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    A senior campaign official for Mr. Abdullah, who won the most votes in the election’s first round, said the candidate believes President Hamid Karzai and a coterie of advisers around him orchestrated the fraud. The aim, in the estimation of the Abdullah campaign, was either to install Ashraf Ghani, the other candidate for president, or to see Mr. Karzai use a postelection crisis as an excuse to extend his own term in office.

    “Karzai is quite happy everything is tied up,” said the official, who spoke anonymously because the campaign was still collecting evidence of fraud. “They have engineered it in a way that goes far beyond the normal. It’s industrial-scale fraud.”

    The official, who is familiar with Mr. Abdullah’s thinking, questioned the neutrality of electoral officials and the courts, saying the candidate had no expectation that complaints would be addressed. Campaign officials also accused Mr. Ghani of being complicit in fraud.

    In his public statements, Mr. Abdullah has also suggested there was widespread fraud, though he has not leveled direct accusations at Mr. Karzai or other officials. Speaking to reporters on Sunday, Mr. Abdullah questioned initial reports that more than seven million Afghans had voted. (His campaign figures five million would have been more realistic.) He also said that his campaign staff had witnessed ballot stuffing in Kabul and elsewhere in favor of Mr. Ghani, and that some of the fraud was conducted by a senior elections officials.

    The campaign of Mr. Ghani, a former finance minister, said it would accept the official final result. But his campaign officials complained of fraud and violence on the part of Mr. Abdullah’s supporters, and accused Mr. Abdullah himself of violating campaign laws and stoking a crisis.

    “If Dr. Abdullah is not announced as unconditional winner, then the country might be led toward a crisis — that is what they have been saying,” said Faizullah Zaki, a spokesman for Mr. Ghani, at a news conference on Monday. “We believe such statements are a serious violation of the Constitution, electoral laws and the fundamental rule of election.”

    The hard line from the Abdullah campaign, before all the ballots were even counted or any evidence of fraud publicly disclosed, propelled concerns that Afghanistan was headed for a political showdown at a crucial and delicate moment in a country with a history of civil strife.

    For many in Afghanistan, the accusations of fraud directed at President Karzai’s circle echoes the fraught 2009 election and political crisis, when Mr. Karzai defeated Mr. Abdullah. In that vote, about 1.2 million ballots were thrown out as fraudulent, most of them biased toward Mr. Karzai.

    The election was headed for a second round before Mr. Abdullah stepped aside under pressure from some of his own Afghan political allies and American officials eager to see the crisis defused.

    This time, the Abdullah campaign official said, Mr. Abdullah believed that nothing good would come of his stepping aside to avoid a crisis. Allowing fraud to prevail would harm the country, the official said.

    Asked if Mr. Abdullah’s supporters, including powerful former warlords and militia commanders, would mobilize to support their candidate, the official said the campaign would “always ask them to show restraint.”

    Another drama that has consumed Kabul in the aftermath of the vote is an allegation that a top election official was caught with a truckload of blank ballots, driving them to an insecure area on the outskirts of Kabul without the mandatory police escort.

    Mr. Abdullah has publicly called for the removal of the official, Zia ul-Haq Amerkhel. The election commission has denied the allegations.


  • #2
    all these fools are involved in fraud, its just the guy who gets out-frauded who is going to complain about it the most.
    There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

    Sayyid Qutb

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    • #3
      Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
      all these fools are involved in fraud, its just the guy who gets out-frauded who is going to complain about it the most.
      Of course. In all eastern Afghanistan in favour of both candidates frauds occured. Someone should find the persons who are responsible for this and put those criminals into prison. But what is the real problem? The real problem is that Ghani claims from Paktiya, Paktika and Khost 1,2 million votes while all the voting population of these provinces together can not come up with 500 000 votes. This is the big fraud. It is a fraud when nearly all members and all the staff of the IEC and ECC belongs to one ethnic group. It is a fraud when Amarkhel, Sadat and other well-known Ghani supporters are part of these organisations. NEUTRALITY? No way!

