Pashtuns perspective of Ahmad Shah Masood

[Alia]

a few days ago i saw a reportage of him in an afg channel

[Shayesta]

Why do many of you badmouth him?

Because his men used to badmouth us without him standing up against it;
YouTube - Criminal Ahmad Shah Massoud.mp4

He defended our country against the invaders

Which invaders, how and with whose help?

and he predicted that Pakistan will use it's spies to destroy Afghanistan.

The very same Pakistan which trained him in first place? By the way, Mohammad Najibullah had not only predicted Pakistan will interfere, he had also predicted invasion of USA. Why not call Mohammad Najibullah our national hero in this case, aye?

Pakistan found about it and killed them with their terrorists.

He was a terrorist himself, what's the big deal if he got killed by his own kind?

He was announced national hero by Afghan millat wasn't he?

No, he was announced hero by Panjsheri extremists who had so much power in Kabul that none could refuse them from declaring a national traitor as our national hero.

Didn't he stand up against the Russian.

Is that the reason why he is known as Ahmad Shah Massoudov? And is that the reason Panjsher was only valley which had enough Russian weapons to protect it's province from Taliban?

He defended the nation and it's pride.

No, he defended Panjsher only and Panjsheri pride only; That's literally it.

If it wasn't for him our nation would have been a colony.

Aren't we colonies of 40+ NATO countries today?

That speech was not by Masood it was a Jirga held and that is what a community member of that neighborhood had said.

If a Pukhtoon had made same speech against Panjsheris, what would he have done?; Sit quiet like he did now? Or stand up and slap him in his face? Ha? Exactly.

He wanted to see Afghanistan stable and power. He did not want Pakis to be a influence.

Was that the reason why he fled to Panjsher when Mohammad Najibullah asked for his corporation in fighting the Taliban in Kabul? Yeah, right.........

[Fahd]

who s that guy in this video
who say's
da pakhton khouin

[Nick]

Because his men used to badmouth us without him standing up against it;
YouTube - Criminal Ahmad Shah Massoud.mp4


Which invaders, how and with whose help?


The very same Pakistan which trained him in first place? By the way, Mohammad Najibullah had not only predicted Pakistan will interfere, he had also predicted invasion of USA. Why not call Mohammad Najibullah our national hero in this case, aye?


He was a terrorist himself, what's the big deal if he got killed by his own kind?


No, he was announced hero by Panjsheri extremists who had so much power in Kabul that none could refuse them from declaring a national traitor as our national hero.


Is that the reason why he is known as Ahmad Shah Massoudov? And is that the reason Panjsher was only valley which had enough Russian weapons to protect it's province from Taliban?


No, he defended Panjsher only and Panjsheri pride only; That's literally it.


Aren't we colonies of 40+ NATO countries today?


If a Pukhtoon had made same speech against Panjsheris, what would he have done?; Sit quiet like he did now? Or stand up and slap him in his face? Ha? Exactly.


Was that the reason why he fled to Panjsher when Mohammad Najibullah asked for his corporation in fighting the Taliban in Kabul? Yeah, right.........

I already made some points towards that Video you have to listen to the whole thing plus its Cut short the guys main point was that Taliban could not even speak Pashtu and are not Pashtuns but rather Punjabis.

[Shayesta]

^ And how do you know what the 'cut part' was stating? As far as I hear it, he is calling Pukhtoons 'qawm-less'.

[Shayesta]

^ Who is Khidr?

[Nick]

^ And how do you know what the 'cut part' was stating? As far as I hear it, he is calling Pukhtoons 'qawm-less'.

Listen to the whole video. Remember forget about all the propaganda but go back to 1998 and 1999 Videos and news media coming from Ahmad Shah Masud. According to him Taliban had high number of Pakistani forces who were captured first hand by him and these Pakistani men were actually posing as "Pashtuns" but in reality they were Punjabi. Which is why in one of his videos he said "In 1997 for the first time we captured 290 Taliban forces among them were only some 100 Pashtun and the rest were Punjabis, It was in 1997 when I decided that my war now is with Pakistan and Pakistani flag, I will either die but not surrender to Pakistan. Taliban are not my enemy but weapons of my enemy" This is what Ahmad Shah Masud continuously said until he died Pakistanis aiding Taliban captured -- Afghan party
The whole point is that what these people meant to say was that these ISI are qwamless and they have said this 100 times when I watch many of their Videos as well as Read and heard in radio, they continuously said. Once Masod said Oh people of Afghanistan I wish Taliban were 100% Pashtun, and fight for cause of Pashtuns but these Taliban are brainwashed youngsters and and fight 90% for ISI's agenda, knowing or unknowing Taliban is not the for the future of Afghanistan but for the cause of making Pakistan stronger.

