Division of Afghanistan?

[Herat]

Brain-Fart Khan, the only conspiracy related phenomenon there is that Pashtun nationalist Zirakyars conspiracy against the non-Pashtuns; Afghanistan is a colonial-legacy bast.ard state and will be partitioned along non-Pashtun vs Pashtun lines with the Taliban emerging as the rulers of the later, Zirakyar and his ilk will be nothing but a fart in the wind once NATO leaves. From Herat to Badakshan, every single inch of Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara land will be reclaimed, every single Pashtun immigrant who refuses to accept that reality is welcome to return to their ancestral land in Pashtunistan.

[Smarty]

Brain-Fart Khan, the only conspiracy related phenomenon there is that Pashtun nationalist Zirakyars conspiracy against the non-Pashtuns; Afghanistan is a colonial-legacy bast.ard state and will be partitioned along non-Pashtun vs Pashtun lines with the Taliban emerging as the rulers of the later, Zirakyar and his ilk will be nothing but a fart in the wind once NATO leaves. From Herat to Badakshan, every single inch of Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara land will be reclaimed, every single Pashtun immigrant who refuses to accept that reality is welcome to return to their ancestral land in Pashtunistan.

In your wet dreams.....

[Herat]

In your wet dreams.....

And after every single Pashtun is removed from our lands, know what we should do after that? Know about that giant barrier wall separating Israel and Palestine? Look it up. Well thats what were going to build, a giant fence between Khorasan-Pashtunistan, with a land-mine on every single meter of border-land. No trade shall take place between our nations for several decades and forget about any relations for at least a century. Besides, your destiny is in the South-Asian continent, ours in Persia and Central Asia; why can't you accept that, that we are different and incompatible peoples, forever will remain as such, and can never live in peace together?

[Smarty]

And after every single Pashtun is removed from our lands, know what we should do after that? Know about that giant barrier wall separating Israel and Palestine? Look it up. Well thats what were going to build, a giant fence between Khorasan-Pashtunistan, with a land-mine on every single meter of border-land. No trade shall take place between our nations for several decades and forget about any relations for at least a century. Besides, your destiny is in the South-Asian continent, ours in Persia and Central Asia; why can't you accept that, that we are different and incompatible peoples, forever will remain as such, and can never live in peace together?

You want/wish all non-pashtuns to be united against pashtuns and dream about some khorasan country where tajiks, aimaks, hazaras, turkmens and uzbeks are going to live happily ever after. If you only wanted to secede herat from afghanistan to join with iran, it could have made some sense to me....but it seems you were slapped by some pashtun , you wept the whole day, and dreamt about great khorasan that night.
1- Why not wishing to join Iran? Tajiks on linguistic basis and hazaras on sect basis.
2-Why uzbeks and turkmens, with different langauge and culture, will be o.k as minorities of tajiks and farsiwans in your khorasan. They have option of joining uzbekistan and turkmenistan.
P.S: Your herat is in the stone age and your iran has collapsed from sanctions and you dream about israel like wall?. Just because you live in west, doesnt mean your ghilam jams back are that developed like west. I have been to iran. Sunk under inflation, with huge unemployment and negativity in youth. Pathetic country despite huge oil reserves, young women fill their stomach through 'mutah' which is basically prostitution

[Herat]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/24/world/asia/in-afghan-election-signs-of-systemic-fraud-cast-doubt-on-many-votes.html

In Afghan Election, Signs of Systemic Fraud Cast Doubt on Many Votes

By CARLOTTA GALLAUG. 23, 2014



KABUL, Afghanistan — When the campaign team led by Manawar Shah came under threat on the day of the Afghan presidential runoff, it was not from the Taliban, he said, but from the people who were supposed to be keeping order: an alliance of government officials, security forces and supporters of the candidate Ashraf Ghani.
Beaten and prevented from using their video equipment and cellphones, Mr. Shah’s team members, working for the candidate Abdullah Abdullah in Khost Province, spent June 14 watching fraud but unable to document it. In one polling center, Mr. Shah said, they saw just 500 voters and election officials casting multiple ballots, for a total of 10,531 votes.
That episode and others like it led Mr. Abdullah to level accusations of a conspiracy by Mr. Ghani, election officials and President Hamid Karzai to rig the vote, plunging the country into crisis and creating a new threat of factional violence. After years of Western aid spent building it, the Afghan state is suddenly at risk of collapsing just as American troops are leaving.


