Tribal Elders Oppose Jirga and BSA

[randolph85]

The Saudis and Pakis are worse than Americans. They implanted the ethnic devide in Afghanistan. They have never done anything good for Afghanistan. Have you ever have seen any Saudi building our streets, schools, universities or hospitals? Only one time Saudis supported us financially, ...building a Saudi-controlled mosque within Kabul. Saudi presence and Paki presence aka Taliban means being slaves for ever. They use Islam and destroy us. America is much better than Saudi and paki colonialism or chinese invasion. We need to find a good place for our own in the modern global dynamics of neo-colonialism. Americans aren´t such a great danger for Afghanistan as Pakistan and Arabs are. The Americans don´t destroy our culture or language. Arabs want to impose on us Arabc and turn our country to a new Arab state and Pakistan want us as a fifth province with Urdu as national and official language and after some decades with growing population they will push millions of Muhajers to our country. ''American slavery'' is much better than being a slave of our real enemies. We need hospitals and medicines to heal our wounds and deseases, not Qoran verses. Qoran verses we need in the moesques, not in the civil life. Qoran doesn´t feed our families our give our kids credibility by studying and becoming a doctor of Qoran ... we need professors, craft-men, teachers, doctors. We have enbough Mullahs and enough Arabs and Pakis in Afghanistan. Do you know that 90% of all beggers in Kabul and all Afghanistan are neither Pashtuns nor Tajiks but Pakistanis and other ethnicties who never lived in that country before???

i have never seen any non afghan beggars in kabul, only a couple of beggars in nangarhar who may or may not of been afghan.

you are giving too much credit to foreign powers, the arabs and pakis, for implanting ethnic devide in the country. the ethnic divide was already created by biased pashtun leaders of the past, not some clueless arabs or punjabis.

if your idea of progress is roads and buildings and other such things, then wazir akbar khan should be a national criminal instead of a national hero for fighting against british imperialism in the country. surely if we bent over backwards for the british instead of fighting them, we would have all the shiny things that india has today, nay?

you speak of these arabs that want to ruin out culture but who are these people that you talk about? arab nations have never been invested enough in afghanistan to want to transform our culture. on the other hand, americans have introduced their own universities in the country and in fact have final say over afghan educational ciriculum. this is something that arabs or punjabis have never had such power over.

again, you and people like you have no faith in your own people and you need foreign kaffirs to play babysitter for afghan adults. its sad, pathetic, and laughable.

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karzai just wants history to remember him as a good leader so he will shift the blame and shame of foreign bases and occupation to the loya jirga and say that this was the decision of the people and he will respect the peoples decision.

no doubt the jirga will be comprised of mostly slaves, with some independent minded people who are invited in small numbers that will reject the agreement just so it looks fair. others who reject the agreement will not even show even if invited because they know their opinions don't matter in the big picture.

i am sure the agreement is already signed, they are just waiting for this drama show to play out so they can publicly announce it. its like the first jirga when karzai accepted the presidency when officially the jirga hadn't even decided on it yet publicly.

more and more people are becoming aware of what the implications are and how it is totally against afghan interest to have foreign bases and to sign the most ridiculous contract of putting foreign forces above the law.

just been watching arianatv and there is a debate going on on this matter among the members and there is a clear resistance in the parliament as well.

its true that only those who are in favour of this ridiculous agreement will have attention and the ones against it will be shunned by karzai.

this has been happening from the beggining.

not just karzai but most democracies put the blame on the people after they use people to give legitimacy to their decisions.

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i have never seen any non afghan beggars in kabul, only a couple of beggars in nangarhar who may or may not of been afghan.

you are giving too much credit to foreign powers, the arabs and pakis, for implanting ethnic devide in the country. the ethnic divide was already created by biased pashtun leaders of the past, not some clueless arabs or punjabis.

if your idea of progress is roads and buildings and other such things, then wazir akbar khan should be a national criminal instead of a national hero for fighting against british imperialism in the country. surely if we bent over backwards for the british instead of fighting them, we would have all the shiny things that india has today, nay?

you speak of these arabs that want to ruin out culture but who are these people that you talk about? arab nations have never been invested enough in afghanistan to want to transform our culture. on the other hand, americans have introduced their own universities in the country and in fact have final say over afghan educational ciriculum. this is something that arabs or punjabis have never had such power over.

again, you and people like you have no faith in your own people and you need foreign kaffirs to play babysitter for afghan adults. its sad, pathetic, and laughable.

he is a total moron and most likely that Thejokestani troll
dont pay him attantion as he is simply irrelevant and nothing he says is backed by evidence.

