Why Pakis are so worried

[Azmal]

Khudey ta gora,da conspiracies nora prezda.

At the end of the day,Pakistan supported insurgency in Afghanistan

*After backstabbed by Afghanistan in the 60's with Bajaur invasion(To kill pashtunistan movement)
*Supporting USA anti soviet compaign in Afghanistan(To develop WMD's under the shadow of supporting the west in Afghanistan)

hu? Who back-stabbed who?

We all agree that Pakistan did so,anything else you believe is your own fantasy.

Now don't you think we should leave the past and move on?I can assure you that we can move toward prosperity even without Afghanistan albeit slow but can you?

Think purely from nationalist point of view?don't you think after the Bajaur invasion,You should have expected a reaction from Pakistan aswell?

There is nationalism and then there’s this burning desire for justice among every Afghan I know and meet. I hope for your sake that it’s all mere nationalism, for the toll that justice demands will not be enough to keep a roof over your head.
The question you need to ponder is peace for sake of peace is not a viable option. What will Afghanistan gain from peace in Pakistan’s terms? No terrorist attack? That too in this critical juncture of transition order across whole region, when groups outside ISI control like ISIL are raising their head in region. If you ask me, until and unless Pakistan is completely burn in the fire they created in Afghans land, both Pashtunistan and Afghanistan (Kabul must burn policy other way around.) there will be no peace. Mark my words.

[Azmal]

Pakistan has realized that the militancy groups it uses have gotten out of control and are unmanageable. It has gotten to a point where Paki mullahs in Mosques are openly criticizing the Paki Army which has never happened before.

It is also because China, which exerts influence over Pakistan, has become more involved in peace efforts in Afghanistan as the U.S. military presence draws down to protect their Western border and have economic opportunity in Central Asia.

Does anyone think these two prostitutes Ghani and Ax2 would sign the Durand line with the Paki in exchange for nothing. It wouldn't surprise me.

But as long as Paki exists especially with the Paki army in power because they serve others interests over their own people's, they will always have leverage over Afghanistan.

Wait, in other tread you ask us Afghan to settle our Pashtunistan issue with them Pakis and now you alleged Ghani will ink Durand?
As I stated in my pervious reply, Pakistan has used Islam and Islamic identity to neutralize/marginalize Pashtun nationalism and dilute Pashtun identity. Mind you the underlying reason for Pakistan's support of Islamist(terrorist and extremist) movements in Afghanistan have absolutely nothing to do with religion or any pretense to moral virtue. For this purpose, over the years Ponjabis conveniently nurtured in Pashton Nationalism place an Islamic Nationalism, which defied geographic boundaries among Muslims. It was a clever poly giving Afghan nationalism in reality is Pashtun nationalism which give Pakistan and its coward military “leverage over Afghanistan” as you had put it. However the rule of game has change, Afghanistan no longer limit herself to promoting nationalism—both Baloch and Pashtun, thanks to Karzi(With all his corruption and short coming) Afghanistan has started to cultivate the Islamic options for it has a lot of teeth and can bite really hard too. The only leverage Pakistan will have is economy until Chakhabar option is utilized and even that will fade. The basic truth is Pakistan as a nation is very fragile, the country has already been divided once in 65+ existences, one you take down the only power that keeps it together—military will go down like house of card.

[ComradePashtun]

Oh ****, Talib super heroes will bring down both Afghan and Pakistani government.. this is a new height of lunacy. What a knuckleheads. Talibs without ISI handlers will not last a year. They are by far more stupid than even Ghundak Khan (Insigh aka unknown price), but again Ghundak Khan must be playing stupid and feigning knowing his immediate family are in ISI.

Ghundak Khan you must be watching too many super hero films and smoking a lot of marijuana.

[ComradePashtun]

Azmal, you are wrong. Majority of Afghans want to live in peace within and with others. Afghanistan has too much of its own problems, and no Afghan thinks of or wishing the burning of any country. Pakistan is a muslim country and the ordinary Pakistani and Afghans have good feelings for each than they do for the people of any other country. This is a fact. Stop the nonsense.

[Azmal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOum...ature=youtu.be


President Ghani to Nawaz during press conference: As you have stated before there are no good or bad terrorism. You come in time to Afghanistan when the war has been imposed on us. When the war is imposed on us it’s our legal and national right to defend ourselves. As a supreme commander of Afghanistan’s national armed force I’m proud of my armed forces and am at their service. Our armed force is faithfully and honorably defending our holy land in every corner of our land even when this war that has been imposed/declared on us. This war is not only for us, regional and international terrorism as imposed this war on both Afghanistan and Pakistan. The only country that will suffer the most from terrorism is Pakistan. National unity government has have unity, power and well to continue the war. Our national unity is strong and our political well is pronounced and we are faithful in our dealing. At the same time I want to thank our national partners for understanding our rightful position.
You have to come and declare clearly that enemy of Afghanistan is enemy of Pakistan and enemy of Pakistan is enemy of Afghanistan. With this declaration we can satisfy our people that our government have clear and bright view for future and our future decision will not be deluded with our narrow past views.


