Afghan and Pakistani border guards clash in Torkham

[Porus]

That is beside the point...this is what you claim "Btw: Sindhudesh movement is like lol. No one's heard of it since 1971."
The article I posted proves it otherwise, there are active and kicking, mind you even the Muhajir of Karachi wants to break from Pakistan.

You talk about Sindhis and Mohajirs as if they're a homogenous entity. That's what I'm getting at. I have Sindhi nationalist friends and they hurl abuses at Pakistan everyday, but unfortunately for you and them, they don't hold the views of the majority of their group.


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It is not about ethnic or language, it is about illegal occupation of our land and people. I repeat we simply want what is rightful ours!

Ahmad Shah didn't 'legally' occupy Herat and Badakhshan. See my point? Neither did Dost Mohammad Khan legally keep his control over these territories.

The hate of Hindu is what keeps Pakistan intact, you take out the hatred and there is no reason for Pakistan to exists. Lets have a referendum in Pashtunistan...this is what Afghanistan been asking even before creation of Pakistan. This is what Khan Abdul Wali khan writes in his book.

I'm all for it. Bring the referendum on. I think this would be a big slap to the Pak Military officers who think they can **** around with the resources of the Baloch and the goodwill of the Pathans.

” For their part the Khudai Khidmatgars decided that if the British were insistent on holding the plebiscite despite the general acceptance that NWFP would go to Pakistan, then following the same principle of self-determination the province should also have the freedom to a third option, of an in dependent Pukhtoonistan. Mountbatten, however, refused to include this alternative. The Khudai Khidmatgars then decided that since between the available two options the decision had already been taken and the referendum was there fore pointless they would boycott it” Any referendum is only meaningful if it gives a meaningful valid choice to the electorate. Here we are seeing that the demand of the most popular political party who had won an election and was in government in the state was ignored. It was solely being conducted to give the Muslim League a political credibility in NWFP. It was boycotted by a major political force. It was any thing but fair.

Give me a reference for this. I'm genuinely interested now that you've brought this up!

[Azmal]

You talk about Sindhis and Mohajirs as if they're a homogenous entity. That's what I'm getting at. I have Sindhi nationalist friends and they hurl abuses at Pakistan everyday, but unfortunately for you and them, they don't hold the views of the majority of their group.

You keep changing goal post...majority or not there are secessionist movement among all ethnic groups of Pakistan except the Punjabis who benefit the most from Pakistan--thanks to backstabbing of Bangles- -yet they got the last laugh with creation of Bangladeshi.

Ahmad Shah didn't 'legally' occupy Herat and Badakhshan. See my point? Neither did Dost Mohammad Khan legally keep his control over these territories.

Ahmad Shah was born in Herat, but that is beside the point we are talking about aspiration of people...imagine you been living in your house for centuries...a bullies comes and divide your house...when he leaves he gives half of your house to a new neighbor and the neighbor is surprise why you don't like it?

I'm all for it. Bring the referendum on. I think this would be a big slap to the Pak Military officers who think they can **** around with the resources of the Baloch and the goodwill of the Pathans.

Give me a reference for this. I'm genuinely interested now that you've brought this up!

Or a slap on my or other Afghans face who think otherwise...but it will be a good thing to have it...let's get this wound patch up and move on. The ******* British left behind Durand for non stop hatred and war between two countries.

Let me find the link...

[Azmal]

Here is the link.

History is Not a Farce: The NWFP Referendum | Pak Tea House

[Porus]

You keep changing goal post...majority or not there are secessionist movement among all ethnic groups of Pakistan except the Punjabis who benefit the most from Pakistan--thanks to backstabbing of Bangles- -yet they got the last laugh with creation of Bangladeshi.

Secessionist movements in very small numbers, yes. I have equally met Tajik nationalists. Do they represent the majority of Afghanistan? Highly doubt it.

Ahmad Shah was born in Herat, but that is beside the point we are talking about aspiration of people...imagine you been living in your house for centuries...a bullies comes and divide your house...when he leaves he gives half of your house to a new neighbor and the neighbor is surprise why you don't like it?

You have to look at the aspirations of the people who live on the side of the house you still claim today. Do the majority there want to be a part of the modern Afghan state? If they do, I'll support them.

Or a slap on my or other Afghans face who think otherwise...but it will be a good thing to have it...let's get this wound patch up and move on. The ******* British left behind Durand for a reason---always have a reason for hatred and war between two countries.

Let me find the link...

The British don't really control Pakistan my friend :D I'm sure they'd like to. Pakistan is just a state which hasn't evolved past the policies of the colonial raj. That's why its actions bear resemblance to what the British did in Afg.

P.S: I'll read your link tomorrow. It's quite late here.

