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    In international political arena aid is a strategic asset used by donors to achieve a specific political objective.

    Indian aid to Afghanistan is therefore a means to isolate Pakistan. Some may argue that accepting aid knowing the motive of the donor may be immoral. The truth is, in international relations nothing is based on morality.

    Every country, nation or community tries to serve its own interests by engaging with other entities. Afghanistan as a country has always played a subservient role in relationships with others. During the communist era, it served Soviet interests to detriment of Afghan nation. The Jihadi factions served American and Pakistani interests, again to our own detriment.

    During the Taliban era, Afghanistan was paralyzed and isolated. The parties who maintained political ties with Afghanistan (Pakistan & Arab countries) failed us by because yet again, Afghanistan was the lesser party in those relationships.

    In the last 15 years, the current regime in Kabul failed Afghanistan by engaging yet again in similar relationships with powerful entities. Foreign aid didn't contribute to long term sustainable growth of our economy and infrastructure.

    Our closest neighbors, Iran and Pakistan have always pursued policies harmful to our interests. This is why, even Shiite Afghans who may benefit from Iranian aid still don't have any true loyalty towards the regime in Tehran. Similarly, the Taliban may have relied on Pakistan's policy for years and still, they have shown resent towards them.

    Our closest neighbors can't even win the loyalty of groups they consider their own assets in Afghanistan because their policies don't serve the people of Afghanistan.

    The successful completion of Salma Dam project is a break with the traditional relationship Afghans had with their external allies. Investing in large infrastructure projects is what results to long lasting effect to our economy and overal progress in Afghanistan.

    The major partner and sponsor of Kabul regime, USA had the money and means to facilitate similar projects. Yet they have failed the Afghan people.

    The current regime in Kabul should capitalize on the success of Afghan-Indian relationship. It may hurt Pakistan and Irans interests and it may be that the reason why India is helping us is because they want to weaken Pakistan. As a recipient of aid we should use similar aid from other donors who have strategic interests in providing aid necessary to build infrastructure and other facilities necessary to develop our economy and self reliance.

    For decades, our closest neighbors relied on policies detrimental to our economy and stability. Now that others are willing to provide us with aid which serves our interests and may hurt our neighbors we should accept them and demand only aid on these conditions.

    If Arab countries want to give us any support in order to weaken Irans regional power, it should be in form of sustainable energy, infrastructure and other productive projects. Similarly, if India wants to invest in our country in order to weaken Pakistans control over our country, it should be in projects like Salma dam.

    As a weaker party in international political arena, we should use our weakness as an asset. We should engage in ties with other entities based on mutual interests.
    Originally posted by Firdousi
    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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    I will advice afghanis to not play around with lives of Pakistanis, even thinking of stopping water is grave sin and can punished by dropping up to 3 nukes on Kabul.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Golden View Post
      I will advice afghanis
      You are nothing, a nobody. You "advice" Afghans? lool

      Why is it that every paki thinks that what they write on the internet carries any weight outside in the real World as if what they say here can influence Global events?
      Last edited by Shapur; 06-08-2016, 09:59 AM.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Friends of Baloch View Post
        You are nothing, a nobody. You "advice" Afghans? lool

        Why is it that every paki thinks that what they write on the internet carries any weight outside in the real World as if what they say here can influence Global events?
        Balocha slave don't quote me again with stupid posts, know your place.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Golden View Post
          I will advice afghanis to not play around with lives of Pakistanis, even thinking of stopping water is grave sin and can punished by dropping up to 3 nukes on Kabul.
          We will cut the flow of water. We will also cut your access to Central Asia. We will blackmail the hell out of you, guys, if you don't stop supporting terrorism in our country.

          We got the upper hand now. Sh*t is about to get serious here. It gonna be hilarious to see Pakis starving lol
          "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
          I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

          -Ferdowsi.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
            In international political arena aid is a strategic asset used by donors to achieve a specific political objective.

            Indian aid to Afghanistan is therefore a means to isolate Pakistan. Some may argue that accepting aid knowing the motive of the donor may be immoral. The truth is, in international relations nothing is based on morality.

            Every country, nation or community tries to serve its own interests by engaging with other entities. Afghanistan as a country has always played a subservient role in relationships with others. During the communist era, it served Soviet interests to detriment of Afghan nation. The Jihadi factions served American and Pakistani interests, again to our own detriment.

            During the Taliban era, Afghanistan was paralyzed and isolated. The parties who maintained political ties with Afghanistan (Pakistan & Arab countries) failed us by because yet again, Afghanistan was the lesser party in those relationships.

            In the last 15 years, the current regime in Kabul failed Afghanistan by engaging yet again in similar relationships with powerful entities. Foreign aid didn't contribute to long term sustainable growth of our economy and infrastructure.

