Abdullah Abdullah destabilizing democracy?

[Kushan Prince]

[MENTION=2852]Midnight_Sun[/MENTION]

If Ghani becomes president, he will replace all Tajiks in the military with Pashtuns. But they are not loyal fighters.

I have no doubt that Pashtuns will quit their job in the military and government, and join the Taliban. There was a similar situation in Iraq, with Sunni and Kurdish troops deserting before the ISIS

Ghani himself might flee to Pakistan, leaving Dostum to take over. Dangerous times are ahead.

Whether you like it or not, Taliban are the only ones who are actually protecting the country while you panjsheris are bending down to americans. Hopefully they are still here so they can execute people like you who practise bacha bazi.

[HalloIsBack]

Afghan intelligence rejects political intervention in elections

By Ghanizada - Wed Jun 25 2014, 11:57 pm

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The Afghanistan national directorate of security (NDS) said Wednesday that the Afghan intelligence did not have any political intervention in elections process.
“NDS did not have or will have any political intervention in the elections,” NDS said following a statement.
The statement further added that NDS rejects the release of any government data to anyone outside its regular chain of reporting.
The national directorate of security also added that the impartiality of the Afghan intelligence is acknowledged by all citizens of Afghanistan.
“NDS strongly condemns the unfair and unjust blaming of the security institutions of Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, who are in the first line to defend the people of Afghanistan,” the statement said.
The statement also added, “During the First and Second rounds of Presidential Elections in the past two months, Afghanistan National Directorate of Security (NDS), as the country’s responsible organization, along with other security institutions has accomplished its mission with bravery, honesty and impartiality,” the statement by NDS said.
The Afghan intelligence operatives have managed to disrupt, dismantle and eliminate some of the most dangerous terrorist networks who were planning to disrupt elections, NDS said.

http://www.khaama.com/afghan-intelligence-rejects-political-intervention-in-elections-6275

[HalloIsBack]

Whether you like it or not, Taliban are the only ones who are actually protecting the country while you panjsheris are bending down to americans. Hopefully they are still here so they can execute people like you who practise bacha bazi.

so you are now becoming an islamist too step by step?
we have seen how they protect their country in the 90s

[Al-Afghani]

Whether you like it or not, Taliban are the only ones who are actually protecting the country while you panjsheris are bending down to americans. Hopefully they are still here so they can execute people like you who practise bacha bazi.

They are not protecting Afghanistan, since their stubborn actions in the past decades led to an invasion and high civilian casualties. All because they wanted to shelter Bin Laden, Mullah Omar's father in law. But most dead and injured are Pashtuns.

[Loy Afghanistan]

so you are now becoming an islamist too step by step?
we have seen how they protect their country in the 90s

He is just saying, there is no one but them "defending" Pashtun soil from occupation by the foreign forces aka 60-80 nations, who rapes civilians, plants opium, steal our resources, destroying villages after villages, piss in our culture and traditions. We know these NATO parasites gave the crazy wahabi islamist the tools to attack Afghanistan in the first place, even when the soviets left, they continued to give them money to destroy our cities like Kandahar, Kabul etc.

But many maybe just want to defend their homes and doesn't like the group after they foreigners leave. It is very complicated, I try to make it easy. There is 3 sides here, the NATO watan forosha, and watan forosha aka talibans who works for Iranis to destroy nato forces and pakis to destroy and divide Pashtuns/Afghans etc, and then there is civilians, neutral people who just want independent, freedom, stability. 2 of these watan forosha has most weapons today. And the third are not getting any backing, meaning we are alone today or choice one of those 2. We need a new force patriotic force with the help of SCO or BRICS to stabilize our country. once that, Afghans/Pashtuns can have better life standard.

