US Army Empowering Pedophiles To Abuse Afghan Children

[tilla_jogian]

Yea, but the old videos of Afghans in the media riding in pickups all strapped up with long hair and black bandanas makes us look pretty bad ass. the CNN footage showed boys dancing in a crowded room was depressing and Gay.

Reality is bitch, before they showed you as savages and now as savages who rape kids as part of honour code and culture. So I agree this is much worst, Afghandus have exposed themselves to rest of the world. We already knew about afghandus but now everyone knows it.

[Adam]

Your sister's husband, the punjabi, say the same thing about people of Orakzai.

LOL, damn.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

i am a mean person and at times, i can be rude too but i make sure of it that it's not out of habit.. that i have a good reason for being rude when i am rude and mean when i am mean. i do that for my own sake.
when i referred to you by your first name, it was because i had not read this post of yours and not seen you respond to me with the sort of language that you have. now that i have, things will be a little different.

You are mean. But that is OK, not everyone can be nice like me.

the majority of people who are in charge of the government in afghanistan are the very same opportunists who have served under the mujahideen as well as the taliban.

Besides Mullah Rocketti, there is no current member of the government that derives from the higher level Talibs from Kandahar.

Regarding Mojahideen, refer to the Mojadedi faction for who Karzai was a zoot suit wearing gopher.

AbdusSalaam Zaeef was removed from Gitmo by Karzai and kept under close watch to potentially serve on a peace council but never was allowed to do so.

If you have information otherwise that is contrary, do not hesitate to provide it.

Abdur Rasool sayyaf is not Taliban affiliated and actually fought against them and IS with the central government.

So equating all these groups is naive.



when the new government was formed, they were not given their positions depending on the crystal cleanness of their characters. they were giving these positions for claiming to be in opposition with the taliban.

That's a stupid starting point for a government since some of what bought the Taliban movement into power, especially in Helmand was establishing security through what Kawun kakar called re-imposing a rigid rural hybrid of Pashtunwali with religious edict - which is why many in that region did not see them as a massive imposition that required a thousand documentaries interviewing a thousand contrived versions of Malalai Yusufzai to somehow legitimize over turning them.

no matter where in the world you are, some level of corruption and exploitation will always be present.

That sounds like a cop out similar to what Talib and Muj fighter faction supporter use: The line is always "there is always going to be some level of violence in a war torn region." And the difference is who and what is doing the exploiting.

Its one thing when Boss Tweed dabbles in corruption in 1800s America or when Tom Delay does it in the current era because on some level he is not beholden to a super power that is notorious, historically, for decimating and destroying indigenous peoples.

Your goons on the other hand lick the boots that have mowed down indigenous peoples in North America and have also done so now across the continents.

Thats not corruption - thats treason.

taliban may have not raped any boys but they did allow for circumstances to get so bad that people sold their own kids in to sex trade. people's daughters and widows were forced in to marriages with strangers and without their consent. the raped girl was forced to marry her rapist?? astaghfirullah, what are these americans are up too.. enforcing sharia law on poor old innocent afghans.. i mean, here i was, thinking, forcing people to marry their rapists was part of sharia law...so if a licehead makes that decision, it's legitimate but if an american makes the same decision for a victim, he is empowering rapists in to molesting kids..

You are, based on what you have been brainwashed by family members into believing, generating a series of mistruths and ahistorical statements. Here is the actual view that was prevalent at the highest level of leadership:

Maulvi Sadiq, a Taliban official in Kandahar province said in 2011 that after the Soviet withdrawal, the creation of the Taliban movement and its subsequent advance was triggered by the kidnapping and rape of a young girl in Kandahar by a local warlord.

According to him, Mullah Omar and some of his old colleagues decided to take on the warlord who had allegedly kidnapped and raped the girl. Other seminary students also joined them and the group transformed into the Taliban movement of the 1990s.

To the contrary, as was well known in Helmand and Nawa and many surrounding areas - that particular villain was hung from a tank - not married off to his victim.



by no means is this government stable or the best that it could be. mainly because while they could be focusing on making it stronger and a cleaner system, they are too busy with constant security issues, erupting in this or that end of the country.

