Dividing Afghanistan

[Tiger Khan]

As if ISI has not operated against tajiks/northern alliance. The whole taliban movement was backed by ISI against northern alliance. In Afghan jihad pashtun groups favoured and today haqqani network is being supported by ISI against tajik-dominant kabul governament. You question would be why ISI support islamist pashtuns in Afghanistan, why not tajiks?. One is stretagic depth policy, another is to empower pashtuns so that they are satisfied and content in afghanistan. If they are left out of power and sidelined, then they would naturally look towards pakistani pashtuns and need for greater pakhtunistan would resonate and intensify , which would be not good for pakistan.

I agree.. but are there any significant Tajik Islamist group?. Also Haqanis (and even Taliban) are Pashtuns (Afghnistan side) so its not like ISI is fighting there.. its pashtun themselves.. Obvious thing to mention is that pashtuns are always manipultaed in the name of religion. They really need to think things from all the aspects.. see pashtuns out number Sindhies in paksitan in every walk of life, exmple, business, army, education etc etc but Sindhis have much more political weight because they are good followers.. Its very hard to unit pashtuns.. unless someone really goes medieval on their AS*. Therefore, you creat a country which is mainly pashtun, where there can be lesser proportinate traitors who side with ousdiers..

[Smarty]

. Also Haqanis (and even Taliban) are Pashtuns (Afghnistan side) so its not like ISI is fighting there..

Intelligence agencies dont fight in battlefields, da khabara maghza key kenawaa.I didnt say any where that haqqanis are puppets/agents of ISI. ISI is simply backing them as strategic assets and in exchange for few favors , they are providing them sanctuaries in north waziristan with immunity from any kind of military action.Moreover they are allowed to freely collect funds and recruit men in pakistan.Their relationship with jalaludin haqqani dates back to 70s.

Afghan taliban of quetta shura do not have that level of relationship that haqqanis have with ISI. But they are allowed to have their shura in Quetta.

its pashtun themselves.. Obvious thing to mention is that pashtuns are always manipultaed in the name of religion. They really need to think things from all the aspects.. see pashtuns out number Sindhies in paksitan in every walk of life, exmple, business, army, education etc etc but Sindhis have much more political weight because they are good followers.. Its very hard to unit pashtuns.. unless someone really goes medieval on their AS*. Therefore, you creat a country which is mainly pashtun, where there can be lesser proportinate traitors who side with ousdiers..

Pashtuns are highly egalitarian, de-centralized and democratic.........slave-minded sindhis with wadairas imposed on them are not good example for pashtuns to follow.

You cant 'force' pashtuns to unite under one banner, but they would follow any able , strong and charismatic leader. You should wait for bahlol lodhi, sher shah suri , mirawais hotak or ahamd shah abdali.

the definition of Pashtuns is disunity, if they were ever united and disciplined they could have surpassed mongols in invasions and conquering. We saw a glimpse of unity of some pashtun tribes under ahamd shah abdali, and you saw Durrani empire stretching from Mashhad to delhi. But as soon as that strong and charismatic leader died, you saw the in-fights again.

[Karachi]

You are blind.

No Pashtun pays my bills, and neither does any Punjabi.

Think about what I'm saying.


Afghans have no one to hate but themselves. That's the only way they will ever progress. Pakistanis and Afghans love to play blame games, but who is really at fault?

We as people don't fight for our rights, let alone our country. So when corrupt puppet politicians are in power, why do we tend to cry so much?

We collectively as a people allow this happen. Not once! Not twice! But time and time again.

You are a blind nationalist, we all know what ISI has been doing there and in the region, are you going to deny that you fool? you are nothing but a lair. Open your blind eyes to the misery pakistani establishment has caused to pakistanis themselves, let alone the whole region. Pakistan today is suffering because of the foolish/evil decisions made by your beloved ISI and establishment, yet you keep living in denial like a typical nationalist. Go worship Zaid Hamid

[Karachi]

i actually agree with your comment..

