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[Peshawer_222]

Let's not hide behind "feel good" rhetoric. The "18th largest" middle class loses meaning when you factor in what's deemed middle class.

World Population by Income | Pew Research Center



10.01 is minimum wage in America LOL



Need I remind you; you came to us out of vexation over what people say here, NOT the other way around., Even in your time here, you've had to back peddle several times (within this thread even) which suggests an ebbing away at this masquerade of complacency.

Most Pakistani posters come here out of sheer stupidity that is written around . " Afghanistan will become superpower again and rule Pakistan " " Afghanistan> Pakistan because we got real history " "We better then them because we dont have KFC " . The retard level is amazing here , makes you wonder about the mental state of Afghan posters when they post such things .

Nice try with the photo but thats Outskirts of Islamabad near Rawalpindi .

What Will it Take to Realize Pakistan’s Potential?

Our middle class ranges from 40 million - 70 million. Asian development bank called it one of the fastest growing in Asia.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2010/07/19/world/asia/19taxes.html

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A security guard standing at the entrance of a Mercedes-Benz dealer in Islamabad.
KUNI TAKAHASHI FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES
By SABRINA TAVERNISE
JULY 18, 2010
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Much of Pakistan’s capital city looks like a rich Los Angeles suburb. Shiny sport utility vehicles purr down gated driveways. Elegant multistory homes are tended by servants. Laundry is never hung out to dry.



The absurdity of Islamabad

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The absurdity of Islamabad


Islamabad doesn’t feel like Pakistan – or anywhere else, for that matter. It’s a brand new city, only about 50 years old, and it looks more like a leafy, prosperous, introverted suburb than a capital. The numerous government buildings, NGO headquarters and large expensive houses are laid out in numbered rectangular sectors, each with its own market (this doesn’t necessarily mean a market in the traditional sense – most of the markets here are clusters of well-appointed cafes and restaurants, overpriced shops, and the odd supermarket), linked by broad, leafy avenues.


The city that has gone the most transformation is Lahore though . Will be the first city in Pakistan to have 27 KM orange train line when completed next year

[Samandri]

Samandri isn't exactly the smartest of guys is he ? One day he claims am hindkowan , another day he makes me punjabi , the next day i am hindu and tommorow he will claim am an alien from outer space . .

Why you feel offended when i call you Punjabi or Punjabized soul? . You are a Dalal of Punjab, and a Punjabi by talk and attitude. . marwat thinks you may be even a Hindkowan of Nowshera by blood and he is probably spot on. If you are not looking down on Punjabis, and consider them your countrymen and brothers, then you should not feel offended if i call you a Punjabi or Punjabized soul. You are constantly protesting that that i am calling you a Punjabi, you are obviously troubled by it.

It should not bother you if some one refuse to acknowledge your Pashtun identity as according to you identifying with ethnic identity and keeping it above Pakistan is "haraam". Moreover you are Pakistani nationalist and when you declare yourself that, you are supposed to discard any affiliation with your Pashtun identity . Zahid Hamid, the iconic figure of Pakistani nationalists , never associate himself with his Bihari identity (His father was Bihari from Karachi, mother a Kashmiri)

[Peshawer_222]

Why you feel offended when i call you Punjabi or Punjabized soul? . You are a Dalal of Punjab, and a Punjabi by mannerism and talk. . marwat thinks you may be even a Hindkowan of Nowshera by blood and he is probably spot on. If you are not looking down on Punjabis, and consider them your countrymen and brothers, then you should not feel offended if i call you a Punjabi or Punjabized soul. You mention it again and again that that i am calling you a Punjabi, you are obviously troubled by it.

It should not bother you if some one refuse to acknowledge your Pashtun identity as according to you identifying with ethnic identity and keeping it above Pakistan is "haraam". Moreover you are Pakistani nationalist and when you declare yourself that, you are supposed to discard any affiliation with your Pashtun identity . Zahid Hamid, the iconic figure of Pakistani nationalists , never identify himself as a Bihari (His father was Bihari from Karachi, mother a Kashmiri)

I dont feel offended by it . Your basics are wrong in the first place . Pakistan celebrates being a diverse country of different cultures and languages . Idenitfying with ethnicity is fine as long as its not above Pakistan . The Jinnah quote you keep on mentioning again and again is not what you interpret it . It means there should be unity amongst all ethnicities and a common goal in the best interests of Pakistan . You take it literally word to word like the dumb person you are . Well if zaid hamid identified himself as bihari its okay as far as its not above being a Pakistani . You confuse the two and make a mess of it .

