Who is the next - Electoral fraud

[Loy Afghanistan]

If you don't like foreign forces, leave the peaceful west that YOU live ind. Go back to Afghanistan and take arms against them. You're the biggest beghairat I have ever witnessed.
- A sour loser who lives in the west and yet complains about them.
- Suggest people should take arms against a one eyed person with a mongol mentality, yet you yourself have no guts to take arms against the so called 'foreign forces'
- A brainwashed idiot who complains about the current government, yet have no alternative to it.
- A beghairat who enjoy the prosperous and peaceful life of the west, yet wishes for famine and war to the Afghanistan.

This one eyed mongol himself was sourounded by Arabs, Pakis, chechens, foreign ubeks, foreign tajiks etc.
These so called mujahadeens licked American as.ses under Soviet invasion and now you're talking about 'foreign forces'. Come back when you have some ghairat, you shameless coward. If you were anywhere near me, I would have spitted on your face.

Wroora, Khushal is one of our proud Pashtuns here, don't be harsh on him.

It is few people on this forum I like much! We don't agree on all the things, but still you all are my blood brothers, our love may not be visible and strong yet, but our blood is bind by Pashtun love. And I am one of those that value good Pashtun blood more than anything on this planet.

Just calm down, and please don't call your true Pashtun brother beghariat, all of our life's are very different. It may be even as much different like hell and heaven. But in my heart I think our goals and visions are the same or at least leads to the same road.

And many of our brothers here may be very young. Like 16-25. And all people change, we know that.

3 years ago, you might been a whole different person. and today you evolved or changed to something else, more wiser, more experience etc.

Love to all my noble Pashtun line! May Allah and our great ancestors guide us in the way of nobility and wisdom once again.

[khushal]

If you don't like foreign forces, leave the peaceful west that YOU live ind. Go back to Afghanistan and take arms against them. You're the biggest beghairat I have ever witnessed.
- A sour loser who lives in the west and yet complains about them.
- Suggest people should take arms against a one eyed person with a mongol mentality, yet you yourself have no guts to take arms against the so called 'foreign forces'
- A brainwashed idiot who complains about the current government, yet have no alternative to it.
- A beghairat who enjoy the prosperous and peaceful life of the west, yet wishes for famine and war to the Afghanistan.

This one eyed mongol himself was sourounded by Arabs, Pakis, chechens, foreign ubeks, foreign tajiks etc.
These so called mujahadeens licked American as.ses under Soviet invasion and now you're talking about 'foreign forces'. Come back when you have some ghairat, you shameless coward. If you were anywhere near me, I would have spitted on your face.

why do you cowards keep saying I have given you no alternative when I clearly have told you the alternative. Besides most americans are realizing that it is not their fight, it is your and the one eyed village idiots fight and everyone knows that you can not take on the one eyed village idiot so you must submit to natural social evolution and let a couple of generation pass to bring some natural balance to the society.

People migrate from places of low opportunity to places of high opportunity, it is natural to take this route when available. If the ones that migrated like you, I, azmul and others are cowards, so be it, maybe there is truth in it but those that migrate and did not fight and defend the land has no right to go back with foreign forces and try to rule the land they cowardly left behind.
If it did not work for past 13 years, what makes you think that it will work in the next thirteen years.

The reason I am harsh on the foreign occupation is because the occupations main victims are Pashtun on both sides, not only does this occupation harm them today, but it will harm them for many decades, the longer the occupation lasts, the more damage it does to future generations. It has been proven by Scholars that occupation and war extreminizes populations. When you bring in foreign forces, you are messing with that societies natural order. Whether that natural order is good or bad, whether you agree with it or disagree with it, it evolves over time with the consent of the people.

plus the Chechen and arabs that were in Afghanistan at the time numbered in the hundreds. its nothing compared to the 160,000 NATO troops. Back in 2002 when Karzai wanted to give amnesty to M Omar and have him join the political process, it was those troops that blocked him to prevent peace.