Ofcourse you will, because you are a ISI troll

[Tiger Khan]

Ofcourse you will, because you are a ISI troll

you are dumb.

[randolph85]

You "may" be in deniel.. Keep calling them brothers, while they ensrue that you get screwed permanently.. Do not trust anyone blindly, please.

you "are" an idiot. your idea of division is against islam, and allah will hold you accountable for creating fitna among muslims. besides a half dozen tajiks who take on multiple personas online, i haven't heard more talk about division than i have from pashtuns themselves. most of which happen to be pakistani, conveniently. keep your bs to yourself, perhaps rival ethnic groups in pakistan gunning each other down everyday is normal to you, but afghans don't live like that.

pashtun, tajik, uzbek, hazara, baloch, and others in afg are my brothers. the followers of satan who want to destroy instead of build, are my enemy.

[Friends of Baloch]

Iran Respect Pakistan and we respect them.Iran is loved the most in Pakistna throughout the world.

"The semi-official Isna news agency has reported that except for 10 countries, including Britain, the US, Afghanistan and Pakistan, foreign tourists will be able to obtain visas upon arrival at the airport." (Iran opens doors to tourists as Rouhani fosters thaw in relations with the west)

During the 1980s until the early 1990s Iran had an open door policy with Afghanistan whereby Afghans did not require any visa or passport to enter Iran. After Khomeini's death in 1989 this open door policy was rescinded a few years later because the Soviet Union had collapsed and Iran was bankrupted from war with Iraq .

But what about dirty napakistan? Iranians have never respected Pakistanis and have always restricted the movement of Pakistanis into Iran. The Iranians started to build physical barriers on their border with napakistan in 2007 to keep the pakis out and as you can clearly see, even today the Iranians will not let pakis easily into their country.

It is obvious why Afghans are being restricted because of war and refugees Iran under sanctions and crumbling economy cannot cope with. But why Iran excludes you pakis when there is no war in napakistan?

We all already know the answer to that question but you pakis, especially punjabis, are in denial and lie to yourselves that Iranians respect you?

[Bengal_Tiger]

1. Khairbaksh Marri has said that by the "logic" that Punjabis/Pakistani nationalists use i.e. that Baloch must be part of Pakistan as it's Muslim then Afghanistan and Iran should also be with Pakistan as they are also Muslim.

The point is no one would say that being Muslim means Afghanistan and Iran have to join with Pakistan, Muslim faith and independent statehood are two different things.

2. Punjabis/Pakistani nationalists are obsessed with Bangladesh or "east Pakistan" (there have even been Pakistanis on defence.pk that have called for a reunion or a confederation) and teach their children to hate Bengalis as "ghaddars" (traitors) "maachli" (fish/fisheaters).

Online Pakistanis regularly infest Bangladeshi historical or military youtube video threads and hurl abuse at Bengalis. No Bengali is even bothered about checking out irrelevant Pakistani videos or commenting on them.

Why are they so obsessed with us?

Especially given that Pakistanis e.g. Ahmed Qureishi love to boast that they are not Indic but from "Arabs, Turks, Afghans and Persians" due to their racial inferiority complex.

So let's say Pakistanis are indeed racially Arabs/Turks/Afghans/Aryan/Persian then:

Would Turks want to federate with them?

NO.

Would Arabs want to federate with them?

NO

Would Afghans want to federate with them?

Heck NO. Afghans hate Pakistanis more than any other nation on earth (much more than cool headed, mild and at times meek Bengalis).

Would Iranians want to federate with them?

NO.

Iranians view Pakistanis with disgust and contempt and racially inferior, they have better relations with India and seem to support India on the Kashmir issue.


Deep down, Pakistanis know all this and feel inferior to Arabs/Turks/Afghans/Iranians and do not even speak about confederating with them but target Bangladesh which is around a 1,000 miles away.

