional peace in Ankara | Pakistan | thenews.com.pk

ANKARA: Pakistan’s Army Chief General Raheel Sharif on Monday conferred with the ‘Turkish Legend of Merit’ award for his services for regional peace and courageously handling the menace of terrorism.

In messages shared on social media, DG Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Lieutenant General Asim Bajwa said the Chief of the Army Staff (COAS) was honoured with the Turkish award also for his ‘clarity in direction & sense of purpose in leading Pak Army and fighting barbarian terrorists successfully in an exemplary way’.

The amount of respect he gets worldwide and the protocol he receives is amazing . Again these things are way out of your league so don't fret over it .

But ALL this was before TTP started slaughtering scores of people,

See this is exactly what I mean by the Pakistani establishment brainwashing its cyber-drones into some sort of fantasy world

Someone from Brazil isn't changing that in a month a TTP went and slaughtered a bunch of people. Denial is denial.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

The TTP do not hold any ground nor have any presence inside Pakistan.They have their sanctuaries in Afghanistan where they fled following military ops in Pakistan.
They manage to infiltrate across the border and carry out attacks , but that does not mean that they were militarily successful.Rather , the truth is that the Pakistan Army cracked down on them with much success , and lost very few troops compared to the large number of militants killed and captured.
TTP making a comeback is only the dream of some who want instability in Pak , and practically far from reality.

The situation in Afghanistan is different.When the Coalition forces backed by Northern Alliance first arrived in 2001 , the Taliban dispersed without any resistance.For a few years , the Taliban did put up much of a fight.They gradually picked up their insurgency and were successful to the extent that today they actually control large areas in Afghanistan where the Nato and Afghan army has no hold at all.

Remember when Taliban insurgency started up again, they didn't hold any ground either. Situation isn't that much different, Taliban got bombed with air power, they didn't have air power to resist. The TTP are more battle hardened now, they're picking up momentum and this is years after Zarb-e-Azab, what does that mean? It means so called Zarb-e-Azab was not effectibve so let's not rationalize ....these are just lies to make sleeping easier at night.

It's going to get horrible in Palkistan; I don't support Taliban type people BUT they believe in their cause and that's what makes them resilient.

[toughpashtun]

Remember when Taliban insurgency started up again, they didn't hold any ground either. Situation isn't that much different, Taliban got bombed with air power, they didn't have air power to resist. The TTP are more battle hardened now, they're picking up momentum and this is years after Zarb-e-Azab, what does that mean? It means so called Zarb-e-Azab was not effectibve so let's not rationalize ....these are just lies to make sleeping easier at night.

It's going to get horrible in Palkistan; I don't support Taliban type people BUT they believe in their cause and that's what makes them resilient.

There is no comparison between the situations in Afg and Pak.
The way in which Pak army has secured these areas in KPK and FATA, and established their hold , leaves little to no chance for TTP to return and establish themselves. The sealing of the border has also started , and once that is complete , cross border infiltration will be reduced too.
In the meanwhile , all the TTP can do is send suicide bombers and carry out such attacks.That I am not denying , because stopping that is another task.
But nobody should have any dreams about TTP getting back their strongholds in Pak.
Also I will add that , Pakistani forces carried out shelling of TTP camps in Nangarhar and Kunar(I think) after the recent wave of terrorism.
This shows that Pak is now ready to take the war to Afg soil if terror attacks continue.
So if Allah Maka, the situation deteriorates in future then might be that you see Pakistani boots on Afg territory carrying out special ops type missions.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

There is no comparison between the situations in Afg and Pak.
The way in which Pak army has secured these areas in KPK and FATA, and established their hold , leaves little to no chance for TTP to return and establish themselves. The sealing of the border has also started , and once that is complete , cross border infiltration will be reduced too.
In the meanwhile , all the TTP can do is send suicide bombers and carry out such attacks.That I am not denying , because stopping that is another task.
But nobody should have any dreams about TTP getting back their strongholds in Pak.
Also I will add that , Pakistani forces carried out shelling of TTP camps in Nangarhar and Kunar(I think) after the recent wave of terrorism.
This shows that Pak is now ready to take the war to Afg soil if terror attacks continue.
So if Allah Maka, the situation deteriorates in future then might be that you see Pakistani boots on Afg territory carrying out special ops type missions.

Again this is just rationalization. You're making assumptions based on Nationalist ideology and not strategic realities. Pakistan lost more military personel to TTP than U.S. did to Taliban. The TTP are picking up momentum again, Zarb-e-Azab failed.