Oh really? So Mahmud Karzai funneling money out of Kabul Bank to Dubai is because hes out there in the front lines fighting the war to establish security? The commanders noted in the article are busy raping women in fields and little boys because the little boys pose a security risk to governance?

Chicken eating and vodka slamming Dostum can't develop the economy on macro and micro scales because his version of fighting for security is shooting at random motorcyclists like he did recently?

tons of explosives are being transferred in to this country and hundreds of people are being killed on daily basis, all thanks to the taliban.

Rather, tons of explosives and hundreds of people are being killed because a whole swath of DJZ from Canada and abroad decided they knew what was best for the Afghan people. Why if they imposed skate boarding, tattoos, and rock n roll on Afghans, they thought, they could eat up billions in aid and Afghans would naturally come around to their way fo thinking (sarcasm).

No, its because these DJZ types require thousands of foreign guns and nations worth of armies to protect their fragile slip shot corrupt government and they are using laser guided, bunker busting, aerial armaments against God knows who and they expect these folks to walk up to them in suits and ask nicely to stop?

Survey after survey shows that even when an attack occurs locally, the Afghan people still blame the kharijaan and their presence (because they understand the proven link) for inciting these attacks since one party belongs and is indigenous to the soil and the other is just a college form friend of DJZ who somehow got lost on the way home from a mayo and fries trip after high school to being shipped over from Ottawa to murder Afghans.

When the attacks really began to ratchet up in '09:

"Thirty-six percent of those surveyed mostly blame US, Afghan or NATO/ISAF forces or the US or Afghan governments for the violence that's occurring, up by 10 points from 2007," ABC said.

Only 27 percent mainly blame the Taliban for the violence, down by 9 points

The Title of that piece was that Afghans Blame the US More than Taliban for Violence

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Poll_Afghans_blame_US_more_than_0210.html

i hate americans so much that i have sworn never to step foot in to america so this is not about how i am defending them. this is about the likes of you twisting the truth and the misery of innocent people to serve your own agendas..

How did we twist anything? You played the part of the fool because you didn't read the article. You knew it contained inconvenient truths and then you decided to claim another person was laying the blame at the feet of the US government when in fact it was the US's own soldier-children doing so lol.

You then completely glossed over the village elders contributions to the piece which ALSO blamed the US.

So once again, IN THE PRINT, its US Soldiers and AFGHAN ELDERS blaming the American government for deploying new improved pedophiles into their regions and YOU trying to hide, diminish, or limit access to that viewpoint.


and yeah, i am in this country so i could gather myself, get some education and apply myself where my skills are needed.

Oh that's rich. So you you accuse people of selectively backing the Talibs and when the very people you kow tow to end up saying "Look our government is putting rapists and pedophiles back into the mix of things" and the Afghan village elders say with utter clarity that what is being imposed on them is worse than The Taliban - you decide that its the fault of the indigenous Afghans who never had the means to leave and that you can criticize them from afar because since you like to be able to act goth, praise tattoo art, and resurrect Kurt Kobain in seances that so long as that is being imposed in Kabul its cool with you since yea a few villagers will get raped and picked off - but its like that old video game SimCity or SimWorld to you... you get to rebuild and redesign a whole rustic society into DJZistan and pretty much live with your brainwashed views without ever challenging them.

you have finished your education and could be of alot of use to afghans back home. why are you still sitting on your ass in usa rather than providing medical help to (at least) your uncles in the caves of tora bora??

What can I say? I've come to enjoy your company. Your winsome, welcoming demeanor have convinced me to stay on the North American continent.

No, in all seriousness - a major issue with serving in the region is what Doctors without Borders has cited. Both sides, governmental/ISAF allies and the insurgency have made it difficult to live and practice by the mantra that "all are welcome to be treated."

I worked initially with Baha Zarjon's buddy Shareif Fayaz with proposals to use local physicians in the Kandahar Quetta region to serve Mir Wais Hospital's development.

Politics not involving myself got in the way and Fayaz shut down all communications. Perhaps I was young and naive. What came out of it was a lot of promises, a lot of potential, a lot of possible supplies from the Clinton initiative which takes supplies that are perfectly fine and would be discarded here in the States were unable to be accessed.