Controlling Bangladesh directly (another unification) or indirectly (installing Jamatis and razakars in power in Bangladesh to make it serve Pakistani interests) is the only way that Pakistanis can feel big and powerful and an empire of sorts as they can never boss Arabs/Turks/Afghans/Iranians around.

Though we are independent they still target us e.g. involvement in an attempted coup last year, sending spies/terrorists to Bangladesh and telling the Saudi regime to bully us.



Abdullah Al-Saud, chief of the Saudi tribe and current ruler of the Hejaz & Najd ("Saudi Arabia"). This tribal chief's regime works in conjunction with Pakistan to bully and harass Bangladesh whenever an Awami league government is voted in, this includes harassing Bangladeshi workers in the gulf, pressurizing Bangladesh over Jamati war criminals and blocking Bangladeshi workers from coming to the Hejaz & Najd.

I sincerely hope my Muslim brothers and sisters in Balochistan gain their freedom from Punjabis and establish a peaceful, prosperous and resource rich Balochistan.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

ANy ideology or movement motivated by hatred is doomed to fail because once you draw lines, someone else will draw another so once Pashtuns have hated everyone else, separated themselves, Then it becomes Durrani vs. Ghilzai or Zazai vs. Zadran.

Slippery slope.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

So I have a better idea, how about we NOT HATE ANYONE? , just make better judgement and decisions and stop making excuses or bull**** attempts ad scapegoating like this Bostan Propaganda Robot and Tigress Khan are trying to do.

[Kushan Prince]

Pakistani Pashtuns are worthless. They have an inferiority complex to Afghan Pashtuns just because we can live in peace with other ethnicities while they can't even get along with a bunch of minorities in their own province. I'm done talking them into a "Loy Afghanistan" since they are so fascinated with a "Pakhtunitstan." Instead of bragging for an independent country, atleast try to free yourselves from the clutches of Punjabis like the Waziri's and baloch are doing instead of being blind sheep to them.

[HalloIsBack]

Pakistani Pashtuns are worthless. They have an inferiority complex to Afghan Pashtuns just because we can live in peace with other ethnicities while they can't even get along with a bunch of minorities in their own province. I'm done talking them into a "Loy Afghanistan" since they are so fascinated with a "Pakhtunitstan." Instead of bragging for an independent country, atleast try to free yourselves from the clutches of Punjabis like the Waziri's and baloch are doing instead of being blind sheep to them.

so then why do you want a loy afghanistan?

but you not you always spread hate towards uzbeks and tajiks

[Tiger Khan]

you "are" an idiot. your idea of division is against islam, and allah will hold you accountable for creating fitna among muslims. besides a half dozen tajiks who take on multiple personas online, i haven't heard more talk about division than i have from pashtuns themselves. most of which happen to be pakistani, conveniently. keep your bs to yourself, perhaps rival ethnic groups in pakistan gunning each other down everyday is normal to you, but afghans don't live like that.

pashtun, tajik, uzbek, hazara, baloch, and others in afg are my brothers. the followers of satan who want to destroy instead of build, are my enemy.

Dont be emotional kids.. . be mature.. everyone is entitled to an opinion..

[Tiger Khan]

Dont be emotional kids.. . be mature.. everyone is entitled to an opinion..

Also dont be so sure...

[Tiger Khan]

Pakistani Pashtuns are worthless. They have an inferiority complex to Afghan Pashtuns just because we can live in peace with other ethnicities while they can't even get along with a bunch of minorities in their own province. I'm done talking them into a "Loy Afghanistan" since they are so fascinated with a "Pakhtunitstan." Instead of bragging for an independent country, atleast try to free yourselves from the clutches of Punjabis like the Waziri's and baloch are doing instead of being blind sheep to them.

You see.. the problem is "Not thinking that your are right.. its knowing you are right".. I believe is questioning everything.. plus i think your argument is not cohesive... its all over the place... Allahmdullilah no inferiority complex here.. but you may be in denial.. we are just trying to give you another perspective..