Also if Pakistan were to get in Afghanistan, so will India, Pakistan doesn't want that because then India will start backing TTP, Russia will back Afghan Taliban, who will bite Pakistan's hand, because they will no longer be relevant as benefactors with Russian money, India will send military forces. and this could lead to fragmentation of Pakistan ....Pakistan doesn't want that.

You know this already. We don't want 30-40 Pakistan troops killed now do we?

[Pakistan]

But ALL this was before TTP started slaughtering scores of people,

See this is exactly what I mean by the Pakistani establishment brainwashing its cyber-drones into some sort of fantasy world

Someone from Brazil isn't changing that in a month a TTP went and slaughtered a bunch of people. Denial is denial.

For you to have opinion's first of all have the courage to come back to your country . As of now you don't give a rats ass if Afghanistan dissapear's off the map or is eaten alive by Pakistan or Iran . Have the courage to talk this nonsense infront of Pakistani's or Iranian's face to face who treat you as slaves .

You are obviously rattled by the amount of respect or how highly revered Pakistan is around the world as a regional power . Just a few examples





Afghan's ego is very similar to North Korean where nobody gives a **** about them but in their own little fantasy world they are the kings . As for TTP they have been flushed out . PAF just carried out airstrikes on your soil and will keep on doing so . Brace yourself

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Afghan's ego is very similar to North Korean where nobody gives a **** about them but in their own little fantasy world they are the kings .

You joined this forum and even created numerous screen names to defend Pakistan and redeem your wounded self esteem because of stuff you heard Afghans say on the internet. don't say one thing when you made your motives know. beshak sona chinji sta pa kunaki natsi kana?

As for TTP they have been flushed out .

Lying to yourself won't make problems go away.

PAF just carried out airstrikes on your soil and will keep on doing so . Brace yourself

I'm not a nationalist, But you'll just get India and Russia involved, and we saw what happened when that happened last time *cough cough" Bangladesh *cough cough*

[Pakistan]

Again this is just rationalization. You're making assumptions based on Nationalist ideology and not strategic realities. Pakistan lost more military personel to TTP than U.S. did to Taliban. The TTP are picking up momentum again, Zarb-e-Azab failed.

Also if Pakistan were to get in Afghanistan, so will India, Pakistan doesn't want that because then India will start backing TTP, Russia will back Afghan Taliban, who will bite Pakistan's hand, because they will no longer be relevant as benefactors with Russian money, India will send military forces. and this could lead to fragmentation of Pakistan ....Pakistan doesn't want that.

You know this already. We don't want 30-40 Pakistan troops killed now do we?

Again this is just rationalization. You're making assumptions based on Nationalist ideology and not strategic realities. Pakistan lost more military personel to TTP than U.S. did to Taliban. The TTP are picking up momentum again, Zarb-e-Azab failed.

Keep on changing your statements about '' Pakistan lost more military personnel to Taliban than India '' to '' Pakistan lost more military personnel than US did to Taliban '' when countered with Facts . The US is not able to defeat them because of the support we give Taliban . There is nothing you or US can do about it . Pakistan will do what it sees best for itself .

Also if Pakistan were to get in Afghanistan, so will India, Pakistan doesn't want that because then India will start backing TTP

What makes you think they don't already ? They are facing a big revolt in Kashmir and trying to get level at us .



India will send military forces. and this could lead to fragmentation of Pakistan

When it comes to Proxy wars and mind games we are a step ahead according to their ex raw chief .

[Pakistan]

You joined this forum and even created numerous screen names to defend Pakistan and redeem your wounded self esteem because of stuff you heard Afghans say on the internet. don't say one thing when you made your motives know. beshak sona chinji sta pa kunaki natsi kana?



Lying to yourself won't make problems go away.



I'm not a nationalist, But you'll just get India and Russia involved, and we saw what happened when that happened last time *cough cough" Bangladesh *cough cough*

Any country faced with 1971 consequences would have lost . Its not ironic that the other 3 wars (1947 , 65 , 99 ) which did not involve Bangladesh ended in Stalemates for both countries . We all know how much guts your indian friends have . Post 2002 they had their soldiers on the border and ended up killing their own soldiers (800 of them ) . After the mumbai attacks they threatened attacks only to be told by the Air chief that their Planes will be shot down by PAF . Post Urhi attack in 2016 they did the same randi rona about attacking only to face the reality about their incapabilities when it comes to Pakistan . Any sight of Pakistani F-16's flying in the air gets them **** scared and their media goes into a meltdown . They even accused us of Pigeon spying on them

India seizes Pakistani 'spy pigeon' caught carrying a note threatening Narendra Modi | Daily Mail Online

Enlighten yourself .

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