Punjabis-where are your heroes, martyrs, and freedom fighters?

[tilla_jogian]

Punjabis have a noble prize winner for physics who they didnt respect. Dr. Abdul salam (a qadiani)

Everyone respect him a part from jahil mullahs.

[tripledouble]

Rashid Minhas shaheed, chose to give his life instead of landing plane in enemy territory



Raja Aziz Bhatti shaheed, lost his life defending Lahore in '65 war



List of Punjabi & non Punjabi martyrs of Pak army

https://www.pakistanarmy.gov.pk/AWPReview/TextContent.aspx?pId=31&rnd=181

[tripledouble]

King Porus was a son of the soil, ruling Paurava kingdom stretching from Jhelum to Chenab rivers in what is now present-day west Punjab, he and his men fought hard against Alexander & his men (326 BCE), he was follower of ancient Vedic religion

[tilla_jogian]

King Porus was a son of the soil, ruling Paurava kingdom stretching from Jhelum to Chenab rivers in what is now present-day west Punjab, he and his men fought hard against Alexander & his men (326 BCE), he was follower of ancient Vedic religion

True, Porus ruled current day Gujrat, Mandibahuddin districts. Gujrat alone has given Pakistan 3 nishane haiders. Aziz Bhatti, Mohammad Akram, Shabir Shareef. And now Raheel Sharif will probably be remembered as best COAS Pakistan ever had.

Today Gujrat is also playing important role to get rid of terrorists.

KHARIAN: The army is employing some rather interesting methods at a training site tucked in a forest in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, where the military says 65 per cent of troops fighting Operation Zarb-e-Azb are being trained.

Earlier this month, the military took The Washington Post on a rare public tour of the 2,500-acre facility, which opened in 2009. According to the Post article, as many as 3,000 soldiers arrive each month for two dozen training scenarios, some of which are staged in a set made to look like a typical village in Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata).

“This is a complete architectural rendition, from the interior to the exterior to the foxholes, of what you would see in FATA,” Maj. Nauman Mushtaq said as he led a reporter through a muddy tunnel that started in one house and ended in another.

While training at this site does include live-fire exercises, the army is also relying heavily on paintballs for its simulated war games. One section of the sprawling National Counterterrorism Center Pabbi is dedicated to these paintball fights. Soldiers armed with paintball guns face off in a field about the size of a volleyball court, exchanging at least 2,000 paintballs during one training session.

A soldier shot above the chest with a paintball is considered killed, while three or more shots below the waist lead to ejection from the drill.
According to Maj. Khalid Waleed, the training techniques are designed to make troops more comfortable with “close-quarters battles close to the ground.”

Another part of the base houses a mock two-story cave with a window on the second floor which allows troops to look into the cave. A computerised camera system and mannequins are used to fire paintballs at soldiers inside.
A demonstration involved three soldiers throwing flash bangs before storming a cave, battling their computer-controlled opponent while taking cover behind rocks. Two soldiers escaped without any injury, but a third was left rubbing off paint off his neck.

Read: Pakistan army battles Taliban for strategic valley
In another exercise, soldiers are taught who to kill first when shooting from a moving truck. The instruction is fairly simple; the assailant closest to the vehicle is shot at first since they could be a suicide bomber. In another noteworthy exercise, troops are taught how to rescue someone while still using both hands to fire their weapons with shoulders being used to carry the person being rescued.

A Pakistani soldier carries ammunition used in training at the National Counter Terrorism Centre Pabbi in Punjab province. PHOTO COURTESY: THE WASHINGTON POST

Another interesting unconventional tactic being used by the army at the training base involves bird calls. In the exercise, a soldier hides in a tree in what looks like a large nest. The soldier then uses one of many bird calls that he has been taught when he spots a potential target. Then, under the tree, soldiers concealed in a small pit covered with sticks and grass climb out and begin shooting.

“The terrorists don’t suspect us to use these tactics, so when we do, they are really badly trapped,” said Brig Abrar Ali, commander of the center.
He went on to add that fighting against militancy in Pakistan’s northern areas demanded an evolution of battle tactics. “In our experience, this is not a battle with large forces. We have to learn how to fight in very small teams,” Ali added.

Lt Col Kashif Amin, who leads a cavalry regiment of 44 tanks based in Lahore, brought 400 soldiers for training at Pabi since tanks are of little operational use in rugged North Waziristan.
“Especially for the younger soldiers, this is more challenging because they were trained for armored operations but will now be doing infantry,” Amin said.

Still, Ali concedes that the military is battling an enemy who will probably always have some advantage when fighting in Pakistan’s tribal areas. He notes that many militants use the same stealth tactics that they or their fathers perfected as mujahideen fighters who resisted the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s.

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“The only specialized training they need is how to make [bombs],” Ali said.
Pakistani commanders and troops say the training conducted at the National Counterterrorism Center Pabbi is what is really allowing them to gain the upper hand against militants. Since the army launched a major operation in June, soldiers have cleared most of North Waziristan. They are now trying to drive the extremists from their final hiding places in the Tirah Valley, in adjoining Khyber Agency, commanders say.

