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  • #31
    At present Afghan means hazara,tajik,uzbek,turkmen and pashtun

    Ta sanga wilay shay chee afghan means Pashtun chee farsibano ya yeee chee zma afghan yam aow bala side banay meeez khalq aow meez jaba mra weee aow goreee chee pashto vanish sheee day watan na.

    Pashtin kho Pashtin dai, da gha farsi tukeee meez pura icch faida nashta, chee kala afghanistan jor shavai wooo yu Throne Jurr sha cheray Durranyun pa Luss shay woo, aow da gha same rulers of Afghanistan Farsi jaba adapt kla, Da gha Afghan khalq Capital day Kandahar na moved kla Kabul ta, wilay cha para? da para cheee Farsi culture aow Farsi Jabba dagh zra ta deeer zyot nazday wa, aoe Pushto pa Afghanistan shay khaleee choo decades shee chee Official Jabba declare karay wa.

    Za na ya yam chee Kim Pashtun dee pa Afghanistan shay nast dee day mur vraynay na dee, toool pukhtun mu vraynay deee, za kho khalee ya yam cheee Tool Pashtun yu shee pa yu state jorr keee aow da maslay stee khatam sheee.

    Ich faida nashta cheee Pashtin ta dwa options war ka way, Afghanistan aoe Pakistan yu khalq dai, Pa Wa side banay Afghanistan Farsiban meez ta ya yee che Pa Pakistan shay amblay ka way aoe bala side banay Pakistan Punjabistan meez ta ya yee chee Pa afghanistan banay amblay ka way,

    Full Stop za ya yam cheeee meeez Pashtin ma stamala way pa khpalay interests para, pa char dooo cheee Pashtun Jangeezeee Pashtun Interests Para.

    Kind Regards

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Nick View Post
      Good point and how did you know he was slave of Pakistan? right he himself admit to be under Pakistani influence, many dirty plans of Pakistan was kept and shared with her children remain hidden and planed long, reviled by whom, by Masud himself.

      No, I knew he was a Pakistani proxy prior to his admition. Do you think I'm one of those Afghans or westerners that doesn't know what went down in Afghanistan? NO!
      Masood was nurchered by Pakistanis with the help of Dollars, him denouncing his support for Pakistan had nothing to do with his patriotism or independence. Because, he didn't denounce his support for Pakistan just for the hell of it. Instead, he was offered more sums and support from countries like Iran (Pakistani/Afghan rival), India (Anti-Taliban/ISI/Pakistan) Tajikistan and Russia. He was not smart enough to play both sides, otherwise he would have done it like his ENTIRE party did (2001-present). Speaking of influence and independence, where exactly did the first band of special forces arrived in Afghanistan? Northern Afghanistan, mazar-e-Sharif, with the help of double Abdullah, Fahim and his crew. I know you are going to say, oh no Masood was different than the rest of his political party (Shorai Nezar). You are also probably going to say that if Masood was alive he wouldn't have co-operated with the Americans, and probably resisted them in this war, right? Well, here check this out,

      YouTube - Ahmad Shah Massoud Warns President Bush in Paris - France
      see how he's begging "Agha i Bush" @ 00:30:00 , what makes him different than Dr.Najib, Karmal, Tarakai, Hafiz ul amin or Karzai?

      Which is why he also said I do not want to be a Shah, political leader and nor I want one of me being a leader pointing towards Hekmatyar.

      It was not his choice to become a shah, he couldn't, it was not up to him, and what makes you think that a proxy like Masood will turn an offer like that down? He rapped the entire kabul, street to street, he had no dignity da da saqaw bachai dai.

      In response Hekmatyar rejected Masud's claims and saying Masud lost his mind and that he wants us to be seen "untrusted".

      Hekmatyar's party was the one responsible for most of the resistance, Masood didn't even make it past the caves of Panjsher, Hekmatyar's party was fight in every corner of the country, killing, and has killed more Russians than any other party. Based on that, Who was masood to offer positions and truces? Why is he even considered an national personality? Seriously, he never went to any Pashtun area, he was not recognized by any Jirga or tribe, the US made him a national symbol for the NA and democracy sympathizers so they could rely on his publicity, to move foward along with his party/followers/Northern Alliance.


      This is history my friend. We all know this, and I heard him saying openly and admits that ISI created him and empowered him and Hekmatyar to rise against Afghan nation, long before Russian invasion.

      what you said makes sense logical that Pakistan did this by purpose. Excluding some and including some was all it took to start dividing these groups. Remember to what Gulbudin said 1989 and rejected the report that they were fighting an internal war and next year 1990 he admits that there is an internal war. How friendly they were, ISI was smart knowing that these naive children were all children of ISI but sacrifices had to be made, so Masud was out and Gulbudin was in, and same game was played with other commanders/generals and freedom fighters.

