Dividing Afghanistan

[Tiger Khan]

ANy ideology or movement motivated by hatred is doomed to fail because once you draw lines, someone else will draw another so once Pashtuns have hated everyone else, separated themselves, Then it becomes Durrani vs. Ghilzai or Zazai vs. Zadran.

Slippery slope.

hmm. i agree with you.. to a certain extent.. however, whats shocking is how closed afghanistani pashtuns are to other peoples comments..

[Tiger Khan]

so then why do you want a loy afghanistan?

but you not you always spread hate towards uzbeks and tajiks

Thank you.. but i will answer that for your.. see some people when they are arguing they just give up because of weak nerves.. than they either want it all or nothing at all .. if you knw what i mean. "Exibit A" wants nothing at all. (Exibit A being Brother Kushan in this case, Although i think he is a good guy)

[Tiger Khan]

So I have a better idea, how about we NOT HATE ANYONE? , just make better judgement and decisions and stop making excuses or bull**** attempts ad scapegoating like this Bostan Propaganda Robot and Tigress Khan are trying to do.

Its Tiger Khan.. stop name calling.. it just shows you dont have much to defend your point of view.. therefore, you have to resort to name calling.. how about i call you pink girly revolution through deception ?? that would hurt you right .. haha jk . Plus i am sure you know that was not my name..

Fine lets not hate anyone.. including Punjabies and start making something out of ourselves .. so that we are admired.. Our poor are not manipulated in the name of religion.. our women go to school and have opportunities (I do not agree with western defination of freedom), our people have complete control of there resources and lives..

Lets stop blaming ISI, Punjabies, Pakistanies, Tajiks, Indians, Americans for our shortcomings and make something out of our ownselves.. Savy?

[Kushan Prince]

so then why do you want a loy afghanistan?

but you not you always spread hate towards uzbeks and tajiks

You need to keep your communist nose out of afghan affairs because you are neither afghan or Pashtun.

[HalloIsBack]

You need to keep your communist nose out of afghan affairs because you are neither afghan or Pashtun.

any evidence that i'm a communist?

so now you admit that afghan and pashtun is not the same nowadays. good progress halaka!

[Kushan Prince]

any evidence that i'm a communist?

so now you admit that afghan and pashtun is not the same nowadays. good progress halaka!

Naw its pretty much the same thing. But you know nowadays its used as a nationality as well. Like I said get lost, you don't have any right to participate in these issues as a kharijay.

[HalloIsBack]

Naw its pretty much the same thing. But you know nowadays its used as a nationality as well. Like I said get lost, you don't have any right to participate in these issues as a kharijay.

fine then pashtuns and taliban are the same thing too.

i don't care about your opinion should i participate or not. this forum is in english and so everybody can participate oterwise this forum would be total in pashto but you cannot even speak pashto in proper way as we already know it.

[Kushan Prince]

fine then pashtuns and taliban are the same thing too.

i don't care about your opinion should i participate or not. this forum is in english and so everybody can participate oterwise this forum would be total in pashto but you cannot even speak pashto in proper way as we already know it.

Oh yea? then how come you were writing in Russian with other users on here then before huh? Nobody cares about your opinion because you are a troll. The only reason you are here is to look for a husband instead of trying one of those Russian ad agencies on the internet.

You have contributed nothing here but garbage.

[HalloIsBack]

Oh yea? then how come you were writing in Russian with other users on here then before huh? Nobody cares about your opinion because you are a troll. The only reason you are here is to look for a husband instead of trying one of those Russian ad agencies on the internet.

You have contributed nothing here but garbage.

so it's not allowed to write in russian language in this forum? this is something new for me. other user are writing in another languages too. so where is the problem? the problem is that i don't agree with you and if somebody don't agree with you you call them trolls.

from where do you know about this ad agencies on the internet? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm well maybe it's cuz you cannot find a pashtana in your age they are all already engaged

what is garbage always depends on the point of view!
lots of people in slums are happy to live in garbage. better than nothing!

[Kushan Prince]

so it's not allowed to write in russian language in this forum? this is something new for me. other user are writing in another languages too. so where is the problem? the problem is that i don't agree with you and if somebody don't agree with you you call them trolls.

from where do you know about this ad agencies on the internet? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm well maybe it's cuz you cannot find a pashtana in your age they are all already engaged

what is garbage always depends on the point of view!
lots of people in slums are happy to live in garbage. better than nothing!

You see? you don't take anything seriously which is why people see you as a troll. You first said everybody writes here in English and then you say we can write any language we want. See the hypocrisy?

Look at the dumb threads you open like this: http://www.pashtunforums.com/hujra/40164.htm#post710161

Seriously, get a life!

[HalloIsBack]

You see? you don't take anything seriously which is why people see you as a troll. You first said everybody writes here in English and then you say we can write any language we want. See the hypocrisy?