The impasse grew so grave that some senior Afghan officials considered imposing an interim government — a move tantamount to a coup, but one that the officials insisted might be needed to head off violence.
Mr. Ghani and Mr. Karzai have denied Mr. Abdullah’s accusations. But interviews with Afghan and international officials support some of the most serious of Mr. Abdullah’s claims, offering new details of a broad effort to push the runoff to Mr. Ghani, including a pressure campaign by election and palace officials and ballot-box stuffing orchestrated by an ally of Mr. Karzai. Most spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid offending senior Afghan officials.


The huge scale of the fraud — involving perhaps more than two million ballots out of roughly eight million reported cast, according to independent international estimates — has stymied efforts to achieve a democratic transition. Secretary of State John Kerry has intervened twice to keep the campaigns in agreement on a unity government and a complete audit of the vote, but the process has repeatedly broken down in disputes.
Despite the hopes that drove millions of Afghans to cast legitimate votes to choose a president, the extent of the fraud has ensured that even if the process comes to a peaceful conclusion, the result will look less like an election correction than a brokered result. And in recent days, officials have quietly expressed worries that even keeping the peace may be difficult.


The warning signs have been there since the 2009 presidential election between Mr. Karzai and Mr. Abdullah, when 1.3 million fraudulent ballots were thrown out. Deeply angered by Western handling of that election, Mr. Karzai pushed changes to the election commissions and the electoral law, removing international delegates from the complaints commission, appointing new commissioners and outlawing a statistical method used for identifying fraud.


As the election approached, Mr. Karzai avoided public statements for or against any specific candidate and insisted he was staying out of the process. The president did, however, make an important introduction.
Early on, Mr. Karzai referred an operations officer to the Independent Election Commission, describing him as his “nephew” — an expression of his favor rather than of actual kinship. The official was Zia ul-Haq Amarkhail, an energetic young officer who had worked in the field operations of the commission for two years and knew his way around the system.
He was promptly appointed head of the secretariat of the commission, putting him in charge of electoral operations. One official who works inside the election commission said Mr. Amarkhail met frequently with senior aides to the president at the palace, though election officials were supposed to guard their independence.


Early in the election dispute, Abdullah campaign officials offered a series of audio recordings in which they said Mr. Amarkhail, other election officials and Ghani campaign workers could be heard directing various officials in ballot-box stuffing. That identification has been supported by a number of Western and Afghan officials who say the tapes are from direct intercepts of telephone calls.
Mr. Amarkhail insisted that the recordings were faked but resigned from his post. Mr. Abdullah and his aides have refused to explain how they gained possession of the recordings.
The Abdullah campaign also had an energetic election operator on its side, Fazil Ahmad Manawi, a former election commissioner and Supreme Court judge who is now a senior adviser to Mr. Abdullah. Like Mr. Amarkhail, Mr. Manawi has been accused of orchestrating fraud in both rounds of this election.
Mr. Manawi had a front-row seat as an election commissioner during the 2009 presidential election and then served three years as the chairman of the commission, overseeing the parliamentary elections, which were also riddled with accusations of corruption. As the current dispute unfolded, he was on the front lines of Mr. Abdullah’s fight with the commission.
“It was different from 2009; then it was the original warlords that committed the fraud. This time it was the Independent Election Commission that did it,” Mr. Manawi said. “This time the ballot stuffing even went on inside the provincial election offices.”


Mr. Manawi’s accusations resonate with details from current and former Afghan officials in Kabul and several other provinces. Some of these officials are critics of Mr. Karzai and Mr. Ghani, but others witnessed or even had a hand in the fraud.
Those officials said that the fraud had been directed by a coterie of presidential aides and ministers and managed in each province by government, election and security officials.
“It was fraud. The governor, the police chief and election commission all did it together,” Malik Muhammad Hasham, a tribal elder in the eastern district of Orgun, said within earshot of those officials. Orgun is in Paktika Province, where results were hugely in favor of Mr. Ghani.