      Masood was out of ISI and INed back into IRAN, TAJIKISTAN, RUSSIAN,TURKEY and INDIA. Why is it that people working for ISI are bad, whereas being a persian/communist/russian proxy is ok?
      We have to realize that anyone working for any foreign power is a proxy/mozdor/khayen/beghairata. ISI shouldn't be the only case, even the current government is going to be labelled as puppet and evil in the future history books


      Selling Lapis Lazuli LOL Who do you think is selling now. that was just an excuse we have enough of them, LOL we supplied the world with Lazuli for 9000 years lol I think we have enought another 9000 years.
      I dont know what you mean by all that ^, Panjsher's Lazuli was brought to Pakistan on mules and donkeys sold for tons and Kilos, that latter on needs grinding, separating quality, polish etc. Afghans didn't make any money out of the precious stones, precious stones from Kunar, Nooristan and Panjsher were bought for relativly cheap prices. The merchants were mostly Northern Alliance affiliated people that had connections in the west with Persian Jews etc. The stones were valuable once they left our people, our people never made money out of the stones. His mining wasn't big enough to supply his entire anti-Taliban front, NO WAY, it had to be foreign cash
      Last edited by Guest; 08-04-2010, 03:52 PM.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Jasmine
        Zarawar what is your opinion of Masood.
        I don't have an opinion about Masood, his past is crystal clear, why have an opinion when there are solid facts proving he was a multi-nation proxy.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Dukhtar-e-Kabul View Post
          Why do many of you badmouth him? He defended our country against the invaders and he predicted that Pakistan will use it's spies to destroy Afghanistan.

          Pakistan found about it and killed them with their terrorists. He was announced national hero by Afghan millat wasn't he?
          People who believe Ahmed Shah Massoud defended out country must be high on drugs.

          He only defended Panjshir. And thousands of people died in Kabul because of his indiscrimate attacks on south and south east Kabul's residential area's.

          Aside from that, he had a deal with the Russians since 1982. He saught help from the kuffaar to fight Muslims.

          And he was a filthy Tajik racist.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Dukhtar-e-Kabul View Post
            He defended Afghanistan against the Taliban.
            The very same Taliban whom he joined along during Mujahideen regime, due to Pakistani government's commands?

            Originally posted by Dukhtar-e-Kabul View Post
            He knew they were Pakistani spies who wanted to make us a colony.
            The very same Pakistan he himself wanted to work for even knowing they wanted to destroy the dominance of Daud Khan?

            Originally posted by Dukhtar-e-Kabul View Post
            If it was not for his resistance right now Afghanistan would have been a 5th province.
            What resistances, which resistances and resistances in what way? Do you also have sources and facts to back up your claims? Or all you know is that 'he was a good man'?

            Originally posted by Dukhtar-e-Kabul View Post
            PAK Army even tried invading but Afghans killed them and a few soldiers.
            That's news to me, when did that happen? Didn't Pakistan enter Afghanistan through Mujahideen (a.k.a. through Massoud) and Taliban already? If we ourselves were fools enough to enter our own land as terrorists already then why should their army even bother?

            Originally posted by Dukhtar-e-Kabul View Post
            Your own Ultra-Nationalistic group named Afghan Millat in Pashto said he is a Hero.
            What option were they left with? Panjsheris were on high position back then in Kabul, now when they lost that power, hardly anyone cares about Massoud's so-called 'legacy'.
            Gar Jahanum Sakhtam Ferdaws Ham Mesazamat

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            • #36
              ^ I asked for sources, then I will believe it. I just don't understand how Pakistan can be that stupid to send their army even though they had enough Afghan puppets to ruin Afghanistan for them. And even if that happened, I want to know how Massoud (like some claim) was also involved in this.
              Gar Jahanum Sakhtam Ferdaws Ham Mesazamat

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              • #37
                ^ Are you talking about the late 40's where Afghanistan even got bombed?
                Gar Jahanum Sakhtam Ferdaws Ham Mesazamat

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by shlombay
                  I would like Nick to bring forward his case on why he is a hero.
                  I would like the scholars of PF to offer a response to Nick.

                  I would also like Nadir Shah also known as Shah Jamshyd to tell us why he is a hero.
                  90% of Afghanistan's Population hates Pakistan. And Masud was against Pakistan, and some 70% of the population did not liked Taliban's foreign policy, as well as their education system and their idiotic economical machinism policy, brught afghan economy and currency to the ground. Despite the fact that Taliban controlled 90% of the country and since Ahmad Shah Masud was stood abouts of some 5% of Afghanistan since he had no money or power to fight as Haqqni said "two days before 9/11 we celebrated, We were so happy and that Masod was killed despite we were about to make an attack and finish him off anyways" a fact that Masud was close to be finished off despite he continued his war, by his death 70% of those who disliked him ie Shias/Ismalis/Uzbeks were all in side to side against Taliban LOL thanks to American policy.


                  Dear shlombay there is a great controversy amongst us Farsiwans that who killed Masud, some of us say it was Pakistan's Master America because if he was alive he won't wanted America to invade and like Hekmatyar he would side with Taliban making American mission impossible. Some say it was Taliban despite Taliban rejected the accusations, some say it was Pakistan, some say it was Uzbekistani Amir Dostam, in fact there are some right now who says Abullah Abduallh who knew American preplanned policy and that he was ordered to kill Masud this would increase hatred towards Taliban, and once the American Aid comes many would join Americans. This is what happened.