      Amarkhel trying to take 1,2 other million blanc votes to Sorobi is also a fraud. Do Sorobi district of Kabul has 1,2 million voters??? People of Herat voted and lost their fingers. But Amarkhel steals their rights. This b*** has stolen the rights of his own people. All those victimes who lost their fingers where from the same Pashtun village. Any sign of deathbed repentance? No! Many Pashtuns call him now Atal Afghan ... is this correct? Of course not.
      Last edited by TajikNationalistGER; 06-16-2014, 10:32 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TajikNationalistGER View Post
        Of course. In all eastern Afghanistan in favour of both candidates frauds occured. Someone should find the persons who are responsible for this and put those criminals into prison. But what is the real problem? The real problem is that Ghani claims from Paktiya, Paktika and Khost 1,2 million votes while all the voting population of these provinces together can not come up with 500 000 votes. This is the big fraud. It is a fraud when nearly all members and all the staff of the IEC and ECC belongs to one ethnic group. It is a fraud when Amarkhel, Sadat and other well-known Ghani supporters are part of these organisations. NEUTRALITY? No way!

        Amarkhel trying to take 1,2 other million blanc votes to Sorobi is also a fraud. Do Sorobi district of Kabul has 1,2 million voters??? People of Herat voted and lost their fingers. But Amarkhel steals their rights. This b*** has stolen the rights of his own people. All those victimes who lost their fingers where from the same Pashtun village. Any sign of deathbed repentance? No! Many Pashtuns call him now Atal Afghan ... is this correct? Of course not.

        I believe the claim for Khost was that there were 500,000 registered voters and 400,000 votes which was unusually high. Afghans can be stupid but if officials were involved in the fraud, I find it hard to believe they would make it so obvious.

        I just find it sad that Afghans are dying to vote in a sham election where the winner will probably win because he committed the most fraud and the fact that these 2 clowns are actually on the same page on almost all issues. Afghans are only voting for which ugly face they want to see on billboards for the years to come, a frog or a gargoyle.
        There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

        Sayyid Qutb

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        • #5
          Even if it's by cheating, I hope Ghani wins, he has plans for the future, I've read most of his works - abdullah frog-eye abdullah will keep the country stagnant or cause it to regress even further.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 25tajik75pashtun View Post
            Even if it's by cheating, I hope Ghani wins, he has plans for the future, I've read most of his works - abdullah frog-eye abdullah will keep the country stagnant or cause it to regress even further.
            I am glad that you can reason on this so well, despite having such a huge disadvantage of having 25% Tajik in you.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 25tajik75pashtun View Post
              Even if it's by cheating, I hope Ghani wins, he has plans for the future, I've read most of his works - abdullah frog-eye abdullah will keep the country stagnant or cause it to regress even further.
              Ashraf Ghani is good for Ghilzai Pashtuns but not for Duranis, Uzbeks, Hazaras, Tajiks, Nuristanis, Balochis and all other people. If you support fraud committed by Ghani then you have no reason to cry why Abdullah´s team start to commit fraud.

              Let´s assume Ghani wins (A BIG LOL), what is his program for Afghanistan? He still has no any program introduced to the people of Afghanistan and the comic he has produced is just laughable. Ever read a paragraph to realize what kind of an idiot he is or are you just supporting him because of his ethnicity?
              Ghani becomes ''president'', he dies and Dostum will be the new president. Ghani can not control a wild ruthless animal like Dostum. Dostum will mobilize his militias who destablizie northern and western Afghanistan and once this happens, Tajik militias will start hunting Uzbeks and Naqleens. The minute Taliban getting stronger and Ghani plays against Uzbeks, Uzbeks will go against Pashtuns as well and you know well, I know it, Dostum and Ghani know it, that Ghani is just taking use of Dostum. Once in power, he will try to f*** him using his fake Human Rights reports and organizations against him. Are you really sure that Ghani can improve Afghanistan?
              Ghani´s victory means partition, Abdullah´s victory means more Pashtun insurgents but at least no partition. There is another factor. The next government has 70% less fiinancial aid and resources. How want Ghani to cancel this? By lying to the people he will create million of jobs within view years for them? Which rich and industrialized country can do this that Ghani with a unstructured Afghanistan want to make it true? Does he want to send the people collecting stones?
              You want Tajik resources like Gas, oil, gold, ... then Ghani must give the 1st VP to a Tajik with 40% of ministries. Is this the case? I don´t think so. In Ghani´s team there are only three Tajiks and the only powerful one of them is General Jurat who has only 3000 supporters in Panjshir.

