How Islamic Extremists Quote the Quran

[Badlun]

Your guilty of "quote mining." Quote mining (also contextomy) is the fallacious tactic of taking quotes out of context in order to make them seemingly agree with the quote miner's viewpoint or to make the comments of an opponent seem more extreme or hold positions they don't in order to make their positions easier to refute or demonize.[1] It's a way of lying.

You have to put the full verse in which is :


“Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. And kill them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. The prohibited month, for the prohibited month, and so for all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.” (al-Baqarah 2:190-194)




“They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): so take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (from what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks. Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (Of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then Allah hath opened no way for you (to war against them). Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto; if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them; in their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them. (Al-Nisa’ 4:89-91)



5:32-34 ...If any one slew a person - unless it be as punishment for murder or for spreading corruption in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.





9:5-6 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

These sites are Islamophobic sites meant to spread hatred in the land. Something that your criticizing the hole Quran for.

These verses you speak of are for defense, not offense. One also has to look at when the verses where given in what environment. Remember the Muslims at the time were the oppressed and driven out from Mecca.[/QUOTE
This is a genuine response. However the full verses do not change the theme. This is war against those who reject Islam. Only if you apply it to muhammad times only then its ok.

[کیش]

Whats wrong with being a Salafi. Whoever follows the way of the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) belongs to the salaf al-saalih.

I get labeled as a "Salafi" all the time in-person, and online but if you are a believer, you are indeed a Salafi.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Whats wrong with being a Salafi. Whoever follows the way of the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) belongs to the salaf al-saalih.

I get labeled as a "Salafi" all the time in-person, and online but if you are a believer, you are indeed a Salafi.

These are just terms many use to label an adversary that they fear or because they are afraid of "popular opinion." Its easy, when every TV set is blaring and very magazine is splashing aggressive covers to get scared and limit the use of logic and truth searching/fact finding faculties in the human brain and replace that with what I call "lay down and play dead/submission" mode thinking.

It is easier when the conflict doesn't involve a trait or meme associated with one's self. My point for Karachi et al is not to deny or dismiss the fertilizer/money the Saudis throw at various groups. Heck, it may not even be official policy and it may very well be underground Saudi money, but that is beside the point. No intelligence agency in the world (even the CIA) can build a group like the Contras (for example) and get away with it without being noticed.

These guys choose feast on conspiracy theories that involve Prince Turki Al Faisal somehow having 9 arms and 9 feet and a foot in every troubled nation and basically out of scratch building militancy groups.

The reality is that the groups are responses to pressures/troubles/interventionalism in their locale and various powers (Iran/Saudi/America/etc) all capitalize and use these groups which may have legitimate grievances to their advantage.

If Karachi has a such a hard time with it, I would ask him to consider the Irish Republican Army. So now, we all know that Sinn Fein and some of those radical irish groups used unsavory methodology - but the reality was that the Catholic Irish faced immense discrimination and in general Irish independence movement chafed under Britain. Its not as if the IRA just came out of nowhere.

I just laugh when I see these comments because these sorts of folks live in a make believe world and see the world as they want it to be, not as it is.

[khushal]

This is a genuine response. However the full verses do not change the theme. This is war against those who reject Islam. Only if you apply it to muhammad times only then its ok.

Did you even read the study? The study concludes the opposite of what your saying.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Did you even read the study? The study concludes the opposite of what your saying.

lol, Data guides smart people - agenda laced people just reimpose their own biases and avoid taking on the data or argument.

I will say, with some curiosity, that Khostai was probably the only person that presented a legitimate question/possible counterpoint after examining the hypothesis, data, and time range of data collected. The rest of them are just nonplussed that the evidence contradicts their preferred non reality. They have to dig deeper into their psyche to justify their cognitive dissonance or secondary gain.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

If Egyptians don't like el Sisi then they can come out in the same numbers when they overthrew Mubarak. Something tells me they're fine with the way things are, because the alternative is a Muslim Brotherhood fascist state. The pro MB people are a minority in Egypt and should learn their place.

And something tells me your brain power is lacking. MB won 52% in the legitimate official election pre coup.

And in the parliament:

The Muslim Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party (FJP) won the largest number of seats under Egypt's complex electoral system.

