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[Brown Skinned Savage]

They were Zorastrians who spoke Avesta how could they be Dravidians.

Ashvakas and Avaganas were both people of the Hindukush and Avagana derives from the Sumerian word for Badakhshan Ab-bar-Gan

Not everyone was Zoroastrian. There were temples to Dravidian deities there too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mundigak

The female looking human figurines (5 c.m.height) found at Mundigak are very similar to such figurines found at another archeological site in Afghanistan, Deh Morasi Ghundai. (cicra 3000 BC)[

Zoroastrians were not worshippers of Matriarchal deities.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Nope only a few Kambojas migrated to India the rest stayed and created the Kabul Shahi Empire.

But the Indus Valley people were inhabiting much of the regions where the "Avaskas" are alleged to have inhabited.

Actually Kambojas are a very widespread identity amongst Punjabis. I know quite a few Sikh Kambojas

[Brown Skinned Savage]

The Ashvakas north of Kunar were Iranics who spoke Avestan and the ones south of Kunar spoke Prakrit so they may be the Hindu ones. However we are talking about two different Satraps right now. Ashvakas were in Paropamisadae.

There's no suggestion in any Sanskrit literature that they were Iranics though. this is the problem with some of this stuff, we end up filling up our own gaps.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

I did not fill in my own gap
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleophis

This has citations referring to sources depending on claims made in the 19th century, In fact most of these Wiki articles are recycled through other Wiki articles with similar citations

If Kambojas were the Parthians and Sassanids they definitely interacted with other peoples, that were not Iranic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Kapisa#cite_note-90

The Aśvakayanas and Aśvayanas are also believed to be sub-tribes of Paropamisan Kambojas, who were exclusively engaged in horse breeding/trading and also formed a specialised cavalry force.[90]

This could suggest that the Asvakavas were a totally different people entirely since the rest of the Kambojas were not involved. Since some Kambojas adopted some type of Hinduism, a class based system based on ethnic identity would be reasonable to assume.

I'm just saying other possibilities here

[Brown Skinned Savage]

During the 2nd and 1st centuries BCE, clans of the Kambojas from north Afghanistan in alliance the with Sakas, Pahlavas and the Yavanas entered India, spread into Sindhu, Saurashtra, Malwa, Rajasthan, Punjab and Surasena, and set up independent principalities in western and south-western India. Later, a branch of the same people took Gauda and Varendra territories from the Palas and established the Kamboja-Pala Dynasty of Bengal in Eastern India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kambojas#Migrations

This kind of lends evidence to my statement

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Yes it proves Kambojas migrated to India however it was only some not all. There were even Kambojas in Tibet.

We don't have known Kambojas in Afghanistan but the name Kambojas still exists in India very prominently

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Well there are Kam Nuristanis. Also it is because Kambojas in Afghanistan were known as Ashvakas which is believed to have morphed into Afghan.

That's not "Kamboja' ....that's an attempt at trying to suggest a etymological cognate with the name ......which may or may not be true.

oh yeah and I found this.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C5%9Bvaka

The word is also used as a generic descriptor for nomadic pastoral people of ancient north-western India who were known for their skills as horse breeders and riders.[2]

[Afghanfootball]

That's not "Kamboja' ....that's an attempt at trying to suggest a etymological cognate with the name ......which may or may not be true.

oh yeah and I found this.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C5%9Bvaka

Thats because on wiki they count Afghanistan as a part of Ancient India.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Kambojas were considered Mleccha (Barbarian) (Non Indian) by the Indians. So that pretty much ends the debate of whether or not they were Dravidian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mleccha

I never suggested Kambojas were primarily Indian, just the Ashvakas who may have just been a hamsaya of the Kambojas and not Kambojas proper

and that's just a hypothesis which serves to explain that leaps between Ashvakas and Afghan is tremendous and presumptuous.


By the way I enjoy this debate, it's intelligent and productive.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Thats because on wiki they count Afghanistan as a part of Ancient India.

That doesn't have any relevance to the statement was a generic term used for ANYONE that were into horse breeding. Which would include ANY PEOPLES in the area that engaged in such a trade My suspicion is that Ashvakas were a class of people, not an actual race and may have been made up of various conquered races, such as Dravidian remnants and such.

[Afghanfootball]

That doesn't have any relevance to the statement was a generic term used for ANYONE that were into horse breeding. Which would include ANY PEOPLES in the area that engaged in such a trade My suspicion is that Ashvakas were a class of people, not an actual race and may have been made up of various conquered races, such as Dravidian remnants and such.

But if that was the case how would we explain the two branches of the Ashvakas the Asspasoi and the Assakenoi?

[Brown Skinned Savage]

But if that was the case how would we explain the two branches of the Ashvakas the Asspasoi and the Assakenoi?

I'll need to do more reading but possibly different ranks?

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Seems unlikely to me since the Asspasoi lived around Kunar and the Assakenoi lived around Peshawar.

But both their names deal with horse breeding right? Or rather Greek interpretations of their name. So it could have to do with ranks for different categories of horses bred.

Or it could be as before, ashvaka was a generic term. but the Greeks had to distinguish between the different Ashvakas so they used two different terms.

[Loy Afghanistan]

Seems unlikely to me since the Asspasoi lived around Kunar and the Assakenoi lived around Peshawar.

Zma Grana wroor.

Don't waste your time on this half arab piece of kuni. <3 Do as I have him on block/ignore. He is a low lifer, educated in brainwashed porkistani schools.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Actual I strongly doubt that Asvaka was a generic term. Here you can see that the Asvakas in north-west India were the Assekenoi that lived in the Peshawar valley (Gandhara)
https://books.google.com/books?id=EJ...svakas&f=false

In the passage here it is talking about a specific kind of Asvaka, the Vita Asvaka. so there was some other designation used to distinguish them. This would suggest Asvaka is a generic term, the specifcying term is whatever term precedes the word "Asvaka"

This would also weaken the suggestion that Afghan somehow comes from Asvaka as there were numerous kinds of Asvaka from all over India. They can't all have made the word "Afghan" now could they?