Mr. Karzai’s aides have adamantly rejected accusations that he has been involved in fraud or intervened on Mr. Ghani’s behalf. Many of the president’s critics, unable to provide evidence of Mr. Karzai’s involvement, have focused on his role in changing the electoral system.
“What caused the electoral fraud? Who did the fraud? The commission,” said Ahmed Wali Massoud, a longtime opposition figure and outspoken critic of the president. “Who put the commission there? Karzai.”
Some officials and tribal elders in the provinces, however, say that after the first election round, Mr. Karzai issued instructions to support Mr. Ghani’s campaign. Their claims line up with reports by diplomats and officials within the election commission who described heavy pressure emanating from top officials at various times during the election crisis.


There is also independent evidence of large-scale fraud, mostly on Mr. Ghani’s behalf. The most credible local election observer organization, the Free and Fair Election Forum of Afghanistan, has submitted 2,684 files of cases of major irregularities and fraud, including blatant ballot stuffing, to the Electoral Complaints Commission. “We have videos of I.E.C. officials doing it for both sides,” said Nader Nadery, the head of the observer group.
Another factor is complicating efforts to sort fraud from fact: Election analysts say that in the second round, Afghanistan’s largest ethnic group, the Pashtuns — faced with a choice between Mr. Ghani, a fellow Pashtun, and Mr. Adbullah, who is closely linked to the Tajik-based Northern Alliance — were galvanized to vote for Mr. Ghani in larger numbers.


In an interview, Mr. Ghani insisted that a huge campaign push to mobilize the Pashtun vote made the difference that, according to preliminary results in July, put him ahead of Mr. Abdullah by more than a million votes.
“When you run a campaign through networks — I don’t know how many hundreds of thousands of volunteers have worked on this campaign, I don’t know what singly each one of them does — that’s the whole point: A convergence was brought to propel us,” Mr. Ghani said.
Mr. Abdullah was the clear leader in the first round, with a 900,000-vote margin over Mr. Ghani. But the preliminary results of the runoff showed a gigantic improvement for Mr. Ghani — an “impossible” one, according to one Western official — of 1.9 million votes.
Mr. Ghani saw huge gains in some of the most insecure Afghan provinces, many of them where the Taliban insurgency made travel for election monitors prohibitively dangerous. Results from polling stations in such places were counted in the runoff, despite local reports that the turnout was actually very low.


Now, hopes for salvaging the election have come down to the audit, a vast operation supervised by professional election observers spread out across several warehouses in Kabul.
One time-tested way to reject fraud is to throw out any ballot box that shows an overwhelming percentage for one candidate — 95 percent, for example.
If applied to the runoff, a trigger of 93 percent of votes in a polling station in favor of one candidate, which was advocated by the Abdullah team, would have removed one-third of the ballots, more than two million, from the count, according to a diplomat in Kabul.
Two Western analysts independently studying the numbers gave even higher estimates: as many as 2.2 million fraudulent ballots favoring Mr. Ghani and 800,000 favoring Mr. Abdullah. If these votes were excluded, Mr. Abdullah would emerge the winner.
Mr. Ghani’s team has not produced figures, but a senior politician who has supported Mr. Ghani said that fraud, once eliminated, would not change the preliminary results by much — Mr. Ghani would still win.
Some other Western officials have hewed closer to that view, putting their estimates of fraud far lower than their colleagues’ and expressing confidence that the most blatant fraud could be weeded out without using broad percentage filters.
But it is the exact triggers for fraud elimination that have been the hardest-fought issues between the campaigns.
“Both campaigns cannot guarantee that their supporters were clean,” the diplomat in Kabul said. “Both of them know there might be something unpleasant coming out of it.”

The election impasse continues and let us hope it remains that away until the situation bursts into the inevitable ethnic war. The Americans will not be able to stop Afghanistans (may its name be obliterated) balkanization anymore than they will of Iraq, in fact Afghanistans disintegration -given the fact that it is much more so the quintessential failed state as compared to Iraq- is the more assured.