[Loy Afghanistan]

They are not protecting Afghanistan, since their stubborn actions in the past decades led to an invasion and high civilian casualties. All because they wanted to shelter Bin Laden, Mullah Omar's father in law. But most dead and injured are Pashtuns.

hahahahahahahahahah! This guy takes his information from the white house. Even without or with these accusations, US would invade Afghanistan. They invaded Iraq with lies and without UN mandate, do you think they care? they even killed 3000 of their own sheep's, fuel jet bring down a steel building, free fall? Tell any engineer about that fuel can melt iron, and that the building free falls down, he will laugh at you and kick you in the ass.

It is about control/destroy trade routes, it about threat China, Russia, Iran with bases in their backyard and resources etc. Stop trusting the snakes.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Whether you like it or not, Taliban are the only ones who are actually protecting the country while you panjsheris are bending down to americans. Hopefully they are still here so they can execute people like you who practise bacha bazi.

taliban protecting the country?Ya Allah,desay khalq kho zar na zar wakhla

[khushal]

http://online.wsj.com/articles/mccai...ion-1404493272

McCain, Graham Urge Audit in Afghan Election

U.S. Senators Met With Afghan Presidential Candidates to Discuss Allegations of Voter Fraud








By Nathan Hodge



July 4, 2014 1:01 p.m. ET
KABUL—Two U.S. senators on Friday urged Afghanistan's presidential candidates to accept an audit of the country's election results to break a political deadlock over who will succeed Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

Republican Sens. John McCain (Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (S.C.), both members of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said Friday they had met in Kabul the previous day with the two contenders for the Afghan presidency, Ashraf Ghani and Abdullah Abdullah, to discuss a crisis sparked by allegations of fraud in a June 14 runoff vote.

"There's ample evidence of fraud," said Sen. Graham. "There needs to be an audit that is recognized by the Afghan people as legitimate and by the international community as legitimate."
Messrs. Abdullah and Ghani are at an impasse over the results of the June vote, which followed a first-round election in April. Mr. Abdullah garnered the most votes then—45% against Mr. Ghani's 31.6%—but didn't pass the 50% threshold to win the first round outright.



"We support any kind of audit, but on the calendar time frame" currently in place, said Abbas Noyan, a spokesman for Mr. Ghani. "The government of Afghanistan has already sent invitations to more than 40 leaders of different countries to attend an inauguration ceremony of a new president that is going to take place on Aug. 2."
Representatives for Mr. Abdullah couldn't immediately be reached for comment.

Preliminary votes in the second round haven't been released, but both campaign teams estimate Mr. Ghani now has a lead of more than a million votes. Mr. Abdullah says he has evidence of widespread ballot stuffing on behalf of his rival, a charge Mr. Ghani denies.

Election observers of the European Union have also endorsed an audit. On Thursday, Thijs Berman, chief of the EU observer mission in Afghanistan, said an "in-depth audit of the votes is necessary, given these highly worrying indications of potentially widespread fraud."

The country's Independent Election Commission has held off on releasing preliminary results until Monday.
Sen. McCain said a failure to resolve the impasse "could put not only the political environment in Afghanistan into a crisis, but also weaken American support for the continued process" of rebuilding and supporting the cash-strapped country.

Asked by reporters whether the two candidates were amenable to an audit, Sen. McCain said he thought they were looking for common ground. "Their team was meeting last night and again today, and there is some hope that by Monday they may come to some agreement on the audit," he said.

[khushal]

The US is putting their noses in it again.

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[Toramana]

Republican Sens. John McCain (Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (S.C.), both members of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said Friday they had met in Kabul the previous day with the two contenders for the Afghan presidency, Ashraf Ghani and Abdullah Abdullah, to discuss a crisis sparked by allegations of fraud in a June 14 runoff vote.

"There's ample evidence of fraud," said Sen. Graham. "There needs to be an audit that is recognized by the Afghan people as legitimate and by the international community as legitimate."





Mr Sen MaCain and Mr Sen Graham, my redneck friends by "international community" you mean West specifically US and EU? When have Westerners started caring for the opinions of others?