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The Taliban's salaries came from Islamabad's federal budget. Karzai's government is funded by the US.
where is the evidence for this? or is it just your and that of karzai admins desperation?

The Taliban's foreign affairs were controlled by Islamabad. Karzai's foreign affairs are under US control.
than how come they didnt recognise durrand line and constantly shot at pakistani soldiers at torkham and other places?

Islamabad would send FC to fight alongside the Taliban. The US sends its air force to aid the ANA.
FC is fighting against the taliban not alongside them.
where is your evidence? as we can see with ANA and napak forces?


The Taliban were aided and mentored by Pakistani majors. The US mentors Karzai's army.
again you have no evidence for this just parroting the common propaganda.Pakistani majors and soldiers are being killed by taliban.
The Taliban never attacked Pakistan or its interests. Karzai cannot work against American interests.
you must be extremely desperate to say this but seeing that you are a communist loser it is only logical for you to follow utter propaganda.
taliban has always attacked pakistani interests.there were many border attacks at taliban time and nowadays if you are not blind or a commie you could see fazlullah and hakimullah and their fight against pakistan.

The Taliban (and their allies) sought refuge in Pakistan after 2001. Karzai and his cronies will fly to the US after their fall.

they got refuge from fellow Pashtuns and this shows that Pashtuns arent bound by British made bounderies.Pakistan couldnt dare to deny them entry as this would have angered the tribals.also it is pakistan that supports the campagne against taliban in Afghanistan and pukhtunkhwa.
matter of fact Afghan government will fall in days if it wasnt for pakistani support.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

they got refuge from fellow Pashtuns and this shows that Pashtuns arent bound by British made bounderies.Pakistan couldnt dare to deny them entry as this would have angered the tribals.also it is pakistan that supports the campagne against taliban in Afghanistan and pukhtunkhwa.
matter of fact Afghan government will fall in days if it wasnt for pakistani support.

Pakistani's funding of the Taliban.

Mahmud Khan Achakzai has mentioned this and other things in his speeches many times. There are also many other authors (Pakistanis, American, etc) who testify to this. It's common knowledge.


FC in Afghanistan.


Name one Pakistani soldier killed by the Quetta Shura (Omar group), Haqqanis, Hekmatyars, Hafiz Gul Bahadur group, etc.

You are confused and your facts are all over the place.

How old are you?

[Khilji]

Pakistani's funding of the Taliban.

Mahmud Khan Achakzai has mentioned this and other things in his speeches many times. There are also many other authors (Pakistanis, American, etc) who testify to this. It's common knowledge.


FC in Afghanistan.


Name one Pakistani soldier killed by the Quetta Shura (Omar group), Haqqanis, Hekmatyars, Hafiz Gul Bahadur group, etc.

You are confused and your facts are all over the place.

How old are you?

taliban is a movement came to life because of the civilwar of the diffrent warlords in afghanistan that the usa armed trained paid and no benazir bhutto(pakistan)la is not the mother of the taliban and no usa is not the father of taliban.

[Tiger Khan]

they got refuge from fellow Pashtuns and this shows that Pashtuns arent bound by British made bounderies.Pakistan couldnt dare to deny them entry as this would have angered the tribals.also it is pakistan that supports the campagne against taliban in Afghanistan and pukhtunkhwa.
matter of fact Afghan government will fall in days if it wasnt for pakistani support.

Dude.. dont give pakistanies to much credit.. lol.. If taliban are still standing in afghanistan .. i think it is their own perseverance and stamina.. Lets be honest.. paksitan created them.. and when it became too hot.. they just left the kitchen and betrayed them.. lool.. see what happend to mullah zaeef etc.. pakistan has a history of giving its own people up, what made you think they would support an afghani.. I think everyone knew that america would not hold for long.. so its kind of waiting game i guess.. i think as soon as america leaves you would have another civil war.. And no paksitan does not support the northern alliance dominated indian supported afghan governemnt.. if the governemnt is surving its support by everyone else but pakistan.. Look at indians they have never donated a penny to anyone..yet they donate around a billion dollars to Afghanistani govt.. i am sure they would want something in return...