Nawaz Sharif: Enemies of Afghanistan cannot be friend of Pakistan. Action of Taliban are consider terrorism and all their sanctuaries if found will be eliminated by direct action. In case of terrorism activity, both Pakistan and Afghanistan has right to hot pursuit of terrorist.





The highlighted part are clear warning, Ghani reminding Nawaz that Pakistan will suffer the most from terrorism and Nawaz declearing in care of terrorism in Pakistan they will pursuit them inside Afghanistan.

[ComradePashtun]

One should always think positive. I hope the Pakistani government is sincere. Afghanistan and Pakistan truly are brotherly countries.

[Azmal]

Azmal, you are wrong. Majority of Afghans want to live in peace within and with others. Afghanistan has too much of its own problems, and no Afghan thinks of or wishing the burning of any country. Pakistan is a muslim country and the ordinary Pakistani and Afghans have good feelings for each than they do for the people of any other country. This is a fact. Stop the nonsense.

Pakistan was not and is not faithful to bring peace in Afghan land(Loya Afghanistan.) I truly believe Pakis are using peace process to buy time. What will Pakistan gain from peace? For past 14 years they have cashed the blood of Afghans both lar aw bar. The benefit of using terrorism outweighs the cost for Punjabis. Indeed Pakistani state is NOT the projection of the collective will of the society but an instrument to secure the interest of Punjabi/Mahjar. Thus obviously Paki state, as manifested in its policies, itself is a generator of divisions rather than social cohesion---which is a must for peace in region. With exception of few Pathans whom are actually Pashtun just by name—ex Asad Durrani,Imran khan and those that claim to be Pashtun but are actually non-Pashtun Hamid Gul. Pashtun and Balochs are left out in competition for power in Pakistan. The conflicts therefore lie in the very failure of the state to absorb the diverse communities into a national polity. Pashtun and Baloch’s economic competitiveness is harmed by the policies set up by the Pakistani state. In the absence of this national coherence, political Islam has been the ONLY means at the Paki government's disposal for keeping their synthetic nation glued together. So Pakis state has no option but to continue using terrorism to keep the country together.

For Afghanistan what will be the cost of peace? Sharing power with Taliban? Recognized Durand line? In my opinion peace for sake of peace is NOT good option.

[Azmal]

One should always think positive. I hope the Pakistani government is sincere. Afghanistan and Pakistan truly are brotherly countries.

Pakistani state is successor of bloody British Raj for Afghanistan.

[Insight]

Oh ****, Talib super heroes will bring down both Afghan and Pakistani government.. this is a new height of lunacy. What a knuckleheads. Talibs without ISI handlers will not last a year. They are by far more stupid than even Ghundak Khan (Insigh aka unknown price), but again Ghundak Khan must be playing stupid and feigning knowing his immediate family are in ISI.

Ghundak Khan you must be watching too many super hero films and smoking a lot of marijuana.

ComradePashtun,

In brief, I relayed fact of Obama's decision for a full US withdrawal and how it was unchanged by Pak and Kabul puppet regime pleas for US to stay. You are having problems with that right?

In fact, the Kabul puppet regime exerts practically no control outside Kabul, and the district centers. This has been established by several reports, the most important one being the Lt. Davis report which was released two years ago. Please read the below reports for your own knowledge, and no, Lt Davis is not an ISI agent, or NDS agent.

[I saw the incredible difficulties any military force would have to pacify even a single area of any of those provinces; I heard many stories of how insurgents controlled virtually every piece of land beyond eyeshot of a U.S. or International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) base.

I saw little to no evidence the local governments were able to provide for the basic needs of the people. Some of the Afghan civilians I talked with said the people didn’t want to be connected to a predatory or incapable local government.

From time to time, I observed Afghan Security forces collude with the insurgency.]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-afghanistan-report-the-pentagon-doesnt-want-you-to-read-20120210

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-afghanistan-report-the-pentagon-doesnt-want-you-to-read-20120210

Anyone can see the chronology of events that gave way to Pak military-Kabul puppet regime meetings LOL except the ones in denial much like you. This happened after they(Pak military and Kabul puppet regime) went on separate trips to Washington to coerce Obama to reverse his decision for a full US withdrawal. They even went to US defense department, and Ghani made a speech to Congress talking about a manufactured ISIS threat- all this to shamelessly pressure Obama to reverse his decision. Well, it failed, and thats why they are meeting. They don't know where they will get the US $$ from?