You should however go and try it out and see how it unfolds for you. My guess is that if you do not go with your governmental hosts you will not get much farther than I did.

x

[BarakzaiAbdali]

i am a mean person and at times, i can be rude too but i make sure of it that it's not out of habit.. that i have a good reason for being rude when i am rude and mean when i am mean. i do that for my own sake.
when i referred to you by your first name, it was because i had not read this post of yours and not seen you respond to me with the sort of language that you have. now that i have, things will be a little different.

the majority of people who are in charge of the government in afghanistan are the very same opportunists who have served under the mujahideen as well as the taliban. when the new government was formed, they were not given their positions depending on the crystal cleanness of their characters. they were giving these positions for claiming to be in opposition with the taliban.

no matter where in the world you are, some level of corruption and exploitation will always be present. taliban may have not raped any boys but they did allow for circumstances to get so bad that people sold their own kids in to sex trade. people's daughters and widows were forced in to marriages with strangers and without their consent. the raped girl was forced to marry her rapist?? astaghfirullah, what are these americans are up too.. enforcing sharia law on poor old innocent afghans.. i mean, here i was, thinking, forcing people to marry their rapists was part of sharia law...so if a licehead makes that decision, it's legitimate but if an american makes the same decision for a victim, he is empowering rapists in to molesting kids..
by no means is this government stable or the best that it could be. mainly because while they could be focusing on making it stronger and a cleaner system, they are too busy with constant security issues, erupting in this or that end of the country. tons of explosives are being transferred in to this country and hundreds of people are being killed on daily basis, all thanks to the taliban.
i hate americans so much that i have sworn never to step foot in to america so this is not about how i am defending them. this is about the likes of you twisting the truth and the misery of innocent people to serve your own agendas..


and yeah, i am in this country so i could gather myself, get some education and apply myself where my skills are needed. you have finished your education and could be of alot of use to afghans back home. why are you still sitting on your ass in usa rather than providing medical help to (at least) your uncles in the caves of tora bora??

You are also misinformed about the shariat tradition. Its a complex interplay in 1 major madhab between not wanting to deliver a death penalty frivolously (i.e. diminishing sensivitity) vs being a bit more liberal in punishing rape (Malikis - the older traditionalists) and accepting some potential false positives (diminishing specificity).

"Mālik ī jurisprudence, by contrast, defined rape as a composite crime – as both an act of zinā and a usurpation of sexual property, or ightiṣāb. The court, in Mālik ī theory,was to make an independent determination about each of these crimes, each of which had distinct evidentiary standards. If the standards for zinā were met, then the defendant was to receive the ḥadd punishment, and if the standards for ightiṣāb were met, then the defendant was to compensate his victim for violating her. Furthermore, Mālik ī jurisprudencetreated the two components of rape in tandem, linking them through the nuanced use of the discretionary punishment (ta`zī r): If the evidentiary requirements for zinā were not met, but those for ightiṣāb were, then the jurists advocated imposing a discretionary punishment on the defendant, on the rationale that a sexual violation had most likely occurred. Mālik ī jurisprudence thus allowed two avenues through which to pursue sexual violence, as opposed to only one, as in Ḥanafī fiqh. Furthermore, their discussions on substantiating rape were far more subtle, intergrating evidentiary principles related both to zinā and to property usurpation. In what follows, we will summarize these methods of establishing rape – coercive zinā and ightiṣāb, respectively – from the perspective of each school.

This is from a thesis by Hina Azam in the Theology School at University of Texas for download here:

http://utexas.academia.edu/HinaAzam

The concept of forcing marriage on the rapist and raped in a tribal society is not adhering to Maliki or Hanafi jurisprudence by the way - but rather forcing tribal law (so that huge conflicts down break out when say the family of the rape victim gets blood retribution) as a filter over Islamic jurisprudence.

It would not be dissimilar over how when Raymond Davis killed people in Pakistan, Pakistan abused a nonexistent loop hole wherein wrongful, unpremeditated deaths could be dealt with via a payment (Davis on the other hand had killed the people in cold blood). The government there got Raymond off its hands back to his handlers by abusing the law.

Any law, shariat, constitutional, morrocan, martian, fantasy law, etc can all be abused by men. No where in the Quran does God promise that people would not abuse what he revealed. In fact, the contrary is noted when in one surah it is said "And they say it is a part of the book, but it is not a part of the book etc."

