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    OP's comment: Regardless of how you feel about Erdogan, this is probably one of the most honorable and noble things he could do. Hats off to Erdogan.


    Erdogan: Syrian refugees could become Turkish citizens - News from Al Jazeera

    President says government will help Syrians by offering them the chance to acquire Turkish nationality.


    Turkey plays host to about 2.7 million Syrian refugees, according to UN data [AP]

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said that Syrian refugees living in Turkey could eventually be granted citizenship.

    "I want to announce some good news," Erdogan said late on Saturday at a dinner to break the Ramadan fast in Kilis province, on the Syrian border.

    "We are going to help our Syrian friends in offering them the chance, if they want it, to acquire Turkish nationality."

    The Interior Ministry will shortly announce how the citizenship procedure would work, Erdogan added.

    READ MORE: Plan to make Syrians citizens sparks hashtag war

    The president did not specify whether all of the 2.7 million Syrians that Turkey is hosting would be able to apply, and gave no details on eligibility criteria or how long the process would take.

    "We regard you as our brothers and sisters. You are not far from your homeland, but only from your homes and your land ... Turkey is also your homeland," Erdogan told a group of Syrian refugees in Kilis, a city hosting more than 120,000 refugees, which exceeds its population.

    Ankara has refused to grant refugee status to Syrians who have fled the devastating war across the border since 2011, referring to them as "guests".

    Only a small group have been granted work permits and residency.

    The hashtag #ÜlkemdeSuriyeliİstemiyorum (I don't want Syrians in my country) hit the worldwide list of trending topics on Twitter on Sunday, as Turkish social media users slammed Erdogan's plan.

    'Difficult to implement'

    Mustafa Akyol, a Turkish political analyst and columnist, told Al Jazeera that the government's plan was not easy to implement.

    " In humanitarian terms, it is a positive step. But it is not easy to make it exclusively easier for Syrians to gain citizenship. There are Georgians, Armenians and other foreigners who are in Turkey for economic and other reasons. It is not clear if they will be included in this scheme or not," he said.

    "Integration of a large amount of non-Turkish speakers who come from a different culture is not going to be easy and will bring large economic burden. I t might also encourage more people to try to enter Turkey, considering the volatile geography we live in."

    Akyol added that the opposition in Turkey might see the plan as a bid by Erdogan to "import voters" who out of gratitude would support the president and help him strengthen his grip on power.

    The country's open-door policy to Syrian refugees was initially a source of pride for the country.

    However, there have been reports that many refugees are not allowed to cross the border.

    Life is a struggle for most Syrians in Turkey, who mainly live off odd jobs that are often insufficient to feed and house a family.

    The country is also hosting about 300,000 Iraqis who have fled the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as ISIS).

    Syria has been in a civil war since 2011, when the government cracked down on pro-democracy protests.

    More than 250,000 people have been killed in the conflict and more than 10 million have been displaced, according to the UN. Around four million people have taken refuge in neighbouring countries.

    Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


    Originally posted by ذو الفقار
    don’t try to be smart.

  • #2
    Akyol is right. All these people will eventually vote for him.

    Few notes on Erdogan's refugee policy:

    - Most well educated Syrians in Turkey are offered jobs and permits to stay. Less educated and dependent types are left in a limbo forcing them to try to cross the sea and apply for asylum in Europe.

    - Erdogan used the surge of asylum seekers to force Europe to accept his demands. Back then, he didn't have much sympathy for Syrians.

    - Many Syrians have lived as beggars in streets of Turkey's cities eating off trash containers while Erdogan was hailed as a hero who is providing shelter for millions of refugees.

    - Erdogan exploits Syrian refugees just like Zia ul Haq exploited Afghan refugees in the 80's.
    Originally posted by Firdousi
    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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    • #3
      Noble gesture.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Golden View Post
        Noble gesture.
        While Turkey is giving citizenship to his Syrian brothers you Pakistanis are planning to kick out innocent Afghan refugees from their own land.

        You should learn how to treat your guests.
        "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
        I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

        -Ferdowsi.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
          While Turkey is giving citizenship to his Syrian brothers you Pakistanis are planning to kick out innocent Afghan refugees from their own land.

          You should learn how to treat your guests.
          We treat our guests well mashallah, that's why Afghans don't want to go back. But giving citizenship is very different thing. I'm sure Turks will not hand over citizenship to enemies, they will make sure only loyal Syrians get citizenship. In Pakistan also only loyal Afghans will get citizenship.
          Last edited by Golden; 07-04-2016, 03:31 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
            While Turkey is giving citizenship to his Syrian brothers you Pakistanis are planning to kick out innocent Afghan refugees from their own land.