Its the same with Malaysia. Tamils , Chinese and Malay live side by side with a slogan of ' Satu Malaysia ' which means ' One Malaysia ' despite having different cultures. They celebrate the different cultures but never put it above being a Malaysian . But that doesnt mean you are not a tamil or Malay it just means one is more important than the other . Its the same for Pakistan you can celebrate being any ethnicity you want as far as its not above being a Pakistani. Never been to a cultural day ever in your school ? College ? Nowhere is it mentioned here that you have to stop recognizing your ethnicity . Only you make a mess of it the rest are quite clear .

Pakistani nationalism - Wikipedia

As for me being a Hindkowan or Punjabi , Kid I belong from a Pashtun Political/Military family . If i told you my Family's name you will probably know who they are because many of them have been MP's , MNA's and Army officers which you will recognize easily . I am a nationalist because my Great Grand father was in the original Muslim league of 1940's . So it kind of Runs in the family . Go outside Peshawar and call a Pakistani pashtun Afghanay or Kabulay you will probably get the beating of your life .

Meanwhile you need to figure out your identity crisis . You are acting like a ***** that has many customers and cant seem to decide which one to visit first or be loyal too . When i tell you to return your forged ID and Passport you ignore that part .

[Samandri]

As for me being a Hindkowan or Punjabi , Kid I belong from a Pashtun Political/Military family . If i told you my Family's name you will probably know who they are because many of them have been MP's , MNA's and Army officers which you will recognize easily . I am a nationalist because my Great Grand father was in the original Muslim league of 1940's . So it kind of Runs in the family . Go outside Peshawar and call a Pakistani pashtun Afghanay or Kabulay you will probably get the beating of your life .

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Why you expect me to be able to recognize some Hindko fauji family or fauji officer from Nowshera?.............you originally claimed to be from Peshawar but when i asked you some deep details about Peshawar, you made a new claim that you are actually from Nowshera. Punjabi is a state of mind so you are a Punjabi even if you are a Hindki from Nowshera. You are from a military family so your family member must have pulled his partoog down and his rectum probed by index finger of other, which is the compulsory procedure during selection in army.

Your Hindko (or Punjabi , its same thing) grandfathers served British under the flag of Muslim league.......all the Muslim Leaguei leaders in this region were big "palashti", boot-lickers, 'chamchay', and "namak-khwar" of Angraiz. For example famous Muslim leagui leader from Swabi , Sahibzada Abdul Qayyum Khan, represented the British side when Durand line treaty was signed in 1893. You should be rather ashamed of the beghairati of your grandfathers.

[Samandri]

[Peshawer_222]

Why you expect me to be able to recognize some Hindko fauji family or fauji officer from Nowshera?.............you originally claimed to be from Peshawar but when i asked you some deep details about Peshawar, you made a new claim that you are actually from Nowshera. Punjabi is a state of mind so you are a Punjabi even if you are a Hindki from Nowshera. You are from a military family so your family member must have pulled his partoog down and his rectum probed by index finger of other, which is the compulsory procedure during selection in army.

Your Hindko (or Punjabi , its same thing) grandfathers served British under the flag of Muslim league.......all the Muslim Leaguei leaders in this region were big "palashti", boot-lickers, 'chamchay', and "namak-khwar" of Angraiz. For example famous Muslim leagui leader from Swabi , Sahibzada Abdul Qayyum Khan, represented the British side when Durand line treaty was signed in 1893. You should be rather ashamed of the beghairati of your grandfathers.

I never claimed to be from Peshawar anywhere . Your name is Samandri doesnt mean you live beside a river dumbass. Well i can send a few army men to your no good area and pull your partug down if thats what you want because you always seem to be obsessed with pulling it down . But then you are probably not even half a man .

Namak harams cannot call others namak kwar . You eat and sleep inside Pakistan and yet have the audacity to talk **** . You were probably a TTP sympathizer and got ****ed over really bad by some army guy and now you are butt hurt all over the internet . I dont know about palishi but my grandfathers and family did have people like you as servants cleaning our houses

[Samandri]

I never claimed to be from Peshawar anywhere . Your name is Samandri doesnt mean you live beside a river dumbass. Well i can send a few army men to your no good area and pull your partug down if thats what you want because you always seem to be obsessed with pulling it down . But then you are probably not even half a man .