[DSM0305]

why do you cowards keep saying I have given you no alternative when I clearly have told you the alternative. Besides most americans are realizing that it is not their fight, it is your and the one eyed village idiots fight and everyone knows that you can not take on the one eyed village idiot so you must submit to natural social evolution and let a couple of generation pass to bring some natural balance to the society.

People migrate from places of low opportunity to places of high opportunity, it is natural to take this route when available. If the ones that migrated like you, I, azmul and others are cowards, so be it, maybe there is truth in it but those that migrate and did not fight and defend the land has no right to go back with foreign forces and try to rule the land they cowardly left behind.
If it did not work for past 13 years, what makes you think that it will work in the next thirteen years.

What is considered foreign forces? Is a Tajiks in Pashtunland a foreign force or vice versa. A man coming to another mans house, could also be considered a foreign force. It all depends on how you interpret foreign. One can interpret it by family, ethnicity, nationality, race, political and so on.
Foreign forces has always played part in a country. Actually a country cannot exist without foreign forces. Since the existence of mankind, people involved others in their conflict to get the upper hand. This case isn't unique. Even your one eyed mongol involved foreigners.
As I said before and I will say it again. Mullah Mohammad Omar was surrounded by chechens, arabs, Pakis etc.

You who lives in the west with everything served to you in a plate, have absolutely no right to impose famine and war to Afghan people.

Beghairat people like you are worser than sc-um. You have never experienced war and the desperation of basic need like food, water and a shelter. Yet, as a beghairat as you're, you going around like a tape recorder and repeat your filth to everyone.

And no, you haven't shown any alternative, unless your so called alternative is to die from famine and war. Then I and anyone with a brain will say kindly no thank you.

[Loy Afghanistan]

why do you cowards keep saying I have given you no alternative when I clearly have told you the alternative. Besides most americans are realizing that it is not their fight, it is your and the one eyed village idiots fight and everyone knows that you can not take on the one eyed village idiot so you must submit to natural social evolution and let a couple of generation pass to bring some natural balance to the society.

People migrate from places of low opportunity to places of high opportunity, it is natural to take this route when available. If the ones that migrated like you, I, azmul and others are cowards, so be it, maybe there is truth in it but those that migrate and did not fight and defend the land has no right to go back with foreign forces and try to rule the land they cowardly left behind.
If it did not work for past 13 years, what makes you think that it will work in the next thirteen years.

The reason I am harsh on the foreign occupation is because the occupations main victims are Pashtun on both sides, not only does this occupation harm them today, but it will harm them for many decades, the longer the occupation lasts, the more damage it does to future generations. It has been proven by Scholars that occupation and war extreminizes populations.

Visionaries like us can fight in other means, more effective, than 5 million army's. In modern time, you don't need armies to achieve your victory, Those who got the visions and are a strategist will know these tactics.

My best advice for you like before. Start uniting your successfully Pashtun people in your area, and help as much as you can your tribe/clan/family back home in Afghanistan or other places so they can educate themselves. Later all the puzzles will fall into its place.

Be as much neutral and friendly you can be to your own people, the education is the first key factor in Pashtun puzzle.

[khushal]

Wroora, Khushal is one of our proud Pashtuns here, don't be harsh on him.

It is few people on this forum I like much! We don't agree on all the things, but still you all are my blood brothers, our love may not be visible and strong yet, but our blood is bind by Pashtun love. And I am one of those that value good Pashtun blood more than anything on this planet.

Just calm down, and please don't call your true Pashtun brother beghariat, all of our life's are very different. It may be even as much different like hell and heaven. But in my heart I think our goals and visions are the same or at least leads to the same road.

And many of our brothers here may be very young. Like 16-25. And all people change, we know that.

3 years ago, you might been a whole different person. and today you evolved or changed to something else, more wiser, more experience etc.