There is a very interesting documentry on this on ALjazzera (In colloboration with frecnh media).. you should see it..

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Pakistani's funding of the Taliban.
irrelevant and unreliable.
show concrete evidence not something written by a paki.


Mahmud Khan Achakzai has mentioned this and other things in his speeches many times. There are also many other authors (Pakistanis, American, etc) who testify to this. It's common knowledge.
Mahmoud khan called Mullah Omar and taliban as his brothers. do you accept that as well? So if Mullah Omar is a pakistani isi agent than what does that make mahmud khan himself who is in pakistani government and speak urdu to fellow pashtuns in pathankhwa regional parliament.

the Pakistani or american authors are irrelevant and those sources are unreliable.

FC in Afghanistan.
irrelevant and unreliable.
show concrete evidence not something written by a paki.



Name one Pakistani soldier killed by the Quetta Shura (Omar group), Haqqanis, Hekmatyars, Hafiz Gul Bahadur group, etc.

TTP is part of Taliban or you like most pakistani pathans believe that they are indian raw israeli agents. mullah Omar is Amir of TTP.
now tell me how many attacks TTP has inflicted on Pakistani extablishment?



You are confused and your facts are all over the place.
Says the guy with lenin as his profile pic.


How old are you?

Irrelevant

Show some concrete evidence

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Mahmood Khan Achakzai along with balelwi sufi Sunni Ittehad received fundings from US government to spread propaganda against Taliban in Pakistan.

Anything that pig, Mahmood Khan says is therefore invalid as a source.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Irrelevant

Show some concrete evidence

Please learn to quote posts properly.

Does William Maley look like a Paki or American to you?

I think you're one of those kids who grew up outside the lar ao bar Pashtun watan and have a warped view of how things are here.

Who said TTP are Indian agents? They are ideologically the same as the Omar group but they've had differences in the past, especially with regards to action against Pakistan. For instance, Mullah Nazir and Hafiz Gul Bahadur have time and again attacked the Mehsud Taliban and their IMU allies in North Waziristan. Google it.

To this day, the Omar faction has not attacked Pakistan even though the Pakistanis handed over their senior ambassador to the US. Google it.

Here's my suggestion. Stop wasting time here. Buy a couple of books. Maybe three. Read them. Go to college, attend classes. Become informed and educated. Learn to reason.

pa makha de kha.

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Dude.. dont give pakistanies to much credit.. lol.. If taliban are still standing in afghanistan .. i think it is their own perseverance and stamina.. Lets be honest.. paksitan created them.. and when it became too hot.. they just left the kitchen and betrayed them.. lool.. see what happend to mullah zaeef etc.. pakistan has a history of giving its own people up, what made you think they would support an afghani.. I think everyone knew that america would not hold for long.. so its kind of waiting game i guess.. i think as soon as america leaves you would have another civil war.. And no paksitan does not support the northern alliance dominated indian supported afghan governemnt.. if the governemnt is surving its support by everyone else but pakistan.. Look at indians they have never donated a penny to anyone..yet they donate around a billion dollars to Afghanistani govt.. i am sure they would want something in return...

There is a very interesting documentry on this on ALjazzera (In colloboration with frecnh media).. you should see it..

Pakistan didnt create taliban , Thats a big lie.
like hitler said
“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”
thats the case here.
What happend to Mullah Zaeef is exactly why the theory of Pakistan created them doesnt work. Yes Pakistan did recognise their government along with some arab countries and bangladesh. pakistan did it to secure their own asses from having a hostile taliban.

they do support the Afghan government and foreign troops by helping them with supply route. If pakistan didnt help AFG gov would have fallen already.
Pakistan does have linsk with northern alliance and supports the Afghan government thats why AFG gov is supplied through pakistan and pakistan has free hand attacking Afghan cities with missiles.

Indians and Pakistanis are securing their interests through the Afghan gov.
Pakistanis have many commercial hospitals and over 6000 peopel working in AFG in different sectors. they also help build some schools in north AFG balkh province.
Indians are trying to steal our natural resources but the difference is Indians havent shot missiles at Afghan cities.


what is the documentary called?