[khushal]

Who cares about the international community. This is an Afghan issue and should be resolved by the afghans themselves. When the Bush/Gore election was taken to the Supreme Court, they did not bring in what the international community thought. They solved it themselves. Live and let live.

[khushal]

http://www.rferl.org/content/afghani.../25444623.html
Possible Scenarios In Afghanistan's Presidential Election




Is Afghan President Hamid Karzai interested in undermining his successor, or in burnishing his legacy with the first democratic handover of power?








By Frud Bezhan
July 03, 2014


Even before the final results were in, the legitimacy of Afghanistan's presidential election was being questioned.
The June 14 runoff between Abdullah Abdullah and Ashraf Ghani was marred by allegations of widespread fraud, with each candidate claiming victory and neither appearing willing to accept defeat.

Abdullah boycotted the election process over what he called "blatant fraud" committed in favor of Ghani, whom he accused of benefitting from 2 million fake votes. Ghani countered by arguing that the election was relatively clean, and that he won by more than 1 million votes.
As Afghans awaited the release of preliminary results expected on July 6 or 7 to be followed by a lengthy complaints period, a number of possible scenarios were shaping up.

Compromise Is Struck
In public, Abdullah and Ghani have expressed little desire to hash out a deal that could resolve the deadlock.

But privately, each candidate has held UN-mediated talks with the Independent Election Commission (IEC). And outgoing President Hamid Karzai and his two vice presidents -- Yunus Qanuni and Karim Khalili -- have also held talks with the respective candidates.
The meetings have yielded little so far, but observers say a possible power-sharing agreement is a possibility, regardless of which candidate comes out on top.

Nasrullah Stanikzai, a political-science lecturer at Kabul University, notes protests in Kabul and rising ethnic tensions and concludes: "Considering recent events, it seems likely that they will come to an agreement. Politically, it is the correct way, although it is also unlawful."

Unofficial results indicate that Ghani, who finished 13 percentage points behind Abdullah in the first round in April, appears to be heading for a second-round victory that would give him the upper hand in any talks.
In that event, Abdullah could concede defeat, at least privately, to Ghani. In return, Abdullah could be offered a prime-ministerial role and/or the promise of cabinet positions in the future government for his political allies.

It is worth remembering that Abdullah and Karzai cut some sort of deal during the fraud-tainted 2009 presidential election, although it has never been revealed what Abdullah received in exchange for pulling out of the race before his second-round runoff against Karzai. Abdullah, under immense local and international pressure, said he did not think the vote would be fair. But many believe he was given incentives for conceding defeat.

Civil War
As ethnic tensions have escalated amid the election deadlock, fears have risen that the country could return to the type of interethnic violence seen in the 1990s. Rhetoric between rival candidates has sharpened and threats of violence have been traded. Pro-Abdullah protesters, meanwhile, have not discounted resorting to force if their demands are not met.

Abdullah, who is half-Tajik, half-Pashtun, has strong support among the Tajik community in the country's north. Ghani is a Pashtun whose main support base lies in the Pashtun heartland, in Afghanistan's south and east.
This has helped fuel predictions that the situation could turn violent.

But Zubair Shafiqi, a Kabul-based political commentator, is doubtful of such an outcome. "The people are tired of war," he says. "War is being imposed on them but the people will not accept it. The country will not fight a civil war because of either Ashraf Ghani or Abdullah."

On the other hand, Graeme Smith, a senior analyst at the International Crisis Group in Kabul, says if there is no agreement tensions could rise in the country's relatively peaceful north.

Ghani's second vice-presidential running mate, former Uzbek warlord Abdul Rashid Dostum, and one of Abdullah's main backers, Balkh Province Governor Atta Mohammad Noor, are sworn enemies. It is not a stretch to imagine their struggle for control of the north spilling over into violence. "I think the concern is that the war could get a new northern dimension if northern groups start fighting in the same way that southern groups are already fighting," Smith says.