All this aside, you basically decide to absolve people of rapes of the boys and the girl in the field with the same logic I accused of using which is:

"Well the Taliban did it... I THINK!" so therefore, Karzai can do it too.

All in essence boiling down to: "i DJZ have no evidence basis, reason, historical grasp, reality check, or ground level experience but I will basically parrot the popular narrative and will just back something because I LIKE it better, not because Afghans on the ground like it better or benefit or do not benefit. In the mean time, I will criticize the insurgency from afar and avoid having to live the miserable life of bribes, rape, abuse etc from the ANP and ANA rendering myself a mega hypocrite."

[DaZahroJaam.]

You are also misinformed about the shariat tradition. Its a complex interplay in 1 major madhab between not wanting to deliver a death penalty frivolously (i.e. diminishing sensivitity) vs being a bit more liberal in punishing rape (Malikis - the older traditionalists) and accepting some potential false positives (diminishing specificity).



This is from a thesis by Hina Azam in the Theology School at University of Texas for download here:

http://utexas.academia.edu/HinaAzam

The concept of forcing marriage on the rapist and raped in a tribal society is not adhering to Maliki or Hanafi jurisprudence by the way - but rather forcing tribal law (so that huge conflicts down break out when say the family of the rape victim gets blood retribution) as a filter over Islamic jurisprudence.

It would not be dissimilar over how when Raymond Davis killed people in Pakistan, Pakistan abused a nonexistent loop hole wherein wrongful, unpremeditated deaths could be dealt with via a payment (Davis on the other hand had killed the people in cold blood). The government there got Raymond off its hands back to his handlers by abusing the law.

Any law, shariat, constitutional, morrocan, martian, fantasy law, etc can all be abused by men. No where in the Quran does God promise that people would not abuse what he revealed. In fact, the contrary is noted when in one surah it is said "And they say it is a part of the book, but it is not a part of the book etc."

All this aside, you basically decide to absolve people of rapes of the boys and the girl in the field with the same logic I accused of using which is:

"Well the Taliban did it... I THINK!" so therefore, Karzai can do it too.

All in essence boiling down to: "i DJZ have no evidence basis, reason, historical grasp, reality check, or ground level experience but I will basically parrot the popular narrative and will just back something because I LIKE it better, not because Afghans on the ground like it better or benefit or do not benefit. In the mean time, I will criticize the insurgency from afar and avoid having to live the miserable life of bribes, rape, abuse etc from the ANP and ANA rendering myself a mega hypocrite."

funny how you should enlighten us with this piece of information now and refraining from sharing it with us when you came across it in the first place. this holding information back only until revealing it becomes beneficial to you thing is quiet the trend these days, no??

[BarakzaiAbdali]

funny how you should enlighten us with this piece of information now and refraining from sharing it with us when you came across it in the first place. this holding information back only until revealing it becomes beneficial to you thing is quiet the trend these days, no??

Huh? I posted it 2 years ago, before you were my new frenemy .

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?p=715184&highlight=malik+rape#post715184

This is just your paranoia. Like I said, you are basically acting like a Badlun Jr. You may accuse Talibs and their supporters of being one way, but at the end of the day your reasoning boils down to: I like the retard that wears the green cape and runs around Kabul like a mock super hero accomplishing nothing because he says stuff that I think should be imposed on the Afghan people .... even if it means ignoring what they want or have tolerated as impositions. And the reason is predicated on " a few more dead Afghans + a bit of corruption lite is going to happen anyways - so the green chapan crusader gets a few free passes - but people I decide I don't like I'm just going to generate BS and not look into the evidence bases or testimony on the ground or at least look into the complexity of why, say Helmand, accepted them"

[DaZahroJaam.]

it doesn't matter. taliban don't live by hina azam's version of the sharia law. and stop being weird.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

it doesn't matter. taliban don't live by hina azam's version of the sharia law. and stop being weird.

And Hamid Karzai, Abdullah Abdullah, and Ghani (and certainly Dostum Vodka Lord) don't live by meritocratic, liberal democrat constitutional standards either.

