Who is the next - Electoral fraud

[کیش]

WTH? You, DSM, support having you fed by others (Americans) than doing it yourself?

And plus,

People in the west do no get fed, they work their tail off 40-80 hours a week.

[DSM0305]

I could agree with you but then I would be living in a contradiction because is it not you who criticizes Pakistan on every level but at the same time you are trying to create another Pakistan.

I do not criticize Pakistan. I just don't like them because they caused war and famine in Afghanistan. (exact same thing you're trying to do)

By the way, I didn't know Pakistan was a 'concept'. Trying to 'create' another Pakistan lol. What defines Pakistan in your opinion? Your stupidity reached a whole another level.

[DSM0305]

WTH? You, DSM, support having you fed by others (Americans) than doing it yourself?

And plus,

People in the west do no get fed, they work their tail off 40-80 hours a week.

I live in the west I work my tail off, but I live a prosperous life. Which is exactly what I want for Afghanistan. I highly doubt a poor family who cant fed their children would care, who gives him the job(whether it is an American or another person)

Guys I am very tired of discussing with hypocrites who lives in the prosperous west, yet want to impose war and famine to Afghanistan. So I say goodbye for now.

[کیش]

I live in the west I work my tail off, but I live a prosperous life. Which is exactly what I want for Afghanistan. I highly doubt a poor family who cant fed their children would care, who gives him the job(whether it is an American or another person)

Guys I am very tired of discussing with hypocrites who lives in the prosperous west, yet want to impose war and famine to Afghanistan. So I say goodbye for now.

You haven't discussed anything with logic. All you did was throw cheap shots at Khushal, and now me by saying hypocrites (which is the plural form).

Why don't you "real" Afghans learn to be self-sufficient, instead of relying on others?

[Kushan Prince]

I do not criticize Pakistan. I just don't like them because they caused war and famine in Afghanistan. (exact same thing you're trying to do)

By the way, I didn't know Pakistan was a 'concept'. Trying to 'create' another Pakistan lol. What defines Pakistan in your opinion? Your stupidity reached a whole another level.

You sound like Amrullah Saleh who keeps using the "Pakistan did this to us" rhetoric over and over again. He also thinks pakis are responsible for everything in Afghanistan which is why he isn't taken seriously. I will tell you this, Pakistan is ONE of the reasons Afghanistan is in the condition it is today but not the sole reason. The reason why Afghanistan is suffering from war and famine is because of ethnic rivalry, corruption and greed. So it is afghans themselves who have caused this upon them and especially runts like the taliban. Pakistan just wants a destabilized Afghanistan so the country doesn't develop and prosper and they do this by sending missiles into kunar.

Think outside the box and don't paint the situation with the same brush.

[Loy Afghanistan]

he does not get it. war and famine was brought by nato.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/26/afghan-children-harm-malnutrition-growth-development

you go to any village in Afghanistan, all the youth and adults are a bunch of drug addicts brought by nato.

http://www.dw.de/growing-afghan-intravenous-heroin-use-spurs-hiv-epidemic/a-15117447

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/20/bu...opium-addicts/

That why we shouldn't take away/remove American cow produced milk from Afghanistan.

It was worse regardless who you asked. The reason you cant go to your village is because of insurgence. Remove the insurgencies from the south and east, and you see how prosperous those areas will become.

My dear brothers.

This is a very complex debate, because first of all, the time laps, your age, living locations in Afghanistan etc and every small action has a HUGE consequence in both of your life's.

What one brother have experience, has the other brother NOT been experienced in the same way, you my dear brothers has not lived in the same time, same location and experienced the same feeling. So it is very very hard for you to tell your side of the story specially in a foreign language instead of your own mother tongue.


And one small misunderstanding can feel like a strike or mockery to the other brothers mindset or feelings. So try to understand this Pashtun warrior brothers.

If it was so easy to debate about Afghanistan and its problems, if it would be so we would have world peace now and the cure for cancer by now.


I agree with both of you, because all over Afghanistan there is 1000 battles going on. First of all between us Pashtuns/Afghans, why? Because of old history etc!

I will finish explain later, must go! Love you my Pashtun brothers.


So I try to continue.

In Afghanistan there is 10 000 of battles going on in each of Pashtuns/afghans daily life. First of all, it is battle against poverty and illiterates, then there is battle against old feuds between family's, clans, rivalry, honour at stake etc. Battle against security, and threats against our culture, like usury on our brothers and sisters. This is huge problem and time consuming for each individual Pashtun/Afghan. But at the same time 99 % of these Afghans/Pashtuns want security, education, freedom to live like their ancestors and food + shelter. To achieve their goals, many are taking difficult actions to survive at the same time they can more and less make it even worse for themselves or others. It can be sell drugs, sell your own kids, sell your people, sell your country, join taliban, join ANA, join prostitution etc. The problem grows or becoming a evil never ending circle from generation to generation. Then of course we have my noble heroes and the most strong ones in this planet who never kneel and try their best to live a good life avoiding these problems. My grandfather was one of them, lived in Kandahar he forced marriage brother and sisters of to different enemies clans to make them families and united them. He solved hundred of years feuds between tribes, and he never took money or profits from his deeds. I am honoured and always proud to even have a small part of him in my genes.

