Punjabis-where are your heroes, martyrs, and freedom fighters?

[Smarty]

Chap ka nim kwani Punjabiya--warsha da khpalo nayakano kwana wasata---

Kharkusa, what are you doing on a "Pashtun" forum?. Why you say "we" and "us"?

[khushal]

Look around.. What are our problems? Do we still need to discuss such things?

The reason your problem exists is because you bomb your own people.

[tripledouble]

The reason your problem exists is because you bomb your own people.

like these Afghan soldiers who bombed a wedding in helmand?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/01/us-afghanistan-civilians-idUSKBN0KA1CY20150101

tsk tsk

[khushal]

like these Afghan soldiers who bombed a wedding in helmand?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/01/us-afghanistan-civilians-idUSKBN0KA1CY20150101

tsk tsk

correct. same thing. The afghan gov and pakistani gov are their people worst enemies who serve the interests of the hegemonic power instead of their own people. hence the problems .

[Loy Afghanistan]

correct. same thing. The afghan gov and pakistani gov are their people worst enemies who serve the interests of the hegemonic power instead of their own people. hence the problems .

Biggest truth ever spoken on PF.

Today's AFG gov is dogs, not one single clear thinking Pashtun has denied it. But Porki gov has been dogs and slaves since the begging of their 50-60 year history. And that is not a statement, that's A FACT, that many cow piss drinking former caste system low life's "pakistanis" and other miserably mix raced filths denying and dying for it blindly.

[Shehbaz Khan]

The reason your problem exists is because you bomb your own people.

The reason my problems exist or in a way to find their solution doesn't include this topic, ' Punjabis-where are your heroes, martyrs, and freedom fighters?'

[khushal]

Your the one who brought up "problems" into this thread.

[Toramana]

correct. same thing. The afghan gov and pakistani gov are their people worst enemies who serve the interests of the hegemonic power instead of their own people. hence the problems .

You should be a little bit fair and should not be entirely driven by pro-ISIS sentiments. The Afghan situation is different and the Afghan army action is not that discriminate and heavy-handed.

Alas you spare no opportunity to push in your extremist agenda.

[Bengal_Tiger]

You should be a little bit fair and should not be entirely driven by pro-ISIS sentiments. The Afghan situation is different and the Afghan army action is not that discriminate and heavy-handed.

Alas you spare no opportunity to push in your extremist agenda.

Apart from BarakzaiAbdali whom I respect, no one has bothered to give any meaningful answers to the questions in this thread:

Taliban's policies for Afghanistan, link.

[Yousufzai]

Apart from BarakzaiAbdali whom I respect, no one has bothered to give any meaningful answers to the questions in this thread:

Taliban's policies for Afghanistan, link.

Condemning the ANA for its crimes doesn't automatically mean you support the Taliban. We can say no to both.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Condemning the ANA for its crimes doesn't automatically mean you support the Taliban. We can say no to both.

That's a valid point.

Actually condemning ANA crimes is healthy because if it helps to stop these atrocities the better.

However let's just say that someone had a neutral stance to the "Taliban" or "Conservative Pashtun resistance" (i.e. a heterogeneous group of rural Pashtuns with conservative values + Taliban + Hekmatyar's Hezb i Islami fighters etc), the question is what policies do they have for the Afghan people if they ever rule Afghanistan?

I am a foreigner so have no right to tell the Afghan people what to do, but...the Afghan people have a right to know what their potential future ruler's policies are.

[Yousufzai]

However let's just say that someone had a neutral stance to the "Taliban" or "Conservative Pashtun resistance" (i.e. a heterogeneous group of rural Pashtuns with conservative values + Taliban + Hekmatyar's Hezb i Islami fighters etc), the question is what policies do they have for the Afghan people if they ever rule Afghanistan?

No real policies or initiatives. Even if the Taliban realized their mistakes, were to become more inclusive, and had relatively pragmatic guys like Abdul Salaam Zaeef at the front, I don't see what real change they could bring about. Maybe corruption, instability, drugs, and U.S. control wouldn't be an issue, but we'd also see serious human rights abuses and an attack on basic civil liberties. Maybe Pakistan and Saudi Arabia would completely control Afghanistan's foreign policy again. And I have no idea what would happen to the economy.

If you look at the Taliban (the ones at the very bottom, not their Pakistani or Saudi handlers), they were generally very simple people, and I'm sure their intentions were good. Some of them genuinely wanted to change their country, but they're stuck in the past. Even with a lot of reform and change, I'd bet a Taliban government in Afghanistan would look like the Pakistani Jamaat-e-Islami. Well, we had their government in Pakhtunkhwa, and it was terrible.

It should be noted, however, that for Pashtuns who live outside of the cities (a large percentage of the Afghan population), whether the Taliban or the current government rule is completely irrelevant. Maybe they'd even prefer the Taliban, I don't know.

And you're right about this being ultimately something for the Afghans to decide on their own.

[khushal]

No real policies or initiatives. Even if the Taliban realized their mistakes, were to become more inclusive, and had relatively pragmatic guys like Abdul Salaam Zaeef at the front, I don't see what real change they could bring about. Maybe corruption, instability, drugs, and U.S. control wouldn't be an issue, but we'd also see serious human rights abuses and an attack on basic civil liberties. Maybe Pakistan and Saudi Arabia would completely control Afghanistan's foreign policy again. And I have no idea what would happen to the economy.

If you look at the Taliban (the ones at the very bottom, not their Pakistani or Saudi handlers), they were generally very simple people, and I'm sure their intentions were good. Some of them genuinely wanted to change their country, but they're stuck in the past. Even with a lot of reform and change, I'd bet a Taliban government in Afghanistan would look like the Pakistani Jamaat-e-Islami. Well, we had their government in Pakhtunkhwa, and it was terrible.

It should be noted, however, that for Pashtuns who live outside of the cities (a large percentage of the Afghan population), whether the Taliban or the current government rule is completely irrelevant. Maybe they'd even prefer the Taliban, I don't know.

And you're right about this being ultimately something for the Afghans to decide on their own.

As long as Afghanistan is landlocked, other powers would have leverage over its foreign policy. But one can not ignore the fact that under the Taliban, its foreign policy was more independent than the current gov or the ones that preceded it.

[khushal]

You should be a little bit fair and should not be entirely driven by pro-ISIS sentiments. The Afghan situation is different and the Afghan army action is not that discriminate and heavy-handed.

Alas you spare no opportunity to push in your extremist agenda.

You sound like Hitler, any German who criticized his agenda was automatically a Jew lover and against the German cause or like George Bush, any American who opposed the Iraq war was automatically unpatriotic and a terrorist lover.

The AfPAk policies are stupid and creates nothing but instability that prolongs the suffering of the helpless and the defenseless.

Extremism is the product of stupid policies that you promote. You are hypocrite if you criticize pak policies and admire the Afghan gov policies when in reality they are exactly the same.

[Toramana]

As long as Afghanistan is landlocked, other powers would have leverage over its foreign policy. But one can not ignore the fact that under the Taliban, its foreign policy was more independent than the current gov or the ones that preceded it.

Lol-Independent, how much? They were being controlled from the ISI headquarters in Rawalpindi and one petty ISI officer that was later killed by TTP in Waziristan was acting as their boss. Frankly Khushal, the pro-ISIS and Taleban sympathies sometimes motivates you make any claim no matter how bizarre.