            Our closest neighbors, Iran and Pakistan have always pursued policies harmful to our interests. This is why, even Shiite Afghans who may benefit from Iranian aid still don't have any true loyalty towards the regime in Tehran. Similarly, the Taliban may have relied on Pakistan's policy for years and still, they have shown resent towards them.

            Our closest neighbors can't even win the loyalty of groups they consider their own assets in Afghanistan because their policies don't serve the people of Afghanistan.

            The successful completion of Salma Dam project is a break with the traditional relationship Afghans had with their external allies. Investing in large infrastructure projects is what results to long lasting effect to our economy and overal progress in Afghanistan.

            The major partner and sponsor of Kabul regime, USA had the money and means to facilitate similar projects. Yet they have failed the Afghan people.

            The current regime in Kabul should capitalize on the success of Afghan-Indian relationship. It may hurt Pakistan and Irans interests and it may be that the reason why India is helping us is because they want to weaken Pakistan. As a recipient of aid we should use similar aid from other donors who have strategic interests in providing aid necessary to build infrastructure and other facilities necessary to develop our economy and self reliance.

            For decades, our closest neighbors relied on policies detrimental to our economy and stability. Now that others are willing to provide us with aid which serves our interests and may hurt our neighbors we should accept them and demand only aid on these conditions.

            If Arab countries want to give us any support in order to weaken Irans regional power, it should be in form of sustainable energy, infrastructure and other productive projects. Similarly, if India wants to invest in our country in order to weaken Pakistans control over our country, it should be in projects like Salma dam.

            As a weaker party in international political arena, we should use our weakness as an asset. We should engage in ties with other entities based on mutual interests.
            Valid points, Shamlawar. But I think all countries in our region are moving on. Iran is too busy on the Middle Eastern war so they want some peace and stability in their backyard thats why Iran did not say a single word against Salma Dam even when it harms their water interest in Khorasan province. They don't want to deteriorate their relationship with Afghanistan and Central Asia when the whole ME is upside down. They don't need to open a new front, specially when they can make a lot of money by trading and improving Afghanistan´s economy.

            Same thing goes for Russia and Central Asia. India is our key ally. Only Pakistan seems its failing to understand that progress, trade and infrastructure projects are the future of this region. The whole region seems to be focusing on huge projects that will improve regional integration. Except Pakistan lol
            "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
            I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

            -Ferdowsi.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
              We will cut the flow of water. We will also cut your access to Central Asia. We will blackmail the hell out of you, guys, if you don't stop supporting terrorism in our country.

              We got the upper hand now. Sh*t is about to get serious here. It gonna be hilarious to see Pakis starving lol
              They're already half starving and living in their own filth. Anybody that has been to Pakiland knows what an extremely dirty and smelly country it is.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Friends of Baloch View Post
                They're already half starving and living in their own filth. Anybody that has been to Pakiland knows what an extremely dirty and smelly country it is.
                Frustration, anger and fear is growing among the Pakistani establishment. Their civilian and military "leaders" seems its losing their cool. You go check their media every day they are barking about how they will raise this or that issue to the International Community against India. They are starting to feel the heat. But nobody cares about a terrorist failed state like Pakistan which greatest contributions to the world are terrorism and mangoes.

                News from today:

                Indian inclusion could affect strategic stability, Pakistan tells Nuclear Suppliers Group

                Indian inclusion could affect strategic stability, Pakistan tells Nuclear Suppliers Group - Pakistan - DAWN.COM


                What an embarrassing display. Crying and moaning its the only "assets" left for Pakistan. Hilarious lmao
                "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                -Ferdowsi.

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                • #9
                  Pakistan has already given up on Afghanistan otherwise it would have allowed Land trade between Afghanistan and India and further central asia.

                  Because Pakistan consider this as insignificant and negligible trade potential because of the economic state of Afghanistan and Indian trade potential with CAR(less than 1 Billion dollars).

                  Pakistan is focusing on CPEC because the potential of China trade through Gwadar is in excess of 500 Billion dollars initially when competely operational(2023-25).

                  Security is far more important than trade for us.Afghanistan already is being used as a terrorist heaven against Pakistan with all the major Pakistani taliban leaders being provided safe heaven by Ashraf Ghani and Abdullah x2 administration.

                  We lost so many lives bringing our country to present level and making our economy stable and growing from the verge of collapse.

                  Dam built,water level effecting us or whatever,we can live with it but not India and Afghanistan Sponsoring terrorist activities within Pakistan.

                  Zindabad Chabahar.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                    Pakistan has already given up on Afghanistan otherwise it would have allowed Land trade between Afghanistan and India and further central asia.

                    Because Pakistan consider this as insignificant and negligible trade potential because of the economic state of Afghanistan and Indian trade potential with CAR(less than 1 Billion dollars).