Love to all my noble Pashtun line! May Allah and our great ancestors guide us in the way of nobility and wisdom once again.

he does not get it. war and famine was brought by nato.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...th-development

you go to any village in Afghanistan, all the youth and adults are a bunch of drug addicts brought by nato.
http://www.dw.de/growing-afghan-intr...mic/a-15117447
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/20/bu...opium-addicts/

[khushal]

What is considered foreign forces? Is a Tajiks in Pashtunland a foreign force or vice versa. A man coming to another mans house, could also be considered a foreign force. It all depends on how you interpret foreign. One can interpret it by family, ethnicity, nationality, race, political and so on.
Foreign forces has always played part in a country. Actually a country cannot exist without foreign forces. Since the existence of mankind, people involved others in their conflict to get the upper hand. This case isn't unique. Even your one eyed mongol involved foreigners.
As I said before and I will say it again. Mullah Mohammad Omar was surrounded by chechens, arabs, Pakis etc.

You who lives in the west with everything served to you in a plate, have absolutely no right to impose famine and war to Afghan people.

Beghairat people like you are worser than sc-um. You have never experienced war and the desperation of basic need like food, water and a shelter. Yet, as a beghairat as you're, you going around like a tape recorder and repeat your filth to everyone.

And no, you haven't shown any alternative, unless your so called alternative is to die from famine and war. Then I and anyone with a brain will say kindly no thank you.

Tajiks Pashtuns panjabis, uzbeks, iranians and others in the neighborhood are not foreign since they are neighbors. Foreign forces are people that are not in the neighborhood. Those people you speak numbered in the hundreds not 160,000+ NATO troops. so your comparison is weak, very weak.

Live and let live. Leave them alone so they can solve it themselves. In pashtunwali, one of the most baighyrat things to do is involve "pradee"->outsiders in internal affairs. Ghyrat is when you have a problem with someone that is internal, then you should man up and fix that person yourself, not invite pradee and have pradee beat him for you.

[DSM0305]

he does not get it. war and famine was brought by nato.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...th-development

you go to any village in Afghanistan, all the youth and adults are a bunch of drug addicts brought by nato.
http://www.dw.de/growing-afghan-intr...mic/a-15117447
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/20/bu...opium-addicts/

I lived in Afghanistan under Taliban. Compared to what it was back then and what it is now, the difference is heaven and hell. So fool yourself you beghairat teenage boy with low-self-esteem.

If it wasn't for taliban, there would have been billions of dollars poured into Pashtun areas, which cannot be done now, because people are afraid to go there. Military and governmental posts would be filled with Pashtuns from poor areas, so they could feed their children. Today these poor people cannot take any governmental works because of fear from Taliban.

I have been there under Taliban, so do not try fool anyone with your internet 'knowledge'. The famine have been greatly reduced compared to back then.

Before people misunderstand me; I do not support any particular ideology.
All I wish is to remove the famine and war in Afghanistan. Back in the day I supported Taliban because they ended the war and removed the warlords. Today Taliban are the cause of war and famine, so they should be 'removed'. I wouldn't care who rules the country as long they do something economically and security wise for Afghanistan. Taliban have no solution for the economy, all they do is destroy stuff and kill people, that why I am so against them.

[DSM0305]

Tajiks Pashtuns panjabis, uzbeks, iranians and others in the neighborhood are not foreign since they are neighbors. Foreign forces are people that are not in the neighborhood. Those people you speak numbered in the hundreds not 160,000+ NATO troops. so your comparison is weak, very weak.

Live and let live. Leave them alone so they can solve it themselves. In pashtunwali, one of the most baighyrat things to do is involve "pradee"->outsiders in internal affairs. Ghyrat is when you have a problem with someone that is internal, then you should man up and fix that person yourself, not invite pradee and have pradee beat him for you.

In Pashtunwali one doesn't flee his country and lives in the west. In Pashtunwali one should respect the host and the one who feeds you. Under Pashtunwali you're the biggest beghairat that ever existed.

Arabs aren't in our 'neigboorhood' nor is chechens. And nor does that logic even make any sense. By that logic soviet union wasn't a 'pradee'. And numbers doesn't matter, if there were more foreign arabs available, they would have welcomed them.