Then we have these big goons around Afghanistan that has interests inside Afghanistan and more and less profits from Afghan/Pashtun misery, that at the same time cause more and less problems for our people. It can be interest of british project pakis, to hold Afghanistan weak so we can't take back our Pashtun soils from Islamabad and become a rival in the area when it comes to business. It can be interest of multi billion companies that lobby for foreign "security" ARMY over Pashtun/Afghan resources, so they can steal our gold, mineral, metal resources and at the same time must hold Pashtuns/Afghans weak and undeveloped so they can't fight back and take what is theirs. It can be interest of NATO to hold bases inside Afghanistan to threat China, Russia and Iran, to achieve this they need weak Afghanistan so they can't fight back for fully independence. Because Pashtuns/Afghans hate foreign army inside its borders, we have never been slaves or puppets from the day the first Pashtun was born in this planet.

So you see it is not hard to hold Afghanistan/Pashtunistan at its knees, when 40 years of destruction cripple the whole nation, divided families since 1800 by anglo saxons wars, you just need to feed these daily problems to make the problems keep rolling around and around. And many foreigners, and other parasites live from destruction and misery of the poor people, from Africa to Afghanistan.

There is few nations out there that wants a strong Afghanistan, one of them are India, in India's interest a strong Afghanistan can be a useful tool against british project, so they try to help one side, doesn't matter what, as long it is against the british project that the only purpose is to divide people and families.

And the hard thing is 99 % of these problems are connected to each other. The best way minimize these problems are education and strong identity. It is very hard to fool a educated and a strongly individual to sell his soul or kill his brother/sister for some green dollar paper.

So you see, there is so much major factors that each have a HUGE consequence in Afghans/Pashtuns daily life and ours as well, because my heart bleeds all day, when I see my motherland and my people suffer and I am helpless to help them RIGHT NOW, at this second. But like most things, you start small and hopefully with time you become big enough to take strong actions so you can solve huge problems in your people's daily life. And most important thing, like the gift God has gave human beings. You give him knowledge, and show him the way, but IT IS UP TO HIM/HER, their CHOICE, the freedom of choice, to take that path. Of course there is others way you can manipulate them but that is another story.

[Badlun]

cry baby, you cant think deep. your too shallow minded. my prediction about Iraq came true and so will my prediction of Afghanistan as long as shallow minded people like you exist.

I am with DSM in all his arguments and if I say anything it will be mere repetition. I do not know who is DSM, but it seems we are twin brothers not similar only physically but also mentally.

However for Khushal,s information, my prediction is that Islamists will fall in Iraq after their sudden rise as Taliban rose and fell. This is all emotion, slogans, sectarian politics, proxy wars etc but once the dust is settled, reality will prevail and the result will be a democratic Iraq, worse will be three or two Iraqs but not under Islamists but nationalists.

In this modern era , there is no room for Islamism. Actually religion never ruled in history. The real role of religion is personal not political.

[Badlun]

Wroora, Khushal is one of our proud Pashtuns here, don't be harsh on him.

It is few people on this forum I like much! We don't agree on all the things, but still you all are my blood brothers, our love may not be visible and strong yet, but our blood is bind by Pashtun love. And I am one of those that value good Pashtun blood more than anything on this planet.

Just calm down, and please don't call your true Pashtun brother beghariat, all of our life's are very different. It may be even as much different like hell and heaven. But in my heart I think our goals and visions are the same or at least leads to the same road.

And many of our brothers here may be very young. Like 16-25. And all people change, we know that.

3 years ago, you might been a whole different person. and today you evolved or changed to something else, more wiser, more experience etc.

Love to all my noble Pashtun line! May Allah and our great ancestors guide us in the way of nobility and wisdom once again.

I simply love this kind of pristine Pashtun nationalism. You are great, you are sublime, You deserve a big applause.

[khushal]

I am with DSM in all his arguments and if I say anything it will be mere repetition. I do not know who is DSM, but it seems we are twin brothers not similar only physically but also mentally.

However for Khushal,s information, my prediction is that Islamists will fall in Iraq after their sudden rise as Taliban rose and fell. This is all emotion, slogans, sectarian politics, proxy wars etc but once the dust is settled, reality will prevail and the result will be a democratic Iraq, worse will be three or two Iraqs but not under Islamists but nationalists.

In this modern era , there is no room for Islamism. Actually religion never ruled in history. The real role of religion is personal not political.

ofcourse you are. you also think that prostitution is good as long as people vote for it. I am not surprised that you and him think alike. both of you are like prostitutes.

@DSM, the concept of Pakistan is wh0re/prostitute.