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Please learn to quote posts properly.
thats not important in our dicussion
Does William Maley look like a Paki or American to you?

another irrelevant and unreliable source.

I think you're one of those kids who grew up outside the lar ao bar Pashtun watan and have a warped view of how things are here.
you have a brain to think? i thought all of you comunists were braindrained. I was born and lived in Afghanistan and have seen things up close and interact with people without hidding what i stand for unliek you who pretends to eb a muslim when with Pashtuns.
Also been to pukhtunkhwa and know peshawar very well.
read write and speak pukhto,dari ,urdu.

Who said TTP are Indian agents? They are ideologically the same as the Omar group but they've had differences in the past, especially with regards to action against Pakistan. For instance, Mullah Nazir and Hafiz Gul Bahadur have time and again attacked the Mehsud Taliban and their IMU allies in North Waziristan. Google it.

you and your paki controlled media.
it was pakis who said there was clashes , most likely ISPR.
TTP has always been under the command of Mullah Omar.
there was also a rumor that Mullah Omar was unhappy when Hakimullah Excuted the ISI top agent cpt Imam. that was another paki damage control.

To this day, the Omar faction has not attacked Pakistan even though the Pakistanis handed over their senior ambassador to the US. Google it.
.
TTP can be considerd "Omar's faction".
there you go the problem has been solved for you.
only paki islami nationalists believe that TTP or haqani are different or nto under command of Mullah Omar.

Here's my suggestion. Stop wasting time here. Buy a couple of books. Maybe three. Read them. Go to college, attend classes. Become informed and educated. Learn to reason.

Dont waste my time.
you are a commie so obviously your idealogy has no support in pashtun lands so it is you who needs to get some education , stop reading selectively propaganda pieces to make you feel good.
you are the one who is unreasonable and irrational.
please get some education and try to do some critical thinking but i guess that is not what you do since the facts speak against you.

pa makha de kha.

Pa makha dey khra

[Khostai]

Dude.. dont give pakistanies to much credit.. lol.. If taliban are still standing in afghanistan .. i think it is their own perseverance and stamina.. Lets be honest.. paksitan created them.. and when it became too hot.. they just left the kitchen and betrayed them.. lool.. see what happend to mullah zaeef etc.. pakistan has a history of giving its own people up, what made you think they would support an afghani.. I think everyone knew that america would not hold for long.. so its kind of waiting game i guess.. i think as soon as america leaves you would have another civil war.. And no paksitan does not support the northern alliance dominated indian supported afghan governemnt.. if the governemnt is surving its support by everyone else but pakistan.. Look at indians they have never donated a penny to anyone..yet they donate around a billion dollars to Afghanistani govt.. i am sure they would want something in return...

There is a very interesting documentry on this on ALjazzera (In colloboration with frecnh media).. you should see it..

If the distruction of Porkistan is what they want in returnm than Afghans would be very happy to work toghether with Indians.

[Tiger Khan]

If the distruction of Porkistan is what they want in returnm than Afghans would be very happy to work toghether with Indians.

Keep telling yourself that Indians are your frineds.. and Meraculously afghanistan will be a super nation as soon as pakistan is destroyed.. Also know .. that had aghanistan been in the shoes of pakistan and vice versa.. i am willing to bet anything., that Afghanistan would have done the same thing.. afghanistan is notbeing ruled by prophets.. its standard corrupt muslim leaders.. if you think other wise.. you are just too young and naieve..

[Khostai]

Keep telling yourself that Indians are your frineds.. and Meraculously afghanistan will be a super nation as soon as pakistan is destroyed.. Also know .. that had aghanistan been in the shoes of pakistan and vice versa.. i am willing to bet anything., that Afghanistan would have done the same thing.. afghanistan is notbeing ruled by prophets.. its standard corrupt muslim leaders.. if you think other wise.. you are just too young and naieve..

Yes I know that Afghanistan is ruled by moeny hungry Islamist who sold there asses ot US and also are selling Afghanistan now, but we must be real, Pakistan death means freedom to Baluch and Pashtuns. And when we don't have to deal with suicide bombers from Pakistan, we can deal with Afghanistan corrupt bearded mullahs, who worships the devil.