Its not Hina Azam's version of Shariat law. Its what Imam Maliki, probably the earliest preeminent jurist in Islamic history, viewed as proper practice. And Hanafi was not wrong in his interpretation per se - it just means that he deduced (perhaps wrongly?) that in the society he lived in the burden of proof would ensure that no one had to die for a crime they didn't commit. There is no evidence to say Imam Hanifa woke up one day pondering over how he would screw over thousands of people. Its akin to strict and loose, Jeffersonian and Hamiltonian interpretations, federalist vs states, interpretations.

And irrespective of whether Taliban know the details of Maliki jurisprudence or not, we can at least say that with that example provided regarding the actions of Omar that he didn't view it as:

Afghan girl gets raped in the field ---> work it out so no tribal, clan, or family conflict occurs and marry her off to the rapist

it was

Boys, get your guns - time to hang a the pervert high from a Tank gun.

That being said, if your criticism of him and them was more that they didn't execute the law accurately and that people like Najib and even the rapist deserved at least a trial before the punishment - then we would have common ground.

But the contrast you are setting up is: Hamid, Ghani, Abdullah, Qayum K and them are awesome because they wear suit jackets, speak a little english, dress up in versace and I'm gonna claim that they somehow would handle this rape case perfectly, as in PERFECTLY.

It would be like this: Hamid would hunt down the rapist, Ghani would get him in a headlock, Dostum would head butt him, Abdullah would drop kick him and it would be amazing - and then they would make him stand trial and tar and feather him.

This would all be done in between them setting up more skate boarding rinks and nude artist exhibitions in kabul (a true story by the way).

When the reality is far far different and it took international pressure and pulling teeth to get Hamid Karzai to do anything of the sort:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-15991641

But yeah since in DJZistan so long as Alfred Lord Tennyson beatnik cafes are being built by Western born and raised Afghans so that other Western born and raised Afghans can come to them - its all cool... even if its not cool with local mores and traditions and even if the imposers are themselves corrupt posers with no intention of making things better but are just self aggrandizing nepotists that cry alligator tears when their backers rain down Canadian armaments all over Afghan soil and impose themselves in villages creating the ripe conditions for sustained war and death.

[DaZahroJaam.]

don't chew on my brains. this government is not mine but i will take it over liceheaded savages, any day of the week. i am not going to tie bombs to donkeys or brainwash people in to convincing them that it's in their benefit to have their kids trained to blow themselves at government buildings or public places because this corrupted government is in charge or aided by non muslim americans.
you never have an independent solution or concern for fixing things up. you don't do that either even though one of their biggest objectives out there is training warriors in secret madrasas. you are so shallow, you don't even live by the proper standards of your own heros. you run to their defense, get loud and obnoxious only when taliban need to be defended. afghanistan is not your concern, their reputation is.

you know, the first step towards fixing a building is coming up with a blue print. then you go back in there and make things stronger or get rid of them in order to have a perfect system that will support the rest of what you are about to create. this government is a blueprint. it needs to be fixed which it can not be because every time one corner of it is set, your ******* uncles blow the other corner. maybe the few good who are mixed with the corrupted ones could gather and get rid of the corrupted ones once they were given a chance to worry about that aspect of the problem. but HOW THE **** ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GET TO FIXING CORRUPTION AND SEXUAL ABUSE IF THEY CAN'T EVEN HOLD THE DAMN PLACE UP FOR LONG IN THE FIRST PLACE. this is the future of afghanistan and taliban are clearly not letting it happen. they don't give a **** about it being the future of afghanistan, they are just pissed off because they are not let loose to go around and whip people and keep them OCCUPIED WITH MEANINGLESS ACTIVITIES LIKE GROWING BEARDS AND WEARING SHROUDS THAT WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THEIR PRODUCTIVITY OR PROGRESS IN THE COUNTRY.

you don't suffer from being useless. your children are well fed, educated and protected in the west. the consequences of a government run by taliban will have someone elses kids starved, bombed and orphaned. they will end up living the life of slaves in their own land.
THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH AFGHANS ARE LIVING TODAY IN AFGHANISTAN IS NOT THE RESULT OF IT'S CURRENT GOVERNMENT. THIS IS THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE 15 PLUS YEARS OF DESTRUCTION CATCHING UP WITH THEM THAT WERE BROUGHT ON THEM BY THE TALIBAN 20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO.
usa wouldn't be raping afghan kids or bombing them mercilessly if it wasn't for taliban. we would have a proper government and not in need of aide from other nations if it was not for those 15 plus years of taliban treating afghanistan like a playground. and yes, there would have been exploitation and corruption but not to the extent that is present now.


summarize your posts. i can handle reading half a page of garbage. i don't have patience for five pages of it.

