Punjabi/Pakistan and Turk Brotherhood?

[Smarty]

The country claiming to be the "taikaydar" of ummah is selling their Jets to Burma.
Burma to Purchase Pakistani JF-17 Fighter Jets

[tilla_jogian]

Not exactly, Pakistan had good relations with Indonesia while worst relations with another muslim country in the region, Malaysia. Pakistan never fought for Ummah, only for Dollars. In fact Pakistan is the only country in the world which uses Air power and relentless artillery and Tank shelling on their own population, all for dollars.

Not true, Indonesia awarding those who fought is good enough proof. Only 100 survived out of 600, and they deserted. So not exatcly for money.

Only now after decade Pak have got serious about eliminating terrorism. Yes Pak fouj is bombing Paki citizens but when someone is terrorist what do you expect PA to do?

Also USA only pays $1 billion per year while zarb azb operation alone will cost $4-5 billion. Rest will come from Pak own money.

[tilla_jogian]

The country claiming to be the "taikaydar" of ummah is selling their Jets to Burma.
Burma to Purchase Pakistani JF-17 Fighter Jets

Not confirmed, and JF17 is China fighter anyway.

[Toramana]

Even India has not done that on Kashmiris.

Saudi Arabia has offered a huge amount to General Punjab Shareef (Raheel Shareef) per soldier to fight for them. An army for rent.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Even India has not done that on Kashmiris.

Saudi Arabia has offered a huge amount to General Punjab Shareef (Raheel Shareef) per soldier to fight for them. An army for rent.

I don't believe you!

Pakistani soldiers would never think of killing Muslims for money.

What are you suggesting?!

*shocked*

Enough of this propaganda, I will go to defence.pk for real truth and knowledge.

[tilla_jogian]

Even India has not done that on Kashmiris.

Saudi Arabia has offered a huge amount to General Punjab Shareef (Raheel Shareef) per soldier to fight for them. An army for rent.

Kashmir valley is plains area, and border is secured. Not exatcly fair comparision. They don't need airforce to take few militants here and there.

[Smarty]

Not confirmed, and JF17 is China fighter anyway.

Stop making lame excuses, JF-17 is joint project of Pakistan and China, Pakistanis are very proud of this jet. A taikaydar of Ummah is supposed to take notice of Burma's atrocities against its muslim minority let alone selling them jets for bombardments.......I am not saying that it is an unexpected move of Pak army, this is very typical and traditional of them. Their history is tainted with firing on Kaaba and shooting on Turks in Mecca on orders of Goras.

[tilla_jogian]

Stop making lame excuses, JF-17 is joint project of Pakistan and China, Pakistanis are very proud of this jet. A taikaydar of Ummah is supposed to take notice of Burma's atrocities against its muslim minority let alone selling them jets for bombardments.......I am not saying that it is an unexpected move of Pak army, this is very typical and traditional of them. Their history is tainted with firing on Kaaba and shooting on Turks in Mecca on orders of Goras.

I am not making excuses, even engine is russian and not chinese. And nothing is confirmed yet. But if china/russia decide to sell then there is nothing we can do.

We didn't shot turks, most have been sikhs/hindus from punjab if you are implying that muslims did it under umbrella of punjab muslims.

[Smarty]

Kashmir valley is plains area, and border is secured. Not exatcly fair comparision. They don't need airforce to take few militants here and there.

Not exactly, Kashmir has actually very difficult terrain than tribal areas, mountains and lush jungles where there were hideouts of militants. Indian army didnt even use Gunship helicopters let alone Jets. Not even artillary or Tanks. While Pakistani braves even insist on using Tanks in hilly terrain, for example in Tirah they wont move forward without Tanks even though the terrain is not suitable for use of Tanks.

Indian soldiers, when corner some militants in a house or building, they wont subject it to bombardments or shelling, but would tackle it through gun fight, to minimize collateral damage as part of their counter-insurgency tactics, and its not that i am a fan of Indian army but lets be honest. While about relative cowardice and beghairati of pakistani faujis, i can write pages.