                    Pakistan is focusing on CPEC because the potential of China trade through Gwadar is in excess of 500 Billion dollars initially when competely operational(2023-25).

                    Security is far more important than trade for us.Afghanistan already is being used as a terrorist heaven against Pakistan with all the major Pakistani taliban leaders being provided safe heaven by Ashraf Ghani and Abdullah x2 administration.

                    We lost so many lives bringing our country to present level and making our economy stable and growing from the verge of collapse.

                    Dam built,water level effecting us or whatever,we can live with it but not India and Afghanistan Sponsoring terrorist activities within Pakistan.

                    Zindabad Chabahar.
                    CPEC, CPEC, CPEC,.. Seems its the only project you Pakis have. A woman has been raped in Law-h-o-r-e.. it does not matter, CPEC will solve everything. NS got offshore accounts? It does not matter, CPEC will solve everything. Afghanistan is building dams? It does not matter, CPEC.

                    You are becoming vassal of China. Political prostitutes. You are eager to play that card after all being slaves is part of your nature. You want to be seen as a strong and powerful country but deep inside you know you are beggars. But don't worry.. CPEC! LMAO!
                    "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                    I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                    -Ferdowsi.

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                    • #11
                      Let me sum up CPEC to you, Pakis:

                      China is planning to connect its least developed and poor western provinces with the Arabian Sea. They will give you a LOAN (its NOT CHARITY NOR INVESTMENT! ITS A LOAN!). You Pakis will use that money in order to build stuff, pave roads,.. and so on. Most of the workers and engineers will be Chinese. And you Pakis have to pay back the loan at a 18% rate for a Chinese project.

                      I love CPEC. I really hope you Pakis go ahead with this project. Inshallah very soon you will collapse lmao
                      "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                      I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                      -Ferdowsi.

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                      • #12
                        India can't fund all those major dams on river flowing pakistan except one or two small dams. Afghanistan and pakistan don't have any water sharing agreement and unless there is one world bank and ADB Is not going to fund any project on these river. Afghanistan need to sign a treaty with pakistan, gave them their water share and then build enough dams with the help of world bank, in order to become able to stop water flow any time in case pako gets roky.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
                          CPEC, CPEC, CPEC,.. Seems its the only project you Pakis have. A woman has been raped in Law-h-o-r-e.. it does not matter, CPEC will solve everything. NS got offshore accounts? It does not matter, CPEC will solve everything. Afghanistan is building dams? It does not matter, CPEC.

                          You are becoming vassal of China. Political prostitutes. You are eager to play that card after all being slaves is part of your nature. You want to be seen as a strong and powerful country but deep inside you know you are beggars. But don't worry.. CPEC! LMAO!
                          We are set to get investment from around the world.CPEC is one of them.Pakistan is all set to become one of the most powerful economy on earth,try to isolate it midget.

                          I told you indians already that you people will remain poor no matter what do you guys because poverty is part of your culture.

                          Infact if we browse the people of IVC,they were the richest and most successful of its era.The People of IVC or ancient Pakistanis imposed their religion upon you.

                          This is the reason i tell you kids that history is the most imp part,We are one of the most oldest and the most successful civilization of its era compared to you being a product of gangas.

                          The only comparable people to you guys are the tajiks of Afghanistan.They also believed in give up concept.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
                            Let me sum up CPEC to you, Pakis:

                            China is planning to connect its least developed and poor western provinces with the Arabian Sea. They will give you a LOAN (its NOT CHARITY NOR INVESTMENT! ITS A LOAN!). You Pakis will use that money in order to build stuff, pave roads,.. and so on. Most of the workers and engineers will be Chinese. And you Pakis have to pay back the loan at a 18% rate for a Chinese project.

                            I love CPEC. I really hope you Pakis go ahead with this project. Inshallah very soon you will collapse lmao
                            Bharti lagta hai tu sudhrega ni.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by marwat View Post
                              India can't fund all those major dams on river flowing pakistan except one or two small dams. Afghanistan and pakistan don't have any water sharing agreement and unless there is one world bank and ADB Is not going to fund any project on these river. Afghanistan need to sign a treaty with pakistan, gave them their water share and then build enough dams with the help of world bank, in order to become able to stop water flow any time in case pako gets roky.
                              India is the fastest growing economy in the world. They can afford it. In any case..

                              According to a document exclusively available with The News, Indian experts have completed the feasibilities and detailed engineering of the 12 projects to be built on the river Kabul. The authorities in Kabul after completing the tendering process will be initiating construction of multi-purpose water projects on the tributaries of the river Kabul with assistance from the international community.



                              The world is standing behind us in our struggle against the Pakistani terrorism. Game is changing. There is no need no sign any agreement with Pakistan. Now we got the upper hand. Lets start the blackmail..
                              "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                              I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                              -Ferdowsi.

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