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So the entire makeup of the Paki army and ISI changed from then to now?Originally posted by Orakzai View PostCome on, if you're going to participate in a discussion, try not to start off with shoddy strawmen.There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.
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There's definitely been a shift. From shady men like Kayani and Pasha involved in multi-million dollar deals and double-talk to Raheel Sharif who has been about results from the start. Not that the whole institution's top brass has been cleaned up.Originally posted by randolph85 View PostSo the entire makeup of the Paki army and ISI changed from then to now?
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So now there is coordination?Originally posted by Orakzai View PostBecause the government and military are coordinating with the Americans and firing their own drones. Damn, you're not the sharpest knife in the kitchen, are you?

So its better when you coordinate with the US to kill your own rather than pretend not to know?
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The official confirmed the deaths, but did not provide details regarding the identities of the deceased, The Express Tribune reported.
If you have your own drones, then why does America conduct their own operations as of 2 days ago?There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.
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Maybe you don't get what I mean. There was an agreement between the two countries from the start. The PPP was definitely complicit, but chose to pretend that the Americans were firing drones out of their own free will and ignoring the Pakistanis.Originally posted by randolph85 View PostSo now there is coordination?

So its better when you coordinate with the US to kill your own rather than pretend not to know?
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The official confirmed the deaths, but did not provide details regarding the identities of the deceased, The Express Tribune reported.
If you have your own drones, then why does America conduct their own operations as of 2 days ago?
And "own people" is kind of a stretch, because the Northern Areas were filled with Uzbek, Chechen, Afghan and Arab fighters.
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So now you concede all my points but now its a matter of who is being killed. You are reaching so hard I should call you Mr. Fantastic. The issue was never the makeup of people being killed, civilians aside because that would be another discussion entirely, but the complicitness of the government and military. Now that the last gov't is out of power and the Pakistani military has free reign to protect their borders, the attacks continue unanswered. No military response to intercept the drones and even less diplomatic protest than when the last gov't pretended to protest.Originally posted by Orakzai View PostMaybe you don't get what I mean. There was an agreement between the two countries from the start. The PPP was definitely complicit, but chose to pretend that the Americans were firing drones out of their own free will and ignoring the Pakistanis.
And "own people" is kind of a stretch, because the Northern Areas were filled with Uzbek, Chechen, Afghan and Arab fighters.There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.
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Says the man who left Pakistan.Originally posted by Orakzai View PostMan, don't insult these guys. They'll eventually be the people who'll liberate your people from Afghanistan and assimilate you into a stable country.There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.
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For now. Ayub Khan only sealed the borders after being pushed too far by the Afghan government. Don't expect Pakistan to continue to neglect sealing the border. Public opinion is changing.Originally posted by randolph85 View PostNow that the last gov't is out of power and the Pakistani military has free reign to protect their borders, the attacks continue unanswered.
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