[tilla_jogian]

Not exactly, Kashmir has actually very difficult terrain than tribal areas, mountains and lush jungles where there were hideouts of militants. Indian army didnt even use Gunship helicopters let alone Jets. Not even artillary or Tanks. While Pakistani braves even insist on using Tanks in hilly terrain, for example in Tirah they wont move forward without Tanks even though the terrain is not suitable for use of Tanks.

Indian soldiers, when corner some militants in a house or building, they wont subject it to bombardments or shelling, but would tackle it through gun fight, to minimize collateral damage as part of their counter-insurgency tactics, and its not that i am a fan of Indian army but lets be honest. While about relative cowardice and beghairati of pakistani faujis, i can write pages.

Actually Kashmir is plains sorrounded by mountains. People make this mistake all the time but I expected better from you.

And Indians have done lots of horrible things on innocent Kashmiris that we can't even talk about. While Pak fouj never targetted innocents, I don't deny few innocents have died in process but they were never targetted.

[Bengal_Tiger]

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[tilla_jogian]

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Stop posting propaganda books, I doubt any punjabi muslim will say that. You guys have made up your mind so its hard to change it.

[Smarty]

Actually Kashmir is plains sorrounded by mountains. People make this mistake all the time but I expected better from you.

And Indians have done lots of horrible things on innocent Kashmiris that we can't even talk about. While Pak fouj never targetted innocents, I don't deny few innocents have died in process but they were never targetted.

I can discuss the terrain of Kashmir district by district with you but you have the right to defend your country with excuses and attempts of derailing the discussion.

The nature of Baloch insurgency is such that mostly civilians are tortured and killed by armed forces and intelligence. In Pashtun belt, beside heavy civilian casualties in bombardments and shelling of army, thousands of young people have disappeared from swat and tribal areas and are reported to be in torture cells of ISI. Even supreme court took notice of presence of more than 500 torture cells of ISI in KPK alone.

And we are not blind or deaf. Pak army has intentionally subjected populated villages in tribal areas to bombardments as part of collective punishment strategy borrowed from their colonial masters. Even a pro-army commander hafiz gul bahadur was forced to break the treaty before operation due to pressure from locals as Pakistani air force was intentionally dropping bombs on villages and towns of waziristan, falsely claiming that they are targeting militant hideouts.......Pressure was built on Taliban by killing civilian population in the region including women and children, a very expected lowly move and tactic from lowly Pak army.

[Smarty]

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Great finding. I read some where that mostly Punjabi muslims were deployed in Mecca against Turks. It was mentioned in some defense journal.

Punjabi musalman was not agitated at all, he was loyal to the core to the empire which has granted them big share in army. Neither Sikh empire, nor Mughal or delhi sultanates had given importance to Punjabi muslims, they were not given place in nobility and were not recruited in their regular armies. So Punjabi muslim was head over heels for Angraiz.

[tilla_jogian]

I can discuss the terrain of Kashmir district by district with you but you have the right to defend your country with excuses and attempts of derailing the discussion.

The nature of Baloch insurgency is such that mostly civilians are tortured and killed by armed forces and intelligence. In Pashtun belt, beside heavy civilian casualties in bombardments and shelling of army, thousands of young people have disappeared from swat and tribal areas and are reported to be in torture cells of ISI. Even supreme court took notice of presence of more than 500 torture cells of ISI in KPK alone.

And we are not blind or deaf. Pak army has intentionally subjected populated villages in tribal areas to bombardments as part of collective punishment strategy borrowed from their colonial masters. Even a pro-army commander hafiz gul bahadur was forced to break the treaty before operation due to pressure from locals as Pakistani air force was intentionally dropping bombs on villages and towns of waziristan, falsely claiming that they are targeting militant hideouts.......Pressure was built on Taliban by killing civilian population in the region including women and children, a very expected lowly move and tactic from lowly Pak army.

One word, propaganda. Gul bahadur was backstabbing traitor, making deal with this 2 kauri ka insaan was mistake to begin with. Now Pak fouj have clear target, eliminate last standing terrorist from Pak zameen.

And Kashmir valley is plains, I am not talking about every inch of IoK.