[DaZahroJaam.]

And Hamid Karzai, Abdullah Abdullah, and Ghani (and certainly Dostum Vodka Lord) don't live by meritocratic, liberal democrat constitutional standards either.

Its not Hina Azam's version of Shariat law. Its what Imam Maliki, probably the earliest preeminent jurist in Islamic history, viewed as proper practice. And Hanafi was not wrong in his interpretation per se - it just means that he deduced (perhaps wrongly?) that in the society he lived in the burden of proof would ensure that no one had to die for a crime they didn't commit. There is no evidence to say Imam Hanifa woke up one day pondering over how he would screw over thousands of people. Its akin to strict and loose, Jeffersonian and Hamiltonian interpretations, federalist vs states, interpretations.

And irrespective of whether Taliban know the details of Maliki jurisprudence or not, we can at least say that with that example provided regarding the actions of Omar that he didn't view it as:

Afghan girl gets raped in the field ---> work it out so no tribal, clan, or family conflict occurs and marry her off to the rapist

it was

Boys, get your guns - time to hang a the pervert high from a Tank gun.

That being said, if your criticism of him and them was more that they didn't execute the law accurately and that people like Najib and even the rapist deserved at least a trial before the punishment - then we would have common ground.

But the contrast you are setting up is: Hamid, Ghani, Abdullah, Qayum K and them are awesome because they wear suit jackets, speak a little english, dress up in versace and I'm gonna claim that they somehow would handle this rape case perfectly, as in PERFECTLY.

It would be like this: Hamid would hunt down the rapist, Ghani would get him in a headlock, Dostum would head butt him, Abdullah would drop kick him and it would be amazing - and then they would make him stand trial and tar and feather him.

This would all be done in between them setting up more skate boarding rinks and nude artist exhibitions in kabul (a true story by the way).

When the reality is far far different and it took international pressure and pulling teeth to get Hamid Karzai to do anything of the sort:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-15991641

But yeah since in DJZistan so long as Alfred Lord Tennyson beatnik cafes are being built by Western born and raised Afghans so that other Western born and raised Afghans can come to them - its all cool... even if its not cool with local mores and traditions and even if the imposers are themselves corrupt posers with no intention of making things better but are just self aggrandizing nepotists that cry alligator tears when their backers rain down Canadian armaments all over Afghan soil and impose themselves in villages creating the ripe conditions for sustained war and death.

i have read that much of your post. and to that i would like to say go preach it to the so called islamic warriors out there. if you manage to convince them of that, that right there will be a very good and useful life to have lived. you have fulfilled the purpose of your existence.

[Manzareh]

Badlun Jr. Lol

[DaZahroJaam.]

Badlun Jr. Lol

i will remove you from my ignore list on october 25th. enjoy. actually make that november 25th. bye bye.

[Manzareh]

I didn't even quote you yet you know I was speaking about you despite being in your ignore list. 6th sense

[BarakzaiAbdali]

don't chew on my brains. this government is not mine but i will take it over liceheaded savages, any day of the week. i am not going to tie bombs to donkeys or brainwash people in to convincing them that it's in their benefit to have their kids trained to blow themselves at government buildings or public places because this corrupted government is in charge or aided by non muslim americans.

Because Ghani giving them permission to kick down doors at night and shoot pregnant women in the belly like they did in Gardez is so much more... surgical? Precise? Ethical?

SO basically, so long as you look good murdering, or do it with keeping your hands soft and clean - its all good in the DJZ hood?

They dont need to train or brainwash anyone. Its been proven that ISAF troop movements into Pashtun lands correlates with mishaps and subsequent recruitment increases that drive these attacks.

