How Islamic Extremists Quote the Quran

[khushal]

I quoted the quote from the same article, how does that not confirm they are salafi, again there are hundreds of articles on the net showing that ISIS are Salafis. Answer me why do ISIS destroy shrines, graves and ancient sites, is that not a salafi practice?

What? The quote about former baathist officers recall friends who stopped drinking and start praying. So a person that pray and dont drink is a Salafi? What kind of logic is that?

You can't even read your own article: The article is saying the opposite of what your saying.

Whether the former Baathists adhere to the Islamic State’s ideology is a matter of debate. Hashim suspects many of them do not.

“One could still argue that it’s a tactical alliance,” he said. “A lot of these Baathists are not interested in ISIS running Iraq. They want to run Iraq. A lot of them view the jihadists with this Leninist mind-set that they’re useful idiots who we can use to rise to power.”

and then it says this:

Former Baathist officers who served alongside some of those now fighting with the Islamic State believe it is the other way around. Rather than the Baathists using the jihadists to return to power, it is the jihadists who have exploited the desperation of the disbanded officers, according to a former general who commanded Iraqi troops during the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990 and the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003. He spoke on the condition of anonymity because he fears for his safety in Irbil, the capital of the northern Iraqi region of Kurdistan, where he now resides.

The ex-Baathists could be lured away, if they were offered alternatives and hope for the future, he said.

So its an alliance that is the result of Malaki's Shia centric policies and the marginalization of Sunnis. see here:

But most of the Baathists who actually joined the Islamic State are now likely to have themselves become radicalized, either in prison or on the battlefield, he said.

“Even if you didn’t walk in with that vision you might walk out with it, after five years of hard fighting,” said Fishman, of the New America Foundation. “They have been through brutal things that are going to shape their vision in a really dramatic way.”

Radicalization is a process. Backlash from intervention, invasion, bombings is the trigger to start the process.

[کیش]

Basically everything, your hate for others, your arrogance. The Salafis I meet here in Canada are probably the most arrogant/proud people I have met in my life. I consider Salafi/Wahabhis to be the most anti Islam people, they are destroying Islam from within

The words "Salafi" and "Muslim" mean the same thing. so i dont understand the double emphasis in saying someone is a "Salafi Muslim." That doesn't make sense.


You are sounding like a Ayan Hirsi Ali. With your whole "Islam need to be reformed" argument.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

You are sounding like a Ayan Hirsi Ali. With your whole "Islam need to be reformed" argument.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali doesn't want Islam reformed, she wants Islam to end. she's much more brazen than say your Badlun types who dance around it.

[Karachi]

This is a good video on ISIS and Wahabhis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=staMI7DoO-E

the comment below from Saudi guy even sums it up:

"I am from Saudi Arabia and admit it.. The ideology of ISIS and the ideology of religious people in Saudi Arabia are the same. It's either me or you. Religious people have been dictating people in Saudi Arabia by forcing them to act in such a way and dress in such a way, especially women dressing. They even discriminate women in Saudi Arabia considering them as less then men. Their influence on the society is really awful and does not belong to this century"

[Karachi]

The words "Salafi" and "Muslim" mean the same thing. so i dont understand the double emphasis in saying someone is a "Salafi Muslim." That doesn't make sense.


You are sounding like a Ayan Hirsi Ali. With your whole "Islam need to be reformed" argument.

Ok just call yourself Wahabhi then

[Karachi]

What? The quote about former baathist officers recall friends who stopped drinking and start praying. So a person that pray and dont drink is a Salafi? What kind of logic is that?

You can't even read your own article: The article is saying the opposite of what your saying.


and then it says this:


So its an alliance that is the result of Malaki's Shia centric policies and the marginalization of Sunnis. see here:


Radicalization is a process. Backlash from intervention, invasion, bombings is the trigger to start the process.

The trigger may have been anything, be it Malaki's Shia centric policies, or Asad regime, my argument is not why they were created, it is who they were influenced by. This is why they are so brutal. ISIS is a perfect reflection of the most brutal form of Wahabhism. ISIS doesn't just kill Shias, it kills everyone, including Sunnis. They destroy Shrines and ancient sites on a regular basis, what have they done??? clearly they are wahabis

[کیش]

Ok just call yourself Wahabhi then

Do you even know what you're talking about anymore? A "Wahhabi" would be someone who follows ibn Abdul-Wahhab, as if he was a Prophet. Nobody does that.

you're Repeating these uneducated insults as if you are a CNN host reading cue cards. What's next, calling Muslims a Mohammedan?

[Karachi]

Do you even know what you're talking about anymore? A "Wahhabi" would be someone who follows ibn Abdul-Wahhab, as if he was a Prophet. Nobody does that.

you're Repeating these uneducated insults as if you are a CNN host reading cue cards. What's next, calling Muslims a Mohammedan?

so dont saudis and you people follow him?

