Taliban fighters attack Pakistan air base near Peshawar

[randolph85]

The fact that these militants only managed to kill a few men engaged in prayers and were nearly wiped out by the response team shows this wasn't some professional tacticool Afghan squad out on a mission. Men are cheap in Afghanistan. Guns are cheap in Afghanistan. The borders are open between the two countries. Put two and two together.

But this was conducted by the ttPakistan right?

[Orakzai]

But this was conducted by the ttPakistan right?

Yes, point? Plenty of foreigners in the TTP. Arabs, Chechens and Uzbeks have carried out plenty of attacks under the banner of TTP. Wouldn't be surprised if there were Afghans operating under the same banner. I mean, look at the current state of your country. Crippled government, crippled economy, terrible state of security. Better to join a militant group with good pay than to be murdered by a local warlord.

[Insight]

The fact that these militants only managed to kill a few men engaged in prayers and were nearly wiped out by the response team shows this wasn't some professional tacticool Afghan squad out on a mission. Men are cheap in Afghanistan. Guns are cheap in Afghanistan. The borders are open between the two countries. Put two and two together.

If one is going to discuss cheapness then one has to consider that Pakistan supported a US/NATO war in Afghanistan with NATO supplies for the $$$

China and Iran did not

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Yes, point? Plenty of foreigners in the TTP. Arabs, Chechens and Uzbeks have carried out plenty of attacks under the banner of TTP. Wouldn't be surprised if there were Afghans operating under the same banner. I mean, look at the current state of your country. Crippled government, crippled economy, terrible state of security. Better to join a militant group with good pay than to be murdered by a local warlord.

Praytell, what is the difference between a warlord and the 4 or 5 feudals per region that control Pakistan? In fact, some of yesteryear/bygone era warlords of the region that now comprises Pakistan (who were empowered by the Brits) are now represented by their feudal descendants. Is what makes them less warlord that they participate in some sham democratic process and don party wear and party hats? If that is the measure, then Afghan warlords are progressing at a much more rapid pace than their counterparts across the border, lol.

Once again though, if you are from Orakzai agency I would caution you in being so jingoistic so as to blindly support Pakistan. As I stated, they are killing Pashtuns in the droves and using their state media agencies to justify these murders.

Read into the killing of Hayatullah Khan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayatu...an_(journalist)

What did he do that was so wrong? Well, he exposed how your state appartus took a person they called a hero a few months back (Nek Mohmad) and how they colluded with whitey outsiders who they continuously fellate - to kill said individual.

He provided picture proof and they decided he had to be brutally murdered.

A warlord does his deeds out in the open. Whats worse is the sick, decrepit, perverted lie that Pakistanis tell themselves about how they are somehow serving Islam with their approach. The state deep insiders say "throw a few more Pashtuns from FATA into the fire - they will get automatic paradise and have served the purpose of smoke and mirrors. And we of course will keep living large off the IMF funds"

How disgusting is it that Iran can shoot down a drone but you people lie to yourselves day in and out and in the press, throwing up a big hue and cry about drones yet in reality you get paid for their operation.

[Orakzai]

If one is going to discuss cheapness then one has to consider that Pakistan supported a US/NATO war in Afghanistan with NATO supplies for the $$$

China and Iran did not

Pakistan was threatened into the war. Afghanistan's actions forced us into serving alongside the US. Not that we blindly joined the NATO coalition. We supported your fighters under a misguided hope you'd actually kick the Americans out and create a stable government.
I know you guys enjoy being blown up and shot at, but we didn't want to be bombed to the Stone Ages. We don't want Dostums running around, killing off tribes and raping women and kids.

[marwat]

The fact that these militants only managed to kill a few men engaged in prayers and were nearly wiped out by the response team shows this wasn't some professional tacticool Afghan squad out on a mission. Men are cheap in Afghanistan. Guns are cheap in Afghanistan. The borders are open between the two countries. Put two and two together.

i really like pakoo frustration. you know there is no end to this war and you will eventually loose to the great Talib

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

The Paki military, only hours after the attack, claimed the operation was planned in Afghanistan. In any other nation such an investigation would take say....more than a couple of hours but this is no ordinary nation, this is the land of the pure. By now based on how swiftly the Paki's move, the masterminds should be captured, tried and executed in the next 30 minutes or so.

terrorists were talking to umar mansoor in Afghanistan and they intercepted the call.

atleast use some common sense

[Orakzai]

Praytell, what is the difference between a warlord and the 4 or 5 feudals per region that control Pakistan? In fact, some of yesteryear/bygone era warlords of the region that now comprises Pakistan (who were empowered by the Brits) are now represented by their feudal descendants. Is what makes them less warlord that they participate in some sham democratic process and don party wear and party hats? If that is the measure, then Afghan warlords are progressing at a much more rapid pace than their counterparts across the border, lol.

Bull. We've already kicked out one of the "Old money, feudal-type" parties, ANP (who most Pashtun nationalists ironically support) and the other major feudal-backed party, PPP is on it's dying breath. On the otherhand, you guys vote in major warlords who were committing massacres openly only a few years ago. I seriously don't want to hear an Afghan of all people telling me about my democracy.

[Orakzai]

Read into the killing of Hayatullah Khan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayatu...an_(journalist)

What did he do that was so wrong? Well, he exposed how your state appartus took a person they called a hero a few months back (Nek Mohmad) and how they colluded with whitey outsiders who they continuously fellate - to kill said individual.

He provided picture proof and they decided he had to be brutally murdered.

Unfortunate, but I fail to see what's your point. No state is innocent. You, being an Afghan whose state has been involved with major drug-traffickers, child-rapists and warlords should definitely know that. For every one journalist killed in Pakistan, how many journalists have been brutally tortured in a prison by some ex-Soviet strongman, huh?

[Orakzai]

How disgusting is it that Iran can shoot down a drone but you people lie to yourselves day in and out and in the press, throwing up a big hue and cry about drones yet in reality you get paid for their operation.

The double-dealing PPP politicians are out of power, junior. Try bring up something fresh.

[randolph85]

Paki armed forces casualties

Not for the squeamish

[randolph85]

The double-dealing PPP politicians are out of power, junior. Try bring up something fresh.

So now you are all not complicit in drone strikes but the military is unable to shoot them down?

[Orakzai]

So now you are all not complicit in drone strikes

Sigh, how can the 180 million people of this country be considered complicit in the drone strikes when they despised such actions and even protested against them. Don't equate the bureaucracy and government with the people. Use your mind for brainsake.

[randolph85]

Sigh, how can the 180 million people of this country be considered complicit in the drone strikes when they despised such actions and even protested against them. Don't equate the bureaucracy and government with the people. Use your mind for brainsake.

But the Pakistani people are supporters of the great military institution which protects the people against aggression drummed up by the CIA, Mossad, and RAW, right? Or are you one of those treasonous people who don't believe that?

The institution which according to you was told to stand down by order of the political party of the time against direct attacks on Pakistanis because the gov't was in cahoots with the operations. But now apparently since there is a shift in government and the Pakistani military has free reign to reply to aggression, the drone strikes continue with no military response.

A nuclear power cannot shoot down a drone?

[Orakzai]

But the Pakistani people are supporters of the great military institution which protects the people against aggression drummed up by the CIA, Mossad, and RAW, right? Or are you one of those treasonous people who don't believe that?

Come on, if you're going to participate in a discussion, try not to start off with shoddy strawmen.