Look at the dumb threads you open like this: http://www.pashtunforums.com/hujra/40164.htm#post710161

Seriously, get a life!

i take lots of things seriously but life sucks so remain happy

and as i already said i will never leave you

[Kushan Prince]

i take lots of things seriously but life sucks so remain happy

and as i already said i will never leave you

Your a juvenile delencwint. Its better to ignore you then talk you since that strives up attention for you.

I wish you well on your cure for delinquency.

[HalloIsBack]

Your a juvenile delencwint. Its better to ignore you then talk you since that strives up attention for you.

I wish you well on your cure for delinquency.

juvenile? thank you so much

[Tiger Khan]

OK.. well i am done with this thread as well.. it has out lived its usefulness. Here is my conclusion:

· Pashtuns of Afghanistan do not want to break up Afghanistan (which i think is a good thing, but they need to understand that dynamics have changed a little)
· Division of Pakistan is, however, encouraged.
· Punjabis should be hated, however, Tajiks are good people (I am being sarcastic).
· Afghanistan would have made it big if there was no involvement of Pakistan, ISI, etc. etc..in their affairs (Surprisingly Afghanistan does not blame Americans for their shortcoming as much as Pakistan)
· Pakistan would have made it big had there been no involvement of USA, Israel (for some reason), Iran, Russia (Pakistan has a longer list of people to blame in their affairs, but Americans (The good old Red White and Blue) stand out.
· Pakistani pashtuns have "Inferiority complex" and they are slaves to Punjabis.
· Afghanistan pashtuns are liberated and they are being treated pretty decently by Tajiks/Uzbeks/Hazaras. Nobody is ganging up against them, and they have only marginal under representation in government.
· I am tempted to say that Afghanistan is technologically, educationally, financially more advanced than Pakistan (No one said it verbatim, but the point was alluded too)
· Pakistan hates India, however, Afghanitsan does not have many issues with them.
· Finally, Pakistan has never done anything good for Afghanistan. Afghan-Russian war, Afghan refugees in Pakistan etc etc is all bull crap.. none of that happened.

Ps. Br. Khushan and Hallo stop fighting,,. You guys are not making sense anymore…

Bottom line is we are all Pashtun and want what “we think” is good for Pashtun nation and Islam, I have no doubt about that. And Afghanistan returning refugees (Most of whom are Pashtuns (I won’t say which country they are returning from) should be settled in western Afghanistan i.e. Badghais and Herat and northern province of Balkh.

[Smarty]

· Division of Pakistan is, however, encouraged.
· Punjabis should be hated, however, Tajiks are good people (I am being sarcastic).

Ever heard of word national interest?.Disintgration of pakistan is in the national interest of afghans while weak dependent afghanistan is the national interest of pakistan.
Against Pakistan's role in afghanistan, both pashtuns and tajiks are on the same page.
There is demographic imbalance in afghanistan , the majority is not big as bulk of its population ended up in British india in 1893 and subsequently to pakistan. Any afghan would want to restore natural boundaries of Afghanistan and for that disintegration of pakistan is necessary.

· Afghanistan would have made it big if there was no involvement of Pakistan, ISI, etc. etc..in their affairs (Surprisingly Afghanistan does not blame Americans for their shortcoming as much as Pakistan)

This also surprises me. Russians and Afghan communists killed more than 3 million afghans and because of them afghanistan has been in the state of war for last 4 decades yet for urban afghans pakistanis are more despicable than any other creature in this world, perhaps it has to do with deep psyche and wounds that are still fresh from durand line division.

Not just urban afghans, pashtuns nationalists like ANPites still cheer for najibullah, the worst pashtuns we saw in 20th century.

· Pakistani pashtuns have "Inferiority complex" and they are slaves to Punjabis.

Many pakistani pashtuns, the educated ones who prefer pant shirts/jeans ovr khat partoog have high chances of developing identity crisis and low self-esteem. they are misfits in the dominant desi culture and environment of Pakistan.
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Afghanistan pashtuns are liberated and they are being treated pretty decently by Tajiks/Uzbeks/Hazaras. Nobody is ganging up against them, and they have only marginal under representation in government.

Tajiks are competent people, it doesnt mean pashtuns are getting enslaved in their own country. Believe me Afghani-pashtun is not insecure like the pakistani one.

· Pakistan hates India, however, Afghanitsan does not have many issues with them.

Its all about national interests, in international relations a country is not really a friend of another country, its all about diplomacy, trade, national interests etc
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Finally, Pakistan has never done anything good for Afghanistan. Afghan-Russian war, Afghan refugees in Pakistan etc etc is all bull crap.. none of that happened.

If we come to ground reality, pakistan can starve afghanistan with mere blockade and sealing of the border. Afghans are highly dependent on Pakistan, though they wont admit it due to inborn pride. This also means that afghanistan can not go in war with pakistan. For such reason many pashtun nationalsists inculde entire balochistan in their dream map of loy afghanistan.

If Divsison of pashtuns or patition of india had not happened, then afghans would have very good relations with muslims across river indus.