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  • There is no doubt Arabic of the Quran is the sacred language.

    Now the Arabic I have heard from Saudis, Ordanis, falastini, soori and the masri is so disagreeable to my ears.

    The meaning of words and context of Fus-ha (classic Arabic) is still debated by these Arabs not agreeing on what certain words mean. For instance Jayb and khimar are ambiguously understood that it leads some think it means a fully covered women, other think face shown not hair and misinterpretations go on. It's perhaps better to get our mullahs to learn fus-ha and remove any signs of blatant ignorance. Let Arabic be the prerequisite to any Islamic course or even keep Fus-ha Arabic as a compulsory course to ALL undergraduate level studies.

    Going back to Amir Hamza Shinwari's words, Pashto takes me home.
    Last edited by torkham; 11-08-2015, 09:11 AM.

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    • Originally posted by torkham View Post
      There is no doubt Arabic of the Quran is the sacred language.

      Now the Arabic I have heard from Saudis, Ordanis, falastini, soori and the masri is so disagreeable to my ears.

      The meaning of words and context of Fus-ha (classic Arabic) is still debated by these Arabs not agreeing on what certain words mean. For instance Jayb and khimar are ambiguously understood that it leads some think it means a fully covered women, other think face shown not hair and misinterpretations go on. It's perhaps better to get our mullahs to learn fus-ha and remove any signs of blatant ignorance. Let Arabic be the prerequisite to any Islamic course or even keep Fus-ha Arabic as a compulsory course to ALL undergraduate level studies.

      Going back to Amir Hamza Shinwari's words, Pashto takes me home.
      Fusha is basically uniform, though with some slight differences e.g. certain countries may prefer more regular usage of one word whereas in other regions they prefer to use another word, both more or less using the same thing.

      MSA (Modern Standard Arabic) and classical however have a greater difference.

      The difference in MSA in Arab countries is less than the difference between British English and American English.

      I agree that those studying Islam should know Arabic, it doesn't necessarily mean one becomes an Arab or supports Arabism, just as someone like me knowing English doesn't mean I support Anglo-American imperialism (in fact I am very much opposed to it).

      In Latin America, some of the writers of those countries writing in Spanish attack "Los conquistadores" (Spanish invaders) whilst paradoxically taking pride in the same language that these conquerors forced them to learn.
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      • Originally posted by torkham View Post
        No language is sweeter than the Pashto of my mother and father, and my brothers and sisters.

        The words of Hamza echo in my head:

        اغیار خو وايي د دوزخ ژبه ده – زه به جنت ته د پښتو سره ځم
        What is the evidence from Quran and Sunnah that you will go to paradise with Pashto?
        Originally posted by Firdousi
        Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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        • Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
          What is the evidence from Quran and Sunnah that you will go to paradise with Pashto?
          Are you saying people will lose their language once they enter heaven?



          "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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          • Originally posted by Damir9000 View Post
            Are you saying people will lose their language once they enter heaven?
            No. I am saying that how and why people go to paradise is stipulated in the Quran and Sunnah. If a person makes a claim about how or why he will go to paradise, while claiming to be a Muslim, then this person must also have evidence from Quran and Sunnah to back up his claim.
            Originally posted by Firdousi
            Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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            • Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
              No. I am saying that how and why people go to paradise is stipulated in the Quran and Sunnah. If a person makes a claim about how or why he will go to paradise, while claiming to be a Muslim, then this person must also have evidence from Quran and Sunnah to back up his claim.
              It is a figure of speech.



              "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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              • Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                What is the evidence from Quran and Sunnah that you will go to paradise with Pashto?
                Well unless I lose function of speech I'll be speaking Pashto as my language of thought and speech. I hope I recite a few lines from the Quran in my last breath.
                What I speak after death lol who knows that???
                As for destination janat, that's my arman.
                In sha Allah.

                BTW Do you think in Dinglish or Arabic?
                Last edited by torkham; 11-08-2015, 11:08 AM.

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                • Originally posted by torkham View Post
                  Well unless I lose function of speech I'll be speaking Pashto as my language of thought and speech. I hope I recite a few lines from the Quran in my last breath.
                  What I speak after death lol who knows that???
                  As for destination janat, that's my arman.

                  Do you think in Dinglish or Arabic?
                  I think in at least 4 languages. But that is not the question. The statement: I will go to paradise with/by Pashto, implies that Pashto is the sabab of going to paradise. Another implication of the stament is: Pashto is the language of paradise. Similarly, there are other implications.