Basically your retards in Kabul are inadvertantly doing all the recruiting for these guys themselves.

you never have an independent solution or concern for fixing things up.

Sure I do. Every white Christian foot soldier that is occupying Afghan land and has a weapon (i.e. not a civilian) needs to get the f#$$ out of the place and quit destabilizing it just so the DJZ crowd can keep having beatnik poetry readings in Kabul.

you don't do that either even though one of their biggest objectives out there is training warriors in secret madrasas. you are so shallow, you don't even live by the proper standards of your own heros. you run to their defense, get loud and obnoxious only when taliban need to be defended. afghanistan is not your concern, their reputation is.


Wrong again. I have simply looked at the evidence, examined the data for what perpetuates violence in the countryside - know my tribe, history, and the region and come to the firmly grounded conclusion that the retarded idiots you back - who cannot build a functioning government with billions and 80+ nations worth of support - are basically just an irritant to progress and the internal dialogue Afghans need to have about how they want their society to function.

you know, the first step towards fixing a building is coming up with a blue print.

Oh and so your, Karzai, and Najib's blue print is worth kicking down doors, raining down armaments, deploying white phosphur and depleted uranium -- backing the savages of the ANP and ALP and ANA like Razeq in Kandahar and his boyfriend Jajo?

Boy oh boy What a blue print!

then you go back in there and make things stronger or get rid of them in order to have a perfect system that will support the rest of what you are about to create. this government is a blueprint. it needs to be fixed which it can not be because every time one corner of it is set, your ******* uncles blow the other corner.

Wrong, its an IMPOSED government with a constitution written pretty much by Zalmaay Khalilzaad and Eikenberry. But once again, its not about what works best for Afghans, its about what allows DJZ to have her beatnik poetry readings and permits her to pertend to be the Betty Freiden of Afghanistan.

maybe the few good who are mixed with the corrupted ones could gather and get rid of the corrupted ones once they were given a chance to worry about that aspect of the problem.

The good ones like the top leadership? Like Mahmud Karzai? I posed that example to you. How is he dealing with the brunt of maintaing security while he and his brothers are pilfering /have pilfered funds?

Or like hero Hamid of the Green Cape? Who appointed openly professed child molester Jan Mohammad?

but HOW THE **** ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GET TO FIXING CORRUPTION AND SEXUAL ABUSE IF THEY CAN'T EVEN HOLD THE DAMN PLACE UP FOR LONG IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND WHY WONT THE LOCALS HELP THEM DO SO? PERHAPS BECAUSE AS THAT ELDER SAID IN THE ARTICLE: THEY DONT LIKE WHAT YOUR GOOD BUDDIES HARPER AND CO ARE IMPOSING ON THEM AS A REPLACEMENT OPTION?

SO YOUR GENIUS CONCLUSION IS THAT THEY PUT UP WITH THE RAPES AND THE CHILD MOLESTATION UNTIL HAMID CAN WORK OUT HIS PSYCHIATRIC ISSUES?

THAT NOT A BLUE PRINT - THATS A DESIGN FOR A TICKING TIMED WEAPON. ITS WHAT CREATED THE TALIBAN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

this is the future of afghanistan and taliban are clearly not letting it happen. they don't give a **** about it being the future of afghanistan, they are just pissed off because they are not let loose to go around and whip people and keep them OCCUPIED WITH MEANINGLESS ACTIVITIES LIKE GROWING BEARDS AND WEARING SHROUDS THAT WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THEIR PRODUCTIVITY OR PROGRESS IN THE COUNTRY.

WHILE HAMID IS OCCUPIED WITH WHAT? STEALING FUNDS? DOLING OUT CONTRACTS TO COMPANIES THAT CHARGE BOTH THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT AND THE AMERICAN CIVILIANS 90x the going value of a CRAPPY CONSTRUCTED BUILDING? THATS MEANINGFUL? BACKING DRUNKARDS, VODKA ADDICTS, AND FAILED IN THE WEST EMIGRES THAT BOUGHT US TO THIS DISASTER BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO BUSY TRYING TO HIT ON YOUNG GIRLS LIKE ABDULLAH ABDULLAH?