[Golden]

I don't hate Hindus. I spit on the Pakistani establishment for building this narrative. My own ancestors were Hindus and Sikhs..

Busted again. How the **** were your ancestors sikhs? Doesn't make any historical sense yet you're expert on afghani farsis

[Golden]

You said Afghanistan backed yet when I ask for sources you go into your typical paki antics...it was Pakistan that fired after Afghans troops went in to stop the construction of wall...this is how the first Afghan border police was killed. In return Afghan force return fire and 20 of your troops were wounded and one Major killed. Keep in mind the fact that thanks to your Saheeb east of Durand is higher ground strategically and still the ragtag Afghan border police has give your Fuj a blood nose--including killing one of your officers.

Bloody nose lol

Pak, Afghan forces agree on ceasefire at Torkham border, wave white flags - World - DAWN.COM

Construction on Torkham gate is going at full speed, stop it if you can

[Azmal]

Secessionist movements in very small numbers, yes. I have equally met Tajik nationalists. Do they represent the majority of Afghanistan, highly doubt it.

who are you to talk about majority or not? Most of Pashtuns are being brainwashed using Islam as tool but unless we have a referendum no way to know. Can you name me some Tajik nationalist? Ismahil Pedram? I have never seen a single Tajik, Uzbak or Hazara leader calling for division of Afghanistan...as I have pointed out before even Ismahil Shia Pedram with his Irani wife is calling for Federal system not division. Indeed minorities in afghansitan had full time and resources to break Afghanistan in 90s or even 2001...as one of my political science teacher used to say...Afghanistan is a nation without a state and Pakistan is a military state without a nation.

You have to look the aspirations of the people who live on the side of the house you still claim today. Do the majority there want to be a part of the modern Afghan state? If they do, I'll support them.

Since 1942 Afghanistan and Pashtun nationalist been calling for a referendum...let the people decide.

The British don't really control Pakistan my friend :D I'm sure they'd like to. Pakistan is just a state which hasn't evolved past the policies of the colonial raj. That's why its actions bear resemblance to what the British did in Afg.

P.S: I'll read your link tomorrow. It's quite late here.

Yes it did, at least all the way to 60s... when Pakistani Air Marshal was A.W.B. McDonald (June 20, 1955 - July 22, 1957)…as it was indicated by Ali Jennah speech to Qabali Pakistan continues to follow British Raj forward policy regarding Afghanistan…specially the creation, encouragement and unleashing of dark forces of Jahaleens who burn school and smash progress using Islam as a tool...unfortunately for Pakistan these forces has turn into a Frankenstein.

[Azmal]

Bloody nose lol

Pak, Afghan forces agree on ceasefire at Torkham border, wave white flags - World - DAWN.COM

Construction on Torkham gate is going at full speed, stop it if you can

The idea was to build a wall not a gate...Afghan ambassador to Pakistan contradicts this Paki news.

Security Check Required


A Pakistani Major was killed and how many more wounded?

[Golden]

The idea was to build a wall not a gate...Afghan ambassador to Pakistan contradicts this Paki news.

Security Check Required


A Pakistani Major was killed and how many more wounded?

wall along the border? are you out of your mind?

[Azmal]

wall along the border? are you out of your mind?

Pakistan army told to plan fence and mines along Afghan border


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...an.afghanistan

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Pakistan army told to plan fence and mines along Afghan border


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...an.afghanistan

Fence is eventually planned but already due construction of check post every 2km throughout the border has decreased terrorist cross movements.

Balochistan side border with afghanistan has already secure with a big trench.

[Porus]

Busted again. How the **** were your ancestors sikhs? Doesn't make any historical sense yet you're expert on afghani farsis

Because I'm Punjabi

[Golden]

Because I'm Punjabi

hahaha lmao Now I have noticed you started to write pathan instead of pashtun lately, keep going which jatt ancestor of yours converted from hindusism>sikh>islam in span of 300 years? Considering sikh religion is only 300 years old.

[Golden]

Pakistan army told to plan fence and mines along Afghan border


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...an.afghanistan

Fence is on going project but wall? Pakistan doesn't have resources for wall. Mines? Unlikely as well.

[Porus]

hahaha lmao Now I have noticed you started to write pathan instead of pashtun lately, keep going which jatt ancestor of yours converted from hindusism>sikh>islam in span of 300 years? Considering sikh religion is only 300 years old.

Hindu Sapera caste from my grandfather's side, my grandmother is Saayi which was originally a Sikh caste in Gujrat which converted to Islam in the 20th Century.

What's your caste? Fake Sayyid? Khilji? Ghori? No wait, I bet you're gonna say your parents are originally Persians even though they can't speak a word of Farsi. lol