                  When a statment can have several dangerous implications, it is better not to repeat it. Because it can constitute kufr.

                  The nationalists believe that Islam says that Pashto is the language of hell. They often claim that this is what Mullahs teach. I've asked many nationalists to quote one Mullah's book or provide any evidence. I haven't seen any proof.

                  I have only found this statement attributed to Mullahs in nationalist literature.

                  I have a strong feeling this may be one of many fabrications of people like Ghaffar Khan.

                  But let us assume that a Mullah really does say such a thing. If a Mulah says: pashto is the language of hell, it means that he has received revelation from Allah saying that in hell people will be speaking Pashto. Since nobody receives revelations after Prophet Muhammed, it means that the Mullah who says this is lying against Allah. Lying against Islam. Lying against Allah is an act of kufr. Which means that if a Mullah says anything like this, it renders him out of the fold of Islam.

                  What is the rational thing to do for a Muslim when someone says such a thing? Invent a poem in response which also has kufri implications? Obviously not.

                  Therefore, it is best not to repeat that silly line.
                  Originally posted by Firdousi
                  Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                  • i bet when shamlawar gets drunk, he starts rolling on the floor and wailing in arabic.

                    "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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                    • O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

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                      • Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                        I think in at least 4 languages. But that is not the question. The statement: I will go to paradise with/by Pashto, implies that Pashto is the sabab of going to paradise. Another implication of the stament is: Pashto is the language of paradise. Similarly, there are other implications.

                        When a statment can have several dangerous implications, it is better not to repeat it. Because it can constitute kufr.

                        The nationalists believe that Islam says that Pashto is the language of hell. They often claim that this is what Mullahs teach. I've asked many nationalists to quote one Mullah's book or provide any evidence. I haven't seen any proof.

                        I have only found this statement attributed to Mullahs in nationalist literature.

                        I have a strong feeling this may be one of many fabrications of people like Ghaffar Khan.

                        But let us assume that a Mullah really does say such a thing. If a Mulah says: pashto is the language of hell, it means that he has received revelation from Allah saying that in hell people will be speaking Pashto. Since nobody receives revelations after Prophet Muhammed, it means that the Mullah who says this is lying against Allah. Lying against Islam. Lying against Allah is an act of kufr. Which means that if a Mullah says anything like this, it renders him out of the fold of Islam.

                        What is the rational thing to do for a Muslim when someone says such a thing? Invent a poem in response which also has kufri implications? Obviously not.

                        Therefore, it is best not to repeat that silly line.
                        I always assumed Amir Hamza meant he will speak Pashto till he dies rather than replace it with another language, eg Urdu as the case with some "Pathans" who move from FATA to KPK. as for after death I cannot comment on his niya.

                        Can't comment on anp lot, ghafar Khan et al., and what nationalist mullahs say. Does sound like a fabrication as you assert.

                        I asked whether you think in Dutch with English vocabulary?? Bcz answer to that is indicative of the power and affinity to our mother tongue - assuming you were introduced to Pashto in formative years.

                        But I feel comfortable having Arabic to all undergrad education in Muslim countries as compulsory so we the ummah have better understanding of Quran and Ahadith, and not because we want to read khalil gibran or other depak copra type Sufi.
                        Last edited by torkham; 11-08-2015, 02:38 PM.

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                        • Arabs and Jews are worst than parasites. They have actually not invented a **** through out the whole human history. All stolen knowledge from mighty Iranian races and others empires they conquered. After conquering and raping in their campaign, they only rewrite knowledge from other mighty civilisations and foreign books, history and took it as their own. **** all arab worshippers and traitors inside Pashtun soil. We will get to you soon enough, you can't hide behind ISLAM you traitor little wahabi Saudi abdullah cock sucking losers!
                          To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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                          • How are you DZJ?

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                            • doing alright, shriveled old prune. what are you snooping around my profile for??

                              "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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                              • Originally posted by Loy Afghanistan View Post
                                Arabs and Jews are worst than parasites. They have actually not invented a **** through out the whole human history. All stolen knowledge from mighty Iranian races and others empires they conquered. After conquering and raping in their campaign, they only rewrite knowledge from other mighty civilisations and foreign books, history and took it as their own. **** all arab worshippers and traitors inside Pashtun soil. We will get to you soon enough, you can't hide behind ISLAM you traitor little wahabi Saudi abdullah cock sucking losers!



                                "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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