Its a standard procedure, their anuses are probed with index fingers and also their scrotums are fondled in the selection process, and for that all of the boys/jawans in the hall are asked to pull their partoog down and show their 'kwana'. Your father or some other family member must have done that for the sake of the country.

There are researches which says that homosexual acts are common in army barraks

You were probably a TTP sympathizer and got ****ed over really bad by some army guy and now you are butt hurt all over the internet .

Taliban were/are assets of Pakistan army

I dont know about palishi but my grandfathers and family did have people like you as servants cleaning our houses

Your grandfather , and his father before him, were servants of Angraiz. Your grandfather curried favour with the Angraiz by doing chaplosi and doing any thing , even offering his 'kwana' to them. Desi and indigenous sipahis in British Indian army used to send their wives to warm the beds of their angraiz superiors, to curry the favours, to be in the good books. Your forefathers must have done the same.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Most Pakistani posters come here out of sheer stupidity ........

if you're so secure of your merits, then why do you care what people in some other forum say? Your responses no matter how you word them, suggest a deep seated inadequacy. In reality you're in conflict with yourself more than anyone else.

Nice try with the photo but thats Outskirts of Islamabad near Rawalpindi

You set the criteria of Islamabad, now you're changing goal posts. What did I tell you about back peddling and the ebbing away of your complacency?

What Will it Take to Realize Pakistan’s Potential?

Our middle class ranges from 40 million - 70 million. Asian development bank called it one of the fastest growing in Asia.

That contradicts your earlier citation here.

Pakistan has 18th largest ‘middle class’ in the world: report - The Express Tribune

Here it claims 5.7%, or about 10 million people are Pakistan's middle class, this highlights exactly what I meant earlier; you look for headlines, usually from Pakistani Nationalist sources, to feel better. But such wildly varying data suggests it's mainly nonsense.

A security guard standing at the entrance of a Mercedes-Benz dealer in Islamabad.
KUNI TAKAHASHI FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES
By SABRINA TAVERNISE
JULY 18, 2010
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Much of Pakistan’s capital city looks like a rich Los Angeles suburb. Shiny sport utility vehicles purr down gated driveways. Elegant multistory homes are tended by servants. Laundry is never hung out to dry.

Sure the corrupt exploiting the wealth for their own luxury. that 99% do not enjoy.....next.

The absurdity of Islamabad

Platitudes; if you have to try THIS hard to convince people of Pakistan's merits and prosperties, then it must mean it's nonsense.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I never claimed to be from Peshawar anywhere . Your name is Samandri doesnt mean you live beside a river dumbass. Well i can send a few army men to your no good area and pull your partug down if thats what you want because you always seem to be obsessed with pulling it down . But then you are probably not even half a man .

The fact you feel you have the power and resources to act on such veiled threats tells us you''re here because you're apart of some organization that does cyber-engagement to salvage the frail sense of esteem of Pakistani institutions.

[Peshawer_222]

Its a standard procedure, their anuses are probed with index fingers and also their scrotums are fondled in the selection process, and for that all of the boys/jawans in the hall are asked to pull their partoog down and show their 'kwana'. Your father or some other family member must have done that for the sake of the country.

There are researches which says that homosexual acts are common in army barraks


Taliban were/are assets of Pakistan army


Your grandfather , and his father before him, were servants of Angraiz. Your grandfather curried favour with the Angraiz by doing chaplosi and doing any thing , even offering his 'kwana' to them. Desi and indigenous sipahis in British Indian army used to send their wives to warm the beds of their angraiz superiors, to curry the favours, to be in the good books. Your forefathers must have done the same.

What are you doing in angrez's country then ? Why dont you go back to your ghairatmand and loy Afghanistan ? What are you doing having Pakistani ID's ? Passport ? What exactly are you doing eating and ****ting on Pakistani land ? You are that beghairat kind that bites the hand that feeds it . Stop being such a ***** and have an identity for a change . Your sorry tiny ass is right now being saved by the same army and airforce otherwise you and your family would be having names like ram balram . Again I ask you what exactly are you doing living in the same land ? You are that beghairat kind that wants every benefit out of a land but wants to bite it too . You are probably some mochi with pentium 1 computer and a dariwaal tamaacha stuck in his shalwar naswar in his mouth and shouting pashtun slogans .

Spread your hate in Afghanistan , Pakistan is not a place for cockroaches/caveman like you .