            You should learn how to treat your guests.
            Majority of Afghans refugees are in land of their forefathers.
            ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
            نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

            چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
            نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

            سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
            بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

            چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
            يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

            سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
            په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

            ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
            اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
              OP's comment: Regardless of how you feel about Erdogan, this is probably one of the most honorable and noble things he could do. Hats off to Erdogan.


              Erdogan: Syrian refugees could become Turkish citizens - News from Al Jazeera
              Edrogan is a shrewd politician and this act has nothing to do with religion or any pretense to moral virtue. Demographic of Turkey is changing fast in favor of Kurd, educated Turks has stopped reproducing.


              http://www.ibtimes.com/kurdish-major...eration-705466
              ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
              نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

              چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
              نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

              سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
              بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

              چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
              يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

              سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
              په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

              ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
              اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Azmal View Post
                Majority of Afghans "refugees" are in land of their forefathers.
                See you said refugees which mean they have to leave one day unless granted citizenship.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Golden View Post
                  See you said refugees which mean they have to leave one day unless granted citizenship.
                  You didn't see the quotation?
                  ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                  نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                  چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                  نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                  سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                  بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                  چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                  يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                  سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                  په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                  ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                  اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Azmal View Post
                    You didn't see the quotation?
                    Unless these so called afghan land merge with Afghanistan till then they are Pakistanis and will need citizenship to live as citizens and not majars. Indian muhajir from Karachi can buy property, live etc in Peshawar but afghani muhajir can't unless he got CNIC by illegal means, you get it?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Azmal View Post
                      Edrogan is a shrewd politician and this act has nothing to do with religion or any pretense to moral virtue. Demographic of Turkey is changing fast in favor of Kurd, educated Turks has stopped reproducing.


                      http://www.ibtimes.com/kurdish-major...eration-705466
                      Whatever the case, he's helping Syrians, very few things happen simply out of blind generosity.

                      The fact that Turkey, not a major Oil Producing country (it produces Oil but it's not the largest part of their economy), not the wealthiest country, is willing to help and patriate Syrians, despite their own issues and woes, demonstrates noble intentions in and of itself.

                      Even Afghanistan only helped Pashtun tribes in Sarhad just for its own political agenda of greed for land. So This is Realpolitik.

                      Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                      Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                      don’t try to be smart.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                        Whatever the case, he's helping Syrians, very few things happen simply out of blind generosity.

                        The fact that Turkey, not a major Oil Producing country (it produces Oil but it's not the largest part of their economy), not the wealthiest country, is willing to help and patriate Syrians, despite their own issues and woes, demonstrates noble intentions in and of itself.

                        Even Afghanistan only helped Pashtun tribes in Sarhad just for its own political agenda of greed for land. So This is Realpolitik.
                        I give you Kabul playing politics with Sarhad tribes… however, Pashtun land and Pashtun people belongs to Afghanistan with historical record, we are not greedy we simply want what is rightfully ours.
                        ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                        نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                        چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                        نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                        سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                        بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                        چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                        يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                        سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                        په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                        ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                        اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Golden View Post
                          Unless these so called afghan land merge with Afghanistan till then they are Pakistanis and will need citizenship to live as citizens and not majars. Indian muhajir from Karachi can buy property, live etc in Peshawar but afghani muhajir can't unless he got CNIC by illegal means, you get it?
                          Pakistan was created based on two nation theory--so why are the Muslims of India are still called "Muhajjirs"?
                          ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                          نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                          چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                          نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                          سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                          بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                          چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                          يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                          سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                          په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                          ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                          اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Azmal View Post
                            I give you Kabul playing politics with Sarhad tribes… however, Pashtun land and Pashtun people belongs to Afghanistan with historical record, we are not greedy we simply want what is rightfully ours.
                            Brother, most of the lands of Pashtunkhwah were originally possessed by Hindkowans, we invaded and conquered and took it from them. It's not ours historically anymore than America belonged to Europeans historically. In my eyes it's land greed.

                            Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                            Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                            don’t try to be smart.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                              Brother, most of the lands of Pashtunkhwah were originally possessed by Hindkowans, we invaded and conquered and took it from them. It's not ours historically anymore than America belonged to Europeans historically. In my eyes it's land greed.
                              What are you talking about? With exception of Peshawar city and Swat which we conquer some 600-400 years ago..we been living in this land for over 2000 years.
                              ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                              نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                              چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                              نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                              سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                              بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                              چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                              يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                              سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                              په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                              ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                              اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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