              What Ghani contributed to Afghanistan in the last 13years when he was part of the government and one of the closest allies of Karzai owning a very powerful position? How Ghani improved the lifes of Pashtuns in southern Afghanistan where 70% of all foreign funds went? Abdullah won´t fail. His government won´t be weak. But what will create chaos are people like Ghani. But not the government will be the losers or the Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras and Balochis but Pashtuns. The worst case is war - and after war partition. If you are not ready to accept democracy and a democratic elected government, you are free to have your own government somewhere in Kandahar, Khost, Paktia. Neither Tajiks, Hazaras nor the Pakis and their allies are against this. Good luck. Every nation deserve an own state and an own government.

              I think it is our right to stand up and threaten Karzai, Ghani and Co when it comes to 1,2mio rigged votes. You people do everything to get to power. Even killing an innocent child in Jalalabad...

              The righteous people have always won at the end. Never forget this.
              Last edited by TajikNationalistGER; 06-17-2014, 09:28 AM.

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                • #9
                  In my opinion, the situation of Afghanistan will also descend into chaos after a few years just like that of Iraq has now. This is how the plan seems to have been designed. The unraveling of the two states Syria-Iraq in the ME may have a replay in Af-Pak.

                  The clash of civilization might have been forgotten in one part of the world but in the other it is being played with full vigor through an ingenues plan of destabilization as we see it in ME, North-Africa, and South-Central Asia.
                  Last edited by Toramana; 06-17-2014, 09:50 PM.

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                  • #10
                    On Face book search for "Nasir Amany" and you will find the video of people committing fraud in favor of Abdullah Abdullah.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by khushal View Post

                      God goodness...what is it for all you Paki boys dashing democracy?..show me your alternative or forever hold your peace!
                      ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                      نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                      چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                      نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                      سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                      بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                      چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                      يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                      سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                      په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                      ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                      اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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                      • #12
                        its not about dashing democracy. Democracy is good but what is taking place in Afghanistan in not democracy. That is the point.

                        and I have given you an alternative. Pick up a gun yourself and fight the one eyed village idiot yourself instead of bringing foreigners to do your job. Its tough but that is what has to be done.
                        Last edited by khushal; 06-19-2014, 02:44 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by khushal View Post
                          its not about dashing democracy. Democracy is good but what is taking place in Afghanistan in not democracy. That is the point.

                          and I have given you an alternative. Pick up a gun yourself and fight the one eyed village idiot yourself instead of bringing foreigners to do your job. Its tough but that is what has to be done.
                          It took centuries for Europe to have democracy. How can you think Afghanistan will have democracy all of the sudden. It will take some time but the start has already been taken.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Badlun View Post
                            It took centuries for Europe to have democracy. How can you think Afghanistan will have democracy all of the sudden. It will take some time but the start has already been taken.
                            yup but who brought that democracy to Europe. Did they bring in foreign forces or did they do it themselves.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by khushal View Post
                              its not about dashing democracy. Democracy is good but what is taking place in Afghanistan in not democracy. That is the point.

                              and I have given you an alternative. Pick up a gun yourself and fight the one eyed village idiot yourself instead of bringing foreigners to do your job. Its tough but that is what has to be done.
                              If you don't like foreign forces, leave the peaceful west that YOU live ind. Go back to Afghanistan and take arms against them. You're the biggest beghairat I have ever witnessed.
                              - A sour loser who lives in the west and yet complains about them.
                              - Suggest people should take arms against a one eyed person with a mongol mentality, yet you yourself have no guts to take arms against the so called 'foreign forces'
                              - A brainwashed idiot who complains about the current government, yet have no alternative to it.
                              - A beghairat who enjoy the prosperous and peaceful life of the west, yet wishes for famine and war to the Afghanistan.

                              This one eyed mongol himself was sourounded by Arabs, Pakis, chechens, foreign ubeks, foreign tajiks etc.
                              These so called mujahadeens licked American as.ses under Soviet invasion and now you're talking about 'foreign forces'. Come back when you have some ghairat, you shameless coward. If you were anywhere near me, I would have spitted on your face.
                              Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

                              People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

                              ''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
                              Ronald Reagan

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cmZyOrUA0

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI

                              Pashto dictionary:
                              http://thepashto.com/index.php

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