                  The point that he was Hero or not is not depended on one group, but rather a general over view of what he represented. He represented Anti-Pakistani elements and most importantly people saw him as Anti-Taliban.

                  Today almost every Hazara over the net supports Masud, but in reality the number of Hazaras Masud killed LOL Taliban were not even close to that number. SO much of Heroic that "Civil War" was not between one or two groups but also Shia vs sunni, who was involved? damn right Masud vs Hazaras. Now tell me the Iranian part of Support.

                  Here my brother Zarawar claims Iranians supported him because of his language or Qwamiyat? Well ask him Didn't Iran supported Hekmatyar?

                  To be continued...
                  Last edited by Nick; 08-05-2010, 04:11 AM.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Sher Khan
                    He was killed by al qaeda, blown up by some arab reporter.
                    Thanks to him for inviting ben laden to afghanistan and starting the whole trouble.
                    Brother Sher Khan you repeated this some dozen times. Just for once Think about it, I know you hate Masud just for the heck of it and that's the hate part that's not letting you think towards other options. He invited Ben Ladin and he was killed by Bin Ladin's organization alqaeda. Makes any sense? perhaps for you, but for me first I don't believe that he was alone in inviting him, second I don't believe that alqaeda exists. Yes I don't believe in true existence of Alqaeda, yes I would believed you if you said Alqaeda is organized by Jews, and Ben Ladin is working for CIA just as Karzai used to work for ISI.

                    Sorry my personal believes. Yes to some I sound crazy, because I have been to Cyber world for 8 years, have seen many opinions, "facts" and news. So I am not crazy LOL. You may bash at me or respect my believes its your opinion but before changing my believe think about what you said, in above statement. LOL Masud invites Bin Ladin, Bin Laden sides with Taliban, and Bin Ladin makes plans for 9/11 which will result in US invasion, but before US invasion he wants to finish Afghan resistances so he does makes US job easier to finish off his Host the Taliban. LOL wonderful story, sorry story is now History.

                    Wests pre plan invasion "Give us support but not military Aid says Masood" http://www.omaid.com/english_section...ess/ASM_EU.htm
                    Last edited by Nick; 08-08-2010, 02:02 AM.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Nick View Post
                      90% of Afghanistan's Population hates Pakistan. And Masud was against Pakistan, and some 70% of the population did not liked Taliban's foreign policy, as well as their education system and their idiotic economical machinism policy, brught afghan economy and currency to the ground. Despite the fact that Taliban controlled 90% of the country and since Ahmad Shah Masud was stood abouts of some 5% of Afghanistan since he had no money or power to fight as Haqqni said "two days before 9/11 we celebrated, We were so happy and that Masod was killed despite we were about to make an attack and finish him off anyways" a fact that Masud was close to be finished off despite he continued his war, by his death 70% of those who disliked him ie Shias/Ismalis/Uzbeks were all in side to side against Taliban LOL thanks to American policy.


                      Dear shlombay there is a great controversy amongst us Farsiwans that who killed Masud, some of us say it was Pakistan's Master America because if he was alive he won't wanted America to invade and like Hekmatyar he would side with Taliban making American mission impossible. Some say it was Taliban despite Taliban rejected the accusations, some say it was Pakistan, some say it was Uzbekistani Amir Dostam, in fact there are some right now who says Abullah Abduallh who knew American preplanned policy and that he was ordered to kill Masud this would increase hatred towards Taliban, and once the American Aid comes many would join Americans. This is what happened.

                      The point that he was Hero or not is not depended on one group, but rather a general over view of what he represented. He represented Anti-Pakistani elements and most importantly people saw him as Anti-Taliban.

                      Today almost every Hazara over the net supports Masud, but in reality the number of Hazaras Masud killed LOL Taliban were not even close to that number. SO much of Heroic that "Civil War" was not between one or two groups but also Shia vs sunni, who was involved? damn right Masud vs Hazaras. Now tell me the Iranian part of Support.

                      Here my brother Zarawar claims Iranians supported him because of his language or Qwamiyat? Well ask him Didn't Iran supported Hekmatyar?

                      To be continued...
                      Its abit too late to Hate Pakistan

                      Since Afghans enjoyed their time being the Peshawer Seven and serving Pakistani Interests.

                      Its only until Pakistan gave problems to their daily supply of weapons which led to this 90 percent hating Pakistan.

                      Why doesnt this 90 percent of Afghans go into Pakhtunkhwa and start preaching Pashtun Unity because from sources I know most of these Pro Pakistani Radical Mullahs in places like Peshawer only preach Unity of Muslims and disown those who speak of unity of Pashtuns.

                      Kind Regards

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by unhiddentruth
                        Shayesta Pakistani Fouj tried to invade us but Afghans had them running back.
                        Pakistan didnt have to invade

                        they had the Peshawer Seven and 1000s more Afghans to do their dirty work.

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