[Elite Pakhtun]

You set the criteria of Islamabad, now you're changing goal posts. What did I tell you about back peddling and the ebbing away of your complacency?

He's correct... the pictures you posted were not at all representative of Islamabad. One of the pictures was of some slum (my guess is Christian slum), which you'd have to go out of your way to find. 2nd pic was outskirts.

The slum picture probably wasn't even representative of some village (unless you're talking rural sindh), let alone Islamabad.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

He's correct... the pictures you posted were not at all representative of Islamabad. One of the pictures was of some slum (my guess is Christian slum), which you'd have to go out of your way to find. 2nd pic was outskirts.

The slum picture probably wasn't even representative of some village (unless you're talking rural sindh), let alone Islamabad.

Go back to his post; he said you won't find a single donkey cart in Islamabad.

lol

[Peshawer_222]

if you're so secure of your merits, then why do you care what people in some other forum say? Your responses no matter how you word them, suggest a deep seated inadequacy. In reality you're in conflict with yourself more than anyone else.




You set the criteria of Islamabad, now you're changing goal posts. What did I tell you about back peddling and the ebbing away of your complacency?

What Will it Take to Realize Pakistan’s Potential?



That contradicts your earlier citation here.

Pakistan has 18th largest ‘middle class’ in the world: report - The Express Tribune

Here it claims 5.7%, or about 10 million people are Pakistan's middle class, this highlights exactly what I meant earlier; you look for headlines, usually from Pakistani Nationalist sources, to feel better. But such wildly varying data suggests it's mainly nonsense.





Sure the corrupt exploiting the wealth for their own luxury. that 99% do not enjoy.....next.






Platitudes; if you have to try THIS hard to convince people of Pakistan's merits and prosperties, then it must mean it's nonsense.

if you're so secure of your merits, then why do you care what people in some other forum say? Your responses no matter how you word them, suggest a deep seated inadequacy. In reality you're in conflict with yourself more than anyone else.

Forums are about interacting and getting to know each other's point of view . I don't know why are Afghans so insecure of Pakistani presence everywhere . There are people who promote Loy Afghanistan here , then there are some who promote Greater Tajikistan . Some are here only to write Anti - Pakistan stuff . Why do you guys have to feel threatened by a pro - Pakistan voice if he is doing the same as others ?


You set the criteria of Islamabad, now you're changing goal posts. What did I tell you about back peddling and the ebbing away of your complacency?

I did and those pictures are of outskirts or maybe in a village near Pindi . Islamabad has no slums . There was a slum a few months back and they bulldozed it . I can set the criterea for Karachi , Lahore , Peshawar , Pakistan too no Problem with that .


That contradicts your earlier citation here.

5.7 million are Adults not overall people . When you say 40 million Middle class , it includes people of all ages . For Example A middle class Family of 7 can have 2 Adults but rest of them would be kids , teenagers , infacts , old etc . 40 Million is the overall number . The figures are given by credit Swiss which is a reputable organization not a pakistani paper .


Sure the corrupt exploiting the wealth for their own luxury. that 99% do not enjoy.....next.

Again we one of the biggest middle classes in the world . Not every Billionaire in Pakistan is corrupt . There are Billionares like Maliz riaz who's Bahria towns (Housing societies ) put living in Dubai/Sharjah to shade . Middle class people live there and they are located in a few cities . Millions of poor are fed there . Google is your friend .

[Peshawer_222]

Go back to his post; he said you won't find a single donkey cart in Islamabad.

lol

Donkey carts/rickshaws/Big passenger buses are banned in Islamabad . That donkey cart is of outskirts . Their local administration CDA is one of the stringest in the world . They got into a fight with US embassy just because they cut down some trees .

Pakistan suspects US may be illegally cutting down trees in capital - The Express Tribune

The federal capital’s municipal body tasked with protecting the city’s beauty, Capital Development Authority (CDA), is investigating whether the US Embassy in Islamabad has been cutting down trees in the capital in a clear violation of the law.

“There is an active investigation into the matter, Ramazan Sajid, spokesperson for the CDA told The Washington Post. For many years, the planned expansion of the US Embassy has been controversial in Islamabad with the federal capital coming to be known as one of the world’s greenest cities.

[Elite Pakhtun]

Go back to his post; he said you won't find a single donkey cart in Islamabad.

lol

Also accurate. That doesn't look like Islamabad in the picture to begin with.