The hardline Salafist Nour party came second.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-16665748

The overall results mean that Islamist parties control around two-thirds of the seats in the assembly, though the final share out of seats is not yet known.

Once again pre the coup instigated by your boyfriend.

Perhaps those remaining neurons in your brain should consider the fact that massacring nearly 1000 people in a day post coup

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/16/rabaa-massacre-egypt-human-rights-watch

The Brotherhood is still Egypt's largest civil group, with hundreds of thousands of members, and an even wider net of sympathisers

And

Of course the public murder of a secular female poet by Sisi sure doesnt promote legitimate protest my small minded friend:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/04/world/middleeast/shaimaa-el-sabbagh-tahrir-square-killing-angers-egyptians.html?_r=0

The article described the death of Shaima Al Sabbagh (non Muslim brotherhood) at the hands of Army thugs and goons in broad daylight as she was mowed down in Tahrir.

and of course Sisi and Co arresting witnesses to that crime who offered testimony to the prosecutor sure doesnt inspire "confidence" in open protesting:

CAIRO: Five eyewitnesses to the murder of a prominent activist shot dead in Cairo last weekend were arrested and charged after offering to give evidence to a public prosecutor investigating the case, a number of eyewitnesses, activists and human rights organisations have said.

But its ok, your monkey boyfriend can keep selling them the arms they use to kill secularist female poets:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/31/obama-lifts-freeze-weapons-transfer-egyptian-dictator/

[khushal]

The irrational rants vs the Evidence.
Superstition vs Science.

People like Badlun and Toramana and this persiofascist have kept the Middle East in the dark ages.

[Khostai]

Also time doesn't degrade a good study. In medicine we still refer to the COURAGE trial though it is many years old. Its the quality and impact factor that matter. Your points on current movements and whether the results apply are good though and food for thought.

Medical study is not the same as social study about humans, humans change scientific facts that are proven do not. You can not compare those two, as a janitor in a hospital I hoped you would have learned something, but I guess wahabist are not capable of learning, only copieng.

And you still ignore the massive propaganda that is spread from the bigest extremist in the world and how they want to convert the whole world in to Islam. Every single extremist I came in contact want to spread strict shariah around the globe. None is reactionary or a victim of the system like you want it to be.
Muslims are not weak minded victims. Stop making it look like that, becuase that is discriminatory.
All of them are grown up people with their own agenda. And that agenda is cristal clear.

[Khostai]

It amases me how after so much bloodshed by extremist like the ISIS (who cwant the whole world to become under their Sharia law, plus distruction of the west) in irak and Syria, Boko Haram (who publicaly want Sharia in Nigeria and now affiliats with ISIS in their global Sharia plan) in Negeria, Al Shabab (Who want global sharia with ISIS and destruction of the West) in Keny, you donkeys still make excuses for this animals.
Instead of looking for solution and thinking how the muslim world can be saved from the dark ages that we are in, you imbecils protect and even defend this animals.
I guess you are animals youself if you like to watch people killed and buried in mass graves. I really wonder how you even sleep at night after you support and defend such animals. And portray them as victims, its just beyond me.

But you know what they say, birds of a feather flock toghether.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

@Al_Afghani


this is actually a fallacy that's been debunked entirely; there isn't any way 200,000 people could even fit into Tahrir Square, nevermind 14 Million.

Here's an article that debunks your claim.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/resources/commentary-and-analysis/6574-30-june-anti-morsi-crowd-figures-just-dont-add-up

In fact the counter protests were said to be much larger because they were in much more cities and rural towns.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-23695421

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Medical study is not the same as social study about humans, humans change scientific facts that are proven do not. You can not compare those two, as a janitor in a hospital I hoped you would have learned something, but I guess wahabist are not capable of learning, only copieng.

And you still ignore the massive propaganda that is spread from the bigest extremist in the world and how they want to convert the whole world in to Islam. Every single extremist I came in contact want to spread strict shariah around the globe. None is reactionary or a victim of the system like you want it to be.
Muslims are not weak minded victims. Stop making it look like that, becuase that is discriminatory.
All of them are grown up people with their own agenda. And that agenda is cristal clear.