I think it is you who thinks Ghani is some superhero with a cape LOL

[Insight]

The short answer is the US is leaving and the dollars are drying up.

[Insight]

Exactly.

Both the Pak military and the Afghan gov rely on the US for life support. With Obama saying NO, they have to cooperate against their own people to survive. The Paki establishment has more to lose than the Kabul regime. The Kabul regime is going down anyways, they should do their best to take the Paki's down with them.

If you look at the chronology of events in my previous post (you replied to), you can see the timing of trips by Pak military and Kabul puppet regimes. They really thought US would stay forever, and that remember was the mantra they kept repeating over and over.

[marwat]

Pakistan has always used her geolocation as a tool to undermine Afghanistan. As one of the Pakistani generally has said "God bless Durand and British for giving us a tremendous strategic advantage over Afghanistan." Indeed to this end Shia Ali Jannah even bestow half of Baluchistan to his Shia brothers Iran--in order to close the cycle around Afghanistan. The key was to keep Afghanistan land lock--anytime they wanted they can shut down tread route and Afghanistan can do nothing. Worst Pakistan still uses terrorism as arm of her foreign--Afghanistan policy. Haqani and co still enjoy safe heaven and were left unaffected from Waziristan operation. The question is what can Afghanistan use as leverage? The answer is very simple---Water---dam on Punjshir, Kunar, Laghman and Kabul rivers. The problem is not Pakis, the Kabul gov and lack of ability. Indeed, the question is even if Pakistan brings their proxy-Taliban to table what are the grantees they will not use terrorism to destroy Afghanistan—Kabul must be burn. We Afghan have lost everything so better to burn Pakistan so in future our children will not be on guard against evil from Pakistan.

No man, i don't agree, however the water game will tell all those dirty pashtun on lar side where they belong. they will die without Afghanistan for sure. they will eventually know they are dependent on kabul.

[marwat]

Durrand line agreement was already signed in 1919. If Afghanistan can't accept this fact then there is no point to sign anything now. What if Ghani sign it? Couple of years later some new leader will start to cry once again.

Its not like Pakistan is even asking, durrand line issue only exist among minorty of Afghanistan people.

hmm do you know how CIA have a legal way of operating drones inside pakistan?

[marwat]

Oh ****, Talib super heroes will bring down both Afghan and Pakistani government.. this is a new height of lunacy. What a knuckleheads. Talibs without ISI handlers will not last a year. They are by far more stupid than even Ghundak Khan (Insigh aka unknown price), but again Ghundak Khan must be playing stupid and feigning knowing his immediate family are in ISI.

Ghundak Khan you must be watching too many super hero films and smoking a lot of marijuana.

comrade, pakistan don't have direct influence over Afghan taliban as they have over other islamic militants groups. the fact is ISI is blackmailing Afghan taliban as they black mailed Al-qaeda by holding Osama. most of the senior Afghan taliban leadership and their families are either at ISI safe house or political prisoner under home arrest.

[marwat]

Wait, in other tread you ask us Afghan to settle our Pashtunistan issue with them Pakis and now you alleged Ghani will ink Durand?
As I stated in my pervious reply, Pakistan has used Islam and Islamic identity to neutralize/marginalize Pashtun nationalism and dilute Pashtun identity. Mind you the underlying reason for Pakistan's support of Islamist(terrorist and extremist) movements in Afghanistan have absolutely nothing to do with religion or any pretense to moral virtue. For this purpose, over the years Ponjabis conveniently nurtured in Pashton Nationalism place an Islamic Nationalism, which defied geographic boundaries among Muslims. It was a clever poly giving Afghan nationalism in reality is Pashtun nationalism which give Pakistan and its coward military “leverage over Afghanistan” as you had put it. However the rule of game has change, Afghanistan no longer limit herself to promoting nationalism—both Baloch and Pashtun, thanks to Karzi(With all his corruption and short coming) Afghanistan has started to cultivate the Islamic options for it has a lot of teeth and can bite really hard too. The only leverage Pakistan will have is economy until Chakhabar option is utilized and even that will fade. The basic truth is Pakistan as a nation is very fragile, the country has already been divided once in 65+ existences, one you take down the only power that keeps it together—military will go down like house of card.

you need to have at least your own sustainable economy, organized military and some good weapon until you go for this option. otherwise foreign donor will run away and kabul will fall as it did in past despite of heavy weaponry, scud missile, battle tanks, fighter jets and hundred of helicopters. soviet union was donating 5 to 10 billion dollar every years to sustain Najeeb regime. when money stopped, everything stopped. now you will have an idea war is fought with money not with ego as you are pursuing here.