THATS YOUR SOLUTION????

you don't suffer from being useless. your children are well fed, educated and protected in the west. the consequences of a government run by taliban will have someone elses kids starved, bombed and orphaned. they will end up living the life of slaves in their own land.

Because the current resumed refugee crisis happening from even stable northern parts of Afghanistan is evidence that the government is offering development and progress on a silver platter (sarcasm). Yeah right, once again it boils down to:

I DJZ DONT LIKE THE WAY THEY LOOK AND IVE BEEN BRAINWASHED TO THINK PASHTUNS IN THE VILLAGES ARE ALL ACTUALLY SUIT WEARING, YORKSHIRE ENGLISH SPEAKING LIBERALS THAT WANT TO JOIN MY COED POETRY READING SESSIONS AND THE BIG BAD MULLAH IS STOPPING THEM.

Its a convenient narrative you tell yourself.

THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH AFGHANS ARE LIVING TODAY IN AFGHANISTAN IS NOT THE RESULT OF IT'S CURRENT GOVERNMENT. THIS IS THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE 15 PLUS YEARS OF DESTRUCTION CATCHING UP WITH THEM THAT WERE BROUGHT ON THEM BY THE TALIBAN 20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO.

WRONG AGAIN, READ ABOUT THE BRIBES, FAILED CONSTRUCTION, FAILED SCHOOLS, LOOTING OF KABUL BANK ETC.

GUL AGHA SHERZAI WAS THE PRE TALIBAN GOVERNOR OF KANDAHAR THAT PRETTY MUCH EVERY BARAKZAI LOATHED BECAUE HE OVERTURNED THE OLD PRE RUSSKEY WAR ORDER AND LET THOSE IDIOT COMMANDERS RUN AROUND DESTROYING THE CITY ---> LEADING TO THE RISE OF THE GOVERNMENT.

YET WHO IS IN THE GOVERNMENT TODAY?

OH - GUL AGHA SHERZAI.

So once again - its DJZ + a lot of brain washing by your family + a selfish view of how everyone should live and be like you that results in your ahistorical conclusions.

usa wouldn't be raping afghan kids or bombing them mercilessly if it wasn't for taliban.

Correction, its not the US raping the afghan kids, its your installed local ALP officials - some of whom Karzai and his little local bro Shah Wali keep in the ranks even after expose after expose shows their responsibility in the murder, rape, and abuse of men, women, and children.

we would have a proper government and not in need of aide from other nations if it was not for those 15 plus years of taliban treating afghanistan like a playground. and yes, there would have been exploitation and corruption but not to the extent that is present now.

Evidence? Historical or otherwise? Despite the lack of a single iota of proof and despite being unable to furbish any backing for your claims (for instance claiming that the Taliban leadership or even upper mid levels are in the Kabul government) you just findyourself devoid of any meaningful response except making up this drivel.

So you are blaming Karzai's rampant accepting of bags of cash from Iran and the CIA and his brothers abuse of Kabul bank (despite having a lucrative American business already) on the Taliban?

How the f&*(& do you even correlate those actions?

summarize your posts. i can handle reading half a page of garbage. i don't have patience for five pages of it.

As frenemies the way this works is I tolerate yours and you tolerate mine.

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i have read that much of your post. and to that i would like to say go preach it to the so called islamic warriors out there. if you manage to convince them of that, that right there will be a very good and useful life to have lived. you have fulfilled the purpose of your existence.

In times of war, whether it be in Latin America or in Asia - local ideas become radical ones so that people have their reason to continue to fight (most often wars of resistance). Thats how Marxism fed the Pan LatinAmerican resistance and thats how Islamism to some degree is the language of resistance in that region.

And as I said, its your savages, that imposed donkey Karzai guy in the green chapan with his idiot shiny bald head that conducted himself shamefully when it came to dealing with that rape case. And subsequently when it came to a rape trial he executed 5 men who had a cursory trial that human rights watch said lacked proper due process.

So hows about you go and repair Hamid's idiot brain and Ghani's retarded noodle head as well?

In the mean time - their actions and backing of outsiders occupying Afghan land and of outsiders funding/arming local thugs will only promote the more radical response that we have seen across the Muslim world.

Each time these guys and their local hooligans (I call them Team DJZ) intervene a new more radical version of the prior group arises.