[Zarawar]

Listen to the whole video. Remember forget about all the propaganda but go back to 1998 and 1999 Videos and news media coming from Ahmad Shah Masud. According to him Taliban had high number of Pakistani forces who were captured first hand by him and these Pakistani men were actually posing as "Pashtuns" but in reality they were Punjabi. Which is why in one of his videos he said "In 1997 for the first time we captured 290 Taliban forces among them were only some 100 Pashtun and the rest were Punjabis, It was in 1997 when I decided that my war now is with Pakistan and Pakistani flag, I will either die but not surrender to Pakistan. Taliban are not my enemy but weapons of my enemy" This is what Ahmad Shah Masud continuously said until he died Pakistanis aiding Taliban captured -- Afghan party
The whole point is that what these people meant to say was that these ISI are qwamless and they have said this 100 times when I watch many of their Videos as well as Read and heard in radio, they continuously said. Once Masod said Oh people of Afghanistan I wish Taliban were 100% Pashtun, and fight for cause of Pashtuns but these Taliban are brainwashed youngsters and and fight 90% for ISI's agenda, knowing or unknowing Taliban is not the for the future of Afghanistan but for the cause of making Pakistan stronger.

He himself was a product of Pakistani Ruppee, he had no reliability himself.
He started to betray Pakistan, once the Pakistanis stopped funding him. Where do you think he got all of his logistics from? Do you think he sold Lapis Lazuli? NO!
TURKEY, IRAN, RUSSIAN and TAJIKISTAN...
Taliban fought on the behalf of Pakistan, while he fought on behalf of the Persians and the Russians.

[Nokia_Apridy]

sa waku

WOS DA HEM PEGHMBAR KU Dukhtaray_kobal ?

da KGB spay wu spay ....

Sanga Russia da Charga hem onyjala

[Nick]

He himself was a product of Pakistani Ruppee, he had no reliability himself.
He started to betray Pakistan, once the Pakistanis stopped funding him. Where do you think he got all of his logistics from? Do you think he sold Lapis Lazuli? NO!
TURKEY, IRAN, RUSSIAN and TAJIKISTAN...
Taliban fought on the behalf of Pakistan, while he fought on behalf of the Persians and the Russians.

Good point and how did you know he was slave of Pakistan? right he himself admit to be under Pakistani influence, many dirty plans of Pakistan was kept and shared with her children remain hidden and planed long, reviled by whom, by Masud himself. Which is why he also said I do not want to be a Shah, political leader and nor I want one of me being a leader pointing towards Hekmatyar. In response Hekmatyar rejected Masud's claims and saying Masud lost his mind and that he wants us to be seen "untrusted". This is history my friend. We all know this, and I heard him saying openly and admits that ISI created him and empowered him and Hekmatyar to rise against Afghan nation, long before Russian invasion.
what you said makes sense logical that Pakistan did this by purpose. Excluding some and including some was all it took to start dividing these groups. Remember to what Gulbudin said 1989 and rejected the report that they were fighting an internal war and next year 1990 he admits that there is an internal war. How friendly they were, ISI was smart knowing that these naive children were all children of ISI but sacrifices had to be made, so Masud was out and Gulbudin was in, and same game was played with other commanders/generals and freedom fighters.

Selling Lapis Lazuli LOL Who do you think is selling now. that was just an excuse we have enough of them, LOL we supplied the world with Lazuli for 9000 years lol I think we have enought another 9000 years.

[Nick]

Dear nick , you can scroll up and check up the pictures maseed posted.

Besides I would always blame masood for the destruction of afghanistan because he was the one who invited ben laden to afghanistan.

I have dozen of them and mostly in Russian language, I have full articles. So think about it Russian source can anything be more "anti-Mujahid" of 1980s? 100 Pictures from most respected member of today's Afghan parliament up to most hated ones all sitting side to side and eating with Dalkhors this was what I saw.



From afghan side, with 60s of political conflict, and 40 years of wars WE ALL AGREE that for the past 50 years we had no good leader, some say Daud, and few others pin-point to Najeeb while few others point to Ahmad Shah Masud, and few others point to Bin Ladin, Gulbudin this or that. Pakistan is the core of most of these problems dated back as early as 1955, and Ahmad Shah Masud was the only one as being a Slave rejected his Master. Which is why I too consider him to be somewhat Heroic.

[Shayesta]

Shayesta according Shah Jamshyd he is also a national hero because he did not side with Pakistan.

Of course he wouldn't side Pakistan later on since Pakistan left his hands, and caught Hekmatyar and Omar's hands instead. Why would he side with a country who delivers him no benefit at all?

Listen to the whole video.