So firstly, you're adjusting your 'logic' to justify Taliban. Secondly, even by your own 'logic' you're wrong. Beghairata stay home and stay away from politics, you're way to stupid and a coward to interfere in mature things. Come back in 10 years, when you have experience the real life, before meddling in Afghanistan's affair.

[khushal]

I lived in Afghanistan under Taliban. Compared to what it was back then and what it is now, the difference is heaven and hell. So fool yourself you beghairat teenage boy with low-self-esteem.

If it wasn't for taliban, there would have been billions of dollars poured into Pashtun areas, which cannot be done now, because people are afraid to go there. Military and governmental posts would be filled with Pashtuns from poor areas, so they could feed their children. Today these poor people cannot take any governmental works because of fear from Taliban.

I have been there under Taliban, so do not try fool anyone with your internet 'knowledge'. The famine have been greatly reduced compared to back then.

Before people misunderstand me; I do not support any particular ideology.
All I wish is to remove the famine and war in Afghanistan. Back in the day I supported Taliban because they ended the war and removed the warlords. Today Taliban are the cause of war and famine, so they should be 'removed'. I wouldn't care who rules the country as long they do something economically and security wise for Afghanistan. Taliban have no solution for the economy, all they do is destroy stuff and kill people, that why I am so against them.

It depends on who you ask. I was also there but in the village. life was better under them than it is now. Today I am too scared to go to my village out of fear of warlords and criminal activity. Kabul is probably better economically but still security was still better under them.

But the reason you say its better is because American money has flowed in. It was not because of the genius of the administration. Take away the American economic funnel variable and you would have Kabul to what it was pre Taliban, warlords fighting each other, women getting raped, looting anyone in sight.

[DSM0305]

It depends on who you ask. I was also there but in the village. life was better under them than it is now. Today I am too scared to go to my village out of fear of warlords and criminal activity. Kabul is probably better economically but still security was still better under them.

But the reason you say its better is because American money has flowed in. It was not because of the genius of the administration. Take away the American economic funnel variable and you would have Kabul to what it was pre Taliban, warlords fighting each other, women getting raped, looting anyone in sight.

That why we shouldn't take away/remove American cow produced milk from Afghanistan.

It was worse regardless who you asked. The reason you cant go to your village is because of insurgence. Remove the insurgencies from the south and east, and you see how prosperous those areas will become.

[khushal]

That why we shouldn't take away/remove American cow produced milk from Afghanistan.

It was worse regardless who you asked. The reason you cant go to your village is because of insurgence. Remove the insurgencies from the south and east, and you see how prosperous those areas will become.

so basically what your promoting is having the cake and eating it too. So basically your Ok with Americans going to villages and shooting who ever they want as long as you in Kabul are safe. That does not work, it unravels and the result is 92-96 scenario because that's what Najib was doing.

When those village idiots come for you in Kabul when the money flow stops, don't blame them for what they will do because they are going to blame you and no one else. Your basically engineering your own destruction.

[DSM0305]

so basically what your promoting is having the cake and eating it too. So basically your Ok with Americans going to villages and shooting who ever they want as long as you in Kabul are safe. That does not work, it unravels and the result is 92-96 scenario because that's what Najib was doing.

When those village idiots come for you in Kabul when the money flow stops, don't blame them for what they will do because they are going to blame you and no one else. Your basically engineering your own destruction.

Are you stupid or just brain-dead? I am not a five year old child you can fool with your mongol logic. If you going to go full retard, then I do not have more time to waste on you. I thought I could put some sense into your beghairat mind, but apparently you also have a braincell shortage. So continue with your beghairati.

[khushal]

cry baby, you cant think deep. your too shallow minded. my prediction about Iraq came true and so will my prediction of Afghanistan as long as shallow minded people like you exist.

[DSM0305]

cry baby, you cant think deep. your too shallow minded. my prediction about Iraq came true and so will my prediction of Afghanistan as long as shallow minded people like you exist.

Well I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

[khushal]

I could agree with you but then I would be living in a contradiction because is it not you who criticizes Pakistan on every level but at the same time you are trying to create another Pakistan.