Some observers go so far as to warn that if an acceptable power-sharing agreement is not reached, the country could be partitioned. "If there is no deal, some people from the north will declare their independence from the central government," says Ahmad Saeedi, a Kabul-based political analyst. "They have already told the Americans of their intentions."

Karzai Stays On
Some Afghans hold the outgoing president responsible for the current crisis and say he has engineered the mess to extend his stay in power.
If Abdullah and Ghani cannot resolve their differences, Karzai could in theory be in a position to remain in power until a solution is found. Karzai's constitutional mandate expired in May, but he could continue on as an interim leader. And because he and his two vice presidents have become mediators in talks between Ghani and Abdullah, Karzai might be in a position to shape the outcome.

Abdullah has accused the outgoing president of using the government's administrative resources in favor of Ghani. Abdullah has also accused Karzai of rigging the vote so he can maintain control over the next government.

"This scenario was orchestrated by Karzai," says Saeedi, who adds that Karzai is setting the stage for a run for the presidency in five years' time. "Karzai wants the next government to be very weak, discredited, and considered unlawful."

Shafiqi, however, says it is in Karzai's interest to successfully oversee the country's first-ever democratic transition of power. "He wants to be remembered as the first Afghan leader to relinquish power and consolidate democracy in the country," he explains.

[khushal]

The above article does not really talk about Karzais real motive of supporting Ghani and that is he is strictly against the introduction of the federal system to replace the central system of governance. Ghani is of the same thought process while Abdullah is not.

[HalloIsBack]

Abdullah’s observers missing in first open review of election complaints

By Ghanizada - Sun Jul 06 2014, 10:35 am

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Presidential contender Dr. Abdullah Abdullah’s observers were not present in the first open review of complaints regarding the runoff presidential election.
Head of the Independent Electoral Complaints Commission (ECC), Abdul Satar Saadat said Sunday that the decisions of provincial election offices in northern provinces will be reviewed during the open session today.
Saadat said the observers of Dr. Abdullah is not present during the first open review of complaints.
He said the absence of Dr. Abdullah’s obervers in open review of compalaints means that they have withdrawn from their right for investigation of the complaints.
According to Saadat, more complaints have been received from northern Faryab and Balkh provinces of Afghanistan.
He said today’s open session will mostly review the decisions of provincial election offices in northern Afghanistan, based on the appeals of the candidates.
This comes as Dr. Abdullah Abdullah halted his ties with the Independent Election Commission and Independent Electoral Complaints Commission after accusing the two electoral bodies for being involved in fraud.
Abdullah recalled all his observers and said they will not accept the preliminary vote results which is expected to be announced on Monday.

http://www.khaama.com/abdullahs-observers-missing-in-first-open-review-of-election-complaints-8263

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Abdullah requests his supporters to end anti-fraud movements

By Ghanizada - Sun Jul 13 2014, 9:43 pm

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Dr. Abdullah Abdullah has called on his supporters to end anti-fraud civil movements as a breakthrough was made in election deadlock.
Dr. Abdullah appreciated the civil movements by his supporters and requested for the closure of prosters tents as their voice were heard.
The electoral impasse was broken after the US Secretary State John Kerry mediated talks between the presidential candidates.
An agreement was reached between the two contenders regarding the full audit of the votes marred with widespread fraud allegations.
Dr. Abdullah and his rival Dr. Ashraf Ghani Ahmadzai agreed to abide by the results of the extensive and promised a national unity government under the winner.
The audits will be conducted by the IEC in the full presence of international and domestic observers, candidate agents, the media and UN advisors.
Approximately eight million ballots in 23,000 ballot boxes will be audited during the extensive votes audit which will continue for a couple of weeks.

http://www.khaama.com/abdullah-requests-his-supporters-to-end-anti-fraud-movements-6399