Wrong d-umb-as-s; medical knowledge BUILDS on prior medical knowledge in large scale trials. COURAGE as a trial doesnt get dismissed, but rather refined as more trials are done.

I had some hope that you had begun progressing from full re-tard to 90% retard - but it seems your powers of analysis are lacking. You couldn't answer even a single point in the genesis of ISIS that bought up. Instead you had to resort to citing some random guys you met on the street in whatever Euro-trash neighborhood you reside in. Even that example makes you look stupid because the whole POINT of the article is to discuss VIOLENT extremism - not some wannabe fools that associate with a flat -head hybrid like you.

LOL- lets look at which one of us is on the pathway to janitorial school. I will do what I do best - smash you with evidence and you will do what you do best - look like a mental handicap.

Here is a blast from the past attached below. Lets examine shall we?

Like some sort of slow-tard you write:

1. "me have trouble whith learning" - caveman grammer shines through indicating your cromagnon DNA dominates.
2. Me FAIL 3 GRADE SCHOOL exams (crying like a little b-itch)
3. You cant even spell "pass" right so your chances of passing the other 8 are null.

Get hooked on phonics, and do it quickly because then at least you can try to do vocational school.

Think about it like this, at best your opinion and your contributions here align you with some retarded Euro Trash girl that is pretty much a xenophobic crooked teeth fool who relies on spreading idiotic crap like this:
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthr...t=snowden+ISIS

only to get crushed:
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthr...hlight=snowden

The both of you together should get married and produce offspring with at least two firing neurons instead of the one decrepit one each of you operate on currently.

Here are some softballs to resolve the issue and so that you can "pass your exams"

1) What is your version of the history of ISIS - who are they and where did they come from?
2) Same for Shabab. Tell us their history and how they arose.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Khostai forgets that over 200,000 Syrian citizens have been killed by Assad's forces ALONE. This shadows the deaths caused by ISIS in both Syria and Iraq He forgets the secularists were complicit in the systemetic death of 1 Million Afghans. From where it stands it seems KHostai has been the one shifting blame and making excuses.

and actually I am secular myself but I won't stand behind these mentally colonized House Slaves of Western Imperialism. Seriously you don't belong here.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

If Egyptians don't like el Sisi then they can come out in the same numbers when they overthrew Mubarak. Something tells me they're fine with the way things are, because the alternative is a Muslim Brotherhood fascist state. The pro MB people are a minority in Egypt and should learn their place.

Except for the fact that widespread massacres were being done in Egypt when they were protesting the Egyptian Military; of which Al-Sisi was/is apart of.

It's probably more to do with wanting to survive because they're under threat of a brutal dictator than "things are fine the way they are" Kind of strange how you're suggesting Sisi isn't running a fascist state when they actually are trying to control social opinion.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Khostai forgets that over 200,000 Syrian citizens have been killed by Assad's forces ALONE. This shadows the deaths caused by ISIS in both Syria and Iraq

He forgets the secularists were complicit in the systemetic death of 1 Million Afghans.

From where it stands it seems KHostai has been the one shifting blame and making excuses.

and actually I am secular myself but I won't stand behind these mentally colonized House Slaves of Western Imperialism. Seriously you don't belong here.

Unfortunately, the quality of Europe's "Universities" is in question because this half-wit is actually in one. My hope is that uni is European for pre-school.

The issue with these people is not the normal "everyone has biases" problem that plagues all human beings... their issue is that they approach every issue and problem with an almost religious over zealous "faith based?" belief that what their mommys and daddys taught them and what their circle jerk group of washed up communists and "nationalists" conveyed to them is the gospel truth.

Any subsequent data that comes their way that doesn't align with their thought process, despite how robust it may be, is summarily dismissed. WHen counter points that they cannot answer are raised - they resort to the media line and peer pressure politics that their local white "massa" shouts at them.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

The Strange this is .....that this thread and the article DISASSOCIATES from the Extremist/Mass Murdering narrative of ISIL......yet Khostai keeps rambling about people making excuses for ISIL ....who here supports ISIL? I haven't seen anyone here even say a positive thing about those creeps.

Khostai creates his own Straw-Man Universe apparently.