[Herat]

You want/wish all non-pashtuns to be united against pashtuns and dream about some khorasan country where tajiks, aimaks, hazaras, turkmens and uzbeks are going to live happily ever after. If you only wanted to secede herat from afghanistan to join with iran, it could have made some sense to me....but it seems you were slapped by some pashtun , you wept the whole day, and dreamt about great khorasan that night.
1- Why not wishing to join Iran? Tajiks on linguistic basis and hazaras on sect basis.
2-Why uzbeks and turkmens, with different langauge and culture, will be o.k as minorities of tajiks and farsiwans in your khorasan. They have option of joining uzbekistan and turkmenistan.
P.S: Your herat is in the stone age and your iran has collapsed from sanctions and you dream about israel like wall?. Just because you live in west, doesnt mean your ghilam jams back are that developed like west. I have been to iran. Sunk under inflation, with huge unemployment and negativity in youth. Pathetic country despite huge oil reserves, young women fill their stomach through 'mutah' which is basically prostitution

I don't wish nor am I delusional, the non-Pashtuns are all united against you Pashtuns but we are indeed divided amongst ourselves otherwise. Once Afghanistan (may its name be obliterated) is dealt with, there is likely to be a power-struggle amongst the non-Pashtuns and my hope is indeed that the Uzbek of the North-West secede and join Uzbekistan, leaving just us Tajiks and Hazaras in a federal state. Once again my Awghan, friend, I invoke the concept of marginal utility: partition will not magically solve all of our problems, however, it will significantly ameliorate a great proportion of suffering. But in any case, our internal affairs is ours, what we do afterwards is our business and you Pashtuns have nothing to do with it. Forget your pathetic red herrings, face reality as it currently is: non-Pashtuns will never accept Pashtun rule, especially Taliban rule, over their lands again. What happens after the partition is irrelevant to this discussion.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Actually the sunni Tajik(Majority of the tajik) feel more closer toward pashtuns than with the shia persians(Majority)

Iran and Pakistan relations are not Good because of the sect affair despite alot of trade potential.

Creation of independent territory is more than impossible,they don't have any solid base to do so neither does the west want it to get created

[gadoonwal]

The only state in the region ,,pakistan,,, need to be divided.
why everyone is after afghanistan?
pakistan is an artificial state not afghanistan.
pakistan was created by ,,,sor kapir,,,jinah for the westren interests.
The artificial state pakistan is canser for the whole world.

[tripledouble]

The only state in the region ,,pakistan,,, need to be divided.
why everyone is after afghanistan?
pakistan is an artificial state not afghanistan.
pakistan was created by ,,,sor kapir,,,jinah for the westren interests.
The artificial state pakistan is canser for the whole world.

You're full of hate and that's why you hate Pakistan.

If Pakistan will Break up then so will Afghanistan; the TajiksUzbeksHazaras do not want to live under Pashtun hegemony and neither do the Nuristanis.

All countries in this world are artificial, borders are manmade, and Afghanistan was created by the British and the Russians together as a Buffer state between their empires; Emir Abdur Rehman Khan was a British puppet, he came to power by the British, killied millions of Hazaras and forcefully converted Nuristanis because he was a Takfiri extremist like you.

Afghanistan was and still is a barren wasteland, colonizing it was useless so the British just let it go in 1919 because drew it's borders because they served their interests; after 1947, Afghanistan became Russia's servant and now it's NATOs pet.

pakistan was created by ,,,sor kapir,,,jinah for the westren interests.
The artificial state pakistan is canser for the whole world.

Jinnah was a Shia, if you consider Shias "Kafir", then you sir a Takfiri extremist, you are no different from those ISIS and Taliban b*stards, but I'm not surprised, you are a descendant of that mass murderer Abdur Rehman Khan, if anybody is a cancer, it is you and your hatefiled racist takfiri ideology.

Peace out, Mullah

[Herat]

You're full of hate and that's why you hate Pakistan.