You supported ISIS at the beginning, I perfectly remember that, obviously because they follow the same doctrine as you

[Brown Skinned Savage]

I'm not taking sides here .....but let's stop playing naive or dumb about things.

The word 'Salafi" might derive from the term "Salaf Al-Saliheen" but everyone knows that in modern context the term "Salafi" is in reference to individuals with a certain ideological bent who behave and argue in a certain way based on a certain set of assumptions. Likewise with Wahhabi, we don't have to play coy and dance around with word games.

It'd be like someone saying the word "Imperialist" and then someone else responding "What's wrong with Imperialist? All Imperial means is something related to an empire, what's wrong with empires?"

From now on it should be understood that Salafi refers to those whack job zagnuts who think God sits on a throne in a corporeal body, think Qur'an is literal about everything, and nitpick over beard length and whether your pants are rolled up among other idiosyncracies related to Salafism is a Salafi.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

baathists who have been influenced by the Salafi/Wahabhi ideology

Do you understand what baathism is and was? You need to think deeply about that so you do not look ignorant. A short summary is that it was a secular Arab national movement. So once again, you are missing the point, what DROVE these guys toward ISIS and what DROVE the Malik of the Dhulaim super tribe, who supported the killing of Zarqawi and who led the Sahwa (awakening) councils to throw their lot in with them?

The baathists were actually willing to initially cooperate with the Americans but Bremer disbanded the army and they became hunted men.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Keep defending Al Saud family, afterall aren't they your masters? All wahabhis/Salafis bow down to them

Keep being theatrical and stupid. I have no love lost for the Saudi royals and their bs. But your approach of perpetually bending over and parting your cheeks for caucasian/American/British phallus insertion by trying to ignore the polarizing/extremist producing effect Western actions have had in these regions as beign the trigger for these groups to form is juvenile at best and criminal at worst.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

It's very easy to find it, it's all over the internet, not sure who are you people trying to fool

this is quote from the vary first article I found on it:

"Iraq under Saddam had begun cutting off the hands of thieves and beheading women accused of prostitution. Saddam's forces also ruled by intimidation, as does ISIS.

"Former Baathist officers recall friends who suddenly stopped drinking, started praying, and embraced the deeply conservative form of Islam known as Salafism in the years preceding the U.S. invasion," the Post reported.


^ so yes, many of the ISIS were from the Baathist party, but they are hardcore Salafis now. ISIS clearly follows the Salafi/wahabhi doctrine.

Wrong again, read your own article a little closer it says

With the launch of the Iraqi dictator’s Faith Campaign in 1994, strict Islamic precepts were introduced. The words “God is Great” were inscribed on the Iraqi flag. Amputations were decreed for theft. Former Baathist officers recall friends who suddenly stopped drinking, started praying and embraced the deeply conservative form of Islam known as Salafism in the years preceding the U.S. invasion.

You truncated the most important part. 1994 was POST gulf war 1 and Iraq was under heavy handed sanctions.

The same article goes on to note:

Zarqawi kept the former Baathists at a distance, because he distrusted their secular outlook, according to Hashim, the professor.

and of course

Some of them had fought against al-Qaeda after changing sides and aligning with the American-backed Awakening movement during the surge of troops in 2007. When U.S. troops withdrew and the Iraqi government abandoned the Awakening fighters, the Islamic State was the only surviving option for those who felt betrayed and wanted to change sides again, said Brian Fishman, who researched the group in Iraq for West Point’s Combating Terrorism Center and is now a fellow with the New America Foundation.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

[MENTION=1772]BarakzaiAbdali[/MENTION]

you seem to be incredibly enlightened; what is your explanation for members like Khostai, Toramana, Badlun, Bengal_Tranny etc.

Who seem to be advocating that everyone ignore the details behind what causes everything and merely address the symptoms?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

[MENTION=1772]BarakzaiAbdali[/MENTION]

you seem to be incredibly enlightened; what is your explanation for members like Khostai, Toramana, Badlun, Bengal_Tranny etc.

Who seem to be advocating that everyone ignore the details behind what causes everything and merely address the symptoms?

We can talk more about this - it's a great question and I think there are answers. Im exhausted- will respond post sleep.

Khodaay bamaan

[Khostai]

Ouch I feel so hurt now LOL. I guess exposing you as a janitor in a hospital is really hard to swollow, little persian kuni.
Why don't you suck some arab dic.ks, was that not the reason why you disgusting homsexual Donkey mullah Omar was friends with Osama. SO his slaves like you could end up with your disgusting sand niggahs in bed. :P

I just wanted to say you failed at your disgusting wahabi propaganda to make people here pro-Taliban and por ISIS, by brainwashing people in to thinking that all of them are victims. But they are not, they are disgusting animals, that need to be put down like you.
Only donkeys like Khushal and the yemeni dog RTR belives in your dum propaganda.
So good luck with your failed dream of establishing a world wide Sharia lol. And making fake excuses for terrorists.