I have listened to this video over and over again but if you got the full version of it then please do not hesitate to send it.

According to him Taliban had high number of Pakistani forces who were captured first hand by him and these Pakistani men were actually posing as "Pashtuns" but in reality they were Punjabi.

Pretty much everyone knew that not all of them were Pukhtoons because even I had heard some of them communicate in Urdu. But how did he capture them if he hardly set any foot outside Panjsher?

''It was in 1997 when I decided that my war now is with Pakistan and Pakistani flag, I will either die but not surrender to Pakistan''.

So Pakistan become his enemy after he joined Pakistan against Daud Khan, after he joined Pakistan in destroying Afghanistan in 'war against Russia' and after he (like seven other groups of Mujahideen) fought for power like a crazy dog? Wauw, what a great, heriocly stupid man!

''Oh people of Afghanistan I wish Taliban were 100% Pashtun, and fight for cause of Pashtuns but these Taliban are brainwashed youngsters and and fight 90% for ISI's agenda, knowing or unknowing Taliban is not the for the future of Afghanistan but for the cause of making Pakistan stronger.''

Then why did he refuse to join hands with Najibullah in preventing Taliban into Kabul? And why is that all of his supporters till the day of today are known as anti-Pukhtoons, rapists, murderers and looters in Kabul?; Take Abdullah and Fahim as example.

We all know this, and I heard him saying openly and admits that ISI created him and empowered him and Hekmatyar to rise against Afghan nation, long before Russian invasion.

He had no other option than to admit because the entire world knew this truth already. What I find so funny is that every year on his death anniversary his Panjsheri supports show documentary of how he 'fought' against Pakistanis, but they never told that he was actually trained by Pakistan in first place, LOL. No wonder just one percent of his supporters (back in Afghanistan) know he was actually created by Pakistan.

and Ahmad Shah Masud was the only one as being a Slave rejected his Master. Which is why I too consider him to be somewhat Heroic.

What else could he do anyway, ha? If Pakistan instead of supporting Hekmatyar and Omar had supported him, do you seriously believe he would have 'rejected his masters' then? No, he was betrayed by ISI and only option he was left with was flee to Panjsher and declare Pakistan his enemy but not fight against them; Fact.

[Dukhtar-e-Kabul]

Because his men used to badmouth us without him standing up against it;
YouTube - Criminal Ahmad Shah Massoud.mp4


Which invaders, how and with whose help?


The very same Pakistan which trained him in first place? By the way, Mohammad Najibullah had not only predicted Pakistan will interfere, he had also predicted invasion of USA. Why not call Mohammad Najibullah our national hero in this case, aye?


He was a terrorist himself, what's the big deal if he got killed by his own kind?


No, he was announced hero by Panjsheri extremists who had so much power in Kabul that none could refuse them from declaring a national traitor as our national hero.


Is that the reason why he is known as Ahmad Shah Massoudov? And is that the reason Panjsher was only valley which had enough Russian weapons to protect it's province from Taliban?


No, he defended Panjsher only and Panjsheri pride only; That's literally it.


Aren't we colonies of 40+ NATO countries today?


If a Pukhtoon had made same speech against Panjsheris, what would he have done?; Sit quiet like he did now? Or stand up and slap him in his face? Ha? Exactly.


Was that the reason why he fled to Panjsher when Mohammad Najibullah asked for his corporation in fighting the Taliban in Kabul? Yeah, right.........

He defended Afghanistan against the Taliban. He knew they were Pakistani spies who wanted to make us a colony. If it was not for his resistance right now Afghanistan would have been a 5th province. PAK Army even tried invading but Afghans killed them and a few soldiers.

Your own Ultra-Nationalistic group named Afghan Millat in Pashto said he is a Hero.

[Zarawar]

He defended Afghanistan against the Taliban. He knew they were Pakistani spies who wanted to make us a colony. If it was not for his resistance right now Afghanistan would have been a 5th province. PAK Army even tried invading but Afghans killed them and a few soldiers.

Your own Ultra-Nationalistic group named Afghan Millat in Pashto said he is a Hero.

Or it could have been a 3rd province of Tajikistan, or a 31st province of Iran. His financial/military support came from the caves of Panjsher? NO!

[Admin Khan]

@nick, shayesta, Jasmine & dukhtar e kabul

afghanistanis were sold out , thats why a poor country like pakistan could buy some of them. As for the northern alliance they were the shoelickers of iran, india and russia. How could you forget the russian tanks they used against taliban during american invasion while these pseudo heroes were welcoming the invaders.

I respect taliban because they are fighting against invaders . No matter what you call them. They are brave and they are dealing nato and american troops a better way.

regards

Excuse my ignorance, Whats an Afghanistani?