If Pakistan will Break up then so will Afghanistan; the TajiksUzbeksHazaras do not want to live under Pashtun hegemony and neither do the Nuristanis.

All countries in this world are artificial, borders are manmade, and Afghanistan was created by the British and the Russians together as a Buffer state between their empires; Emir Abdur Rehman Khan was a British puppet, he came to power by the British, killied millions of Hazaras and forcefully converted Nuristanis because he was a Takfiri extremist like you.

Afghanistan was and still is a barren wasteland, colonizing it was useless so the British just let it go in 1919 because drew it's borders because they served their interests; after 1947, Afghanistan became Russia's servant and now it's NATOs pet.


Jinnah was a Shia, if you consider Shias "Kafir", then you sir a Takfiri extremist, you are no different from those ISIS and Taliban b*stards, but I'm not surprised, you are a descendant of that mass murderer Abdur Rehman Khan, if anybody is a cancer, it is you and your hatefiled racist takfiri ideology.

Peace out, Mullah

Abdul Raman Khan, he who was born out of a blood soaked donkeys arse (an arses arse) that was possessed by a demon spirit - in fact, none other than Satan himself, may his name be obliterated and may that obliteration echo in eternity, was indeed the transsexual illegitimate father-mother of the harami state of Afghanistan.

Abassinafghan earlier mentioned Ahmad Shah Abdali: he doesn't seem to understand (or perhaps doesn't want to) -and this seems to be a rather common misunderstanding in this forum - that Abdali was the ruler of an 18th century empire, much like how Napoleon was also the ruler of an 18th century empire that spanned much more than the ethnically based state of France. But those days are gone forever, the state of Afghanistan as we know it today was actually painfully excreted -in constipation- out of the blood soaked arse of the devils transvestite prostitute son -Abdul Raman Khan.

[gadoonwal]

You're full of hate and that's why you hate Pakistan.

If Pakistan will Break up then so will Afghanistan; the TajiksUzbeksHazaras do not want to live under Pashtun hegemony and neither do the Nuristanis.

All countries in this world are artificial, borders are manmade, and Afghanistan was created by the British and the Russians together as a Buffer state between their empires; Emir Abdur Rehman Khan was a British puppet, he came to power by the British, killied millions of Hazaras and forcefully converted Nuristanis because he was a Takfiri extremist like you.

Afghanistan was and still is a barren wasteland, colonizing it was useless so the British just let it go in 1919 because drew it's borders because they served their interests; after 1947, Afghanistan became Russia's servant and now it's NATOs pet.


Jinnah was a Shia, if you consider Shias "Kafir", then you sir a Takfiri extremist, you are no different from those ISIS and Taliban b*stards, but I'm not surprised, you are a descendant of that mass murderer Abdur Rehman Khan, if anybody is a cancer, it is you and your hatefiled racist takfiri ideology.

Peace out, Mullah

Minorities in afghanistan are respected and they will never break afghanistan.
pashtuns are everywhere in afghanistan from north to south and east to west.
The minorities in afghanistan can never win.
Those who wants to break afghanistan should leave for tajikistan and iran.
If hazaras are not happy they can go to mongolia.
Afghanistan is reality.
Jinah was not muslim in the first place so how can you say he was shai?
He was pork lover.He was always served with alcohal during meal.

pakistan is canser for the whole region and the world.pakistan and israeall were created by the west for their interests.
pakistan is the enemy no1 of muslims.
pakistan killed more muslims then isreal even.
All paki army officers are on the payrole of pentagon.
Tell us why every muslim and none-muslim country hate pakistan?
Do,nt forget pakistan supplied weapon to ISIS, Saudis paid pakis 2 billion dollars.
It is fact.

[Afghanfootball]

Afghan=Pashtun, Farsiwan, Tajik, Uzbek, Hazara, Turkmen, Nuristani and every ethnic group from the area stop trying divide the country!

[gadoonwal]

The only state pakistan needed to be divided.

[HalloIsBack]

The only state pakistan needed to be divided.

well it will happen but with lots of blood

[Dhillon]

well it will happen but with lots of blood

Let's hope that if it has to be divided, it can be in a peaceful way and not become '47 part two.