“These Taliban are dug in the caves, so you can’t do it by aerial bombardment,” said Javed Ashraf Qazi, a retired general and former head of Pakistan’s intelligence service. “You have to go in there and physically dislodge them.”

Paintballs and bird calls: Army double down on unorthodox tactics against Taliban

[Smarty]

The Awan chief of Kalabagh , Allah Yar Khan, joined Khalsa army led by Raja Suchet Singh and Fateh Singh Mann, in 1830, and led a portion of Sikh army against Niazis who were concentrated in Kotki fort. (Niazis had massacred the Sikh Garrison in fort at Isa Khel in 1829 and also had occupied the fort of Trag, the Sikh garrison of which had escaped to Attock. The entire details can be read at "Central Asia Part II", Vol-I by MacGREGOR, p-654.)

[Shehbaz Khan]

Look around.. What are our problems? Do we still need to discuss such things?

[Toramana]

Bhai mere Porus, Baghat Singh, ranjeet singh and Hari singh nalwa are considered ancient Pakistanis as well.

And in another thread you are calling me a Sikh boy for admiring some of Sikhs's values and now here you are trying to own Sikh heroes to score a point. Proverbial opportunism.

[Toramana]

Rashid Minhas shaheed, chose to give his life instead of landing plane in enemy territory



Raja Aziz Bhatti shaheed, lost his life defending Lahore in '65 war



List of Punjabi & non Punjabi martyrs of Pak army
https://www.pakistanarmy.gov.pk/AWPR...pId=31&rnd=181

Lol---that is all gup shup. Never trust that. Medals of bravery etc. are given in Pakistani army through bribery, favouritism, and nepotism.

[tilla_jogian]

And in another thread you are calling me a Sikh boy for admiring some of Sikhs's values and now here you are trying to own Sikh heroes to score a point. Proverbial opportunism.

Your love for sikhs is gayish, I am just pointing out these people are ethnic Pakistanis. Sikhsm is religion. Porus was also ethnic Pakistani.

[Toramana]

Your love for sikhs is gayish, I am just pointing out these people are ethnic Pakistanis. Sikhsm is religion. Porus was also ethnic Pakistani.

Moron Pakistan has never existed in history as a distinct culture or ethnicity. You are an integral part of the ethno-cultural miliu across Wahga and Punjabi ethnicity itself started arising around 15th-16th Century.

Sikhs are the real core Punjabis; you are just an identity sticken hodgepodge trying to define yourself sometimes in as bizzare ways as above but things will return to the natural order and you will again return to the natural order i.e. will become a part of Indo-Gangetic mother culture.

[tilla_jogian]

Moron Pakistan has never existed in history as a distinct culture or ethnicity. You are an integral part of the ethno-cultural miliu across Wahga and Punjabi ethnicity itself started arising around 15th-16th Century.

Sikhs are the real core Punjabis; you are just an identity sticken hodge are trying to define sometimes in as bizzare ways as above but things will return to the natural order and you will again return to the natural order i.e. will become a part of Indo-Gangetic mother culture.

Abhe donku when Afghanis can invent their 5000 years old civilization yet you have problem with ethnic ancient Pakistanis who are not mythical figures but well documented historically. Lanat on you and your sikh lovers

[Smarty]

Moron Pakistan has never existed in history as a distinct culture or ethnicity. You are an integral part of the ethno-cultural miliu across Wahga and Punjabi ethnicity itself started arising around 15th-16th Century.

Sikhs are the real core Punjabis; you are just an identity sticken hodgepodge trying to define yourself sometimes in as bizzare ways as above but things will return to the natural order and you will again return to the natural order i.e. will become a part of Indo-Gangetic mother culture.

It seems to be your are among the descendent of Hari Singh nalwa forces who raped your paracha women , it is evident from your affinity for napak sikhs.

[tripledouble]

Lol---that is all gup shup. Never trust that. Medals of bravery etc. are given in Pakistani army through bribery, favouritism, and nepotism.

yeah right, they were dead before given medals, both true stories of valor, one chose death rather than surrendering to enemy, other chose fighting India in Lahore till he was martyred

you can deny as typical ethnofascists who hate all things pakistani

[tripledouble]

Moron Pakistan has never existed in history as a distinct culture or ethnicity. You are an integral part of the ethno-cultural miliu across Wahga and Punjabi ethnicity itself started arising around 15th-16th Century.

Sikhs are the real core Punjabis; you are just an identity sticken hodgepodge trying to define yourself sometimes in as bizzare ways as above but things will return to the natural order and you will again return to the natural order i.e. will become a part of Indo-Gangetic mother culture.

Punjab is not part of gangetic culture, but culture of IVC.

btw, you should learn the word 'proto', punjab may not have existed more than 500 years ago but land was there, the ancestors of modern day punjabis were there, so if afghanis can brag about '5000' y/o origination then no reason why others can't and your Kasabgar ancestors are part of same "indo-gangetic" civilization ur mocking

[Toramana]

It seems to be your are among the descendent of Hari Singh nalwa forces who raped your paracha women , it is evident from your affinity for napak sikhs.

Chap ka nim kwani Punjabiya--warsha da khpalo nayakano kwana wasata---