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  • #31
    Originally posted by jodigul View Post
    Forexample ANP & PKMAP.
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    Is there any national movement in pakhtunkhwa going on in baloch pattren? to which i may or may attack my loyalty.
    Sorry i mistakenely wrote 'attack', it is 'attach'.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by khyaal View Post
      But looking at the situation in which British occupied this land and later on handed over it to Pakistan, and again our very miserable condition here doesn't compel us to feel that kind of loyalty for Pakistan as Punjabis do.
      You did'nt answer my question, but leave it.

      Pakhtunkhwa is not occupied, pakhtuns themselves choose pakistan with consent in 1947. so curse your own people.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Afghanlady
        is Pashto even required in schools in Khyber province like it Sindhi is required in Sindh and etc
        Ofcourse it is required to be taught in schools upto matric level.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by jodigul View Post
          You did'nt answer my question, but leave it.

          Pakhtunkhwa is not occupied, pakhtuns themselves choose pakistan with consent in 1947. so curse your own people.
          No they didn't Jodigul. That is part of the whole state story. The referendum was boycotted by the ruling party, Khudae Khidmatgars. They (Khudae Khidmatgars) then put forward the bannu declaration. This so called referendum only got 50.5 % votes for Pakistan. I doubt in that instance we can curse the "people".
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Afghanlady
            is Pashto even required in schools in Khyber province like it Sindhi is required in Sindh and etc
            No, Pashto is not the official language of Pakhtunkhwa. It is Urdu. Even school children in Peshawar are penalised for speaking pashto with their class mates. (such a shame).

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            • #36
              Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View Post
              No they didn't Jodigul. That is part of the whole state story. The referendum was boycotted by the ruling party, Khudae Khidmatgars. They (Khudae Khidmatgars) then put forward the bannu declaration. This so called referendum only got 50.5 % votes
              Pashtuns did'not turn violent against pakistan at that time, which means they were ok with pakistan.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by jodigul View Post
                Pashtuns did'not turn violent against pakistan at that time, which means they were ok with pakistan.
                Lolll Jodigul are you for real? Wasn't Faqir i ipi fighting against pakistan, when the first islamic duty the pak army did was bomb waziristan? He was against Pakistan, he was fighting against it. In the settled districts the political power was with Khudai Khidmatgars, and as they were non violent, it wouldn't be plausible. I am sure you know of what happened after 1947, when they were jailed, tortured, etc...oh ofc Babarra massacre.

                Jodigul by your logic, Palestine has little legitimacy, as during the 48 war, many Palestinian locals and villages signed deals with the Israelis as a sort of de facto peace.
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                • #38
                  @bls
                  On KW i have understood the whole refrendum story. I was coming to the point that not pakistan but khudai khidmatgars the non-violent dows are to be blamed for going of pakhtunkhwa into pakistan. Buzdili dagha anjaam wi.

                  * Faqir of ipi i think got motivated for large money which afghan governament promised to him.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by jodigul View Post
                    Pashtuns did'not turn violent against pakistan at that time, which means they were ok with pakistan.

                    But they (Khudai Khidmatgar) recorded their voice of dissent by passing Bannu Resolution on 21 June 1947 which is also called the Pashtunistan Resolution asking for a separate state for Pashtuns. Khudai khidmatgar had a 2/3 majority in the provincial assembly.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by jodigul View Post
                      @bls
                      On KW i have understood the whole refrendum story. I was coming to the point that not pakistan but khudai khidmatgars the non-violent dows are to be blamed for going of pakhtunkhwa into pakistan. Buzdili dagha anjaam wi.

                      * Faqir of ipi i think got motivated for large money which afghan governament promised to him.
                      Jodigul, Faqir i ipi fought more than a decade against the british, and then he turned on Pakistan. I think it is a little premature to go and character assassinate him. This is the same faqir who even the British respected.

                      About Khudai Khidmathgars, well what did you want them to do? They put forward the bannu resolution, by boycotting the pakistan referendum, they have historically made it negligable. So I don't understand your logic, they are cowards for not being violent against Pakistan, but then what are these so called pashtun patriots to the state? If one is buzdill, the other is beghairath no?
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                      • #41
                        @bls
                        Patriots are the products of later stages from Pakistan studies & assimilated society of pashtuns into pakistan, you cant compare them with our non-violent leaders at that time.
                        You have to understand that mindset of pashtun is largely of islamic composition. Pakistan presented itself as an islamic castle & republic and pashtuns happily joined it thinking that punjabis, sindis & balochs are also muslim.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by jodigul View Post
                          @bls
                          Patriots are the products of later stages from Pakistan studies & assimilated society of pashtuns into pakistan, you cant compare them with our non-violent leaders at that time.
                          You have to understand that mindset of pashtun is largely of islamic composition. Pakistan presented itself as an islamic castle & republic and pashtuns happily joined it thinking that punjabis, sindis & balochs are also muslim.
                          If that was the case Jodigul why didn't they vote for the supporters of the muslim castle in any election? Why did they vote for those "hindu agent" Khudai Khidmatgars. Muslim league when they put forward the 2 nation theory in 1937 couldn't even a seat in pakhtunkhwa lolzzz. I know the islamic composition of Pashtuns, but don't say Pakistan = islam. This is not correct....majority of the islamic ulema then also were against the concept of Pakistan. Baloch and sindhis have a different history and reason regarding Pakistan. Baloch believe their Qalat state was usurped, and Sindh joined on the guarantee that the 1940 resolution would be implemented.
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                          • #43
                            Muslim League got majority of the muslim vote at the time in the 1940s election, except for Pashtunkhwa settled areas. Why is that? Was our islamic composition less then and increased exponentially after 1947? Come on Jodigul clearly this can't be a cogent idea.
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                            • #44
                              @bls
                              Pashtuns were given two options, either to vote for india or pakistan..... pashtun's vote naturally went to pakistan.... simply because pakistan was muslim

                              If 3rd option of afghanistan was also included in refrendum then ofcourse pashtuns would have voted to afghanistan ... so the ultimate blame goes to British
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by jodigul View Post
                                @bls
                                Pashtuns were given two options, either to vote for india or pakistan..... pashtun's vote naturally went to pakistan.... simply because pakistan was muslim

                                If 3rd option of afghanistan was also included in refrendum then ofcourse pashtuns would have voted to afghanistan ... so the ultimate blame goes to British
                                loll that would be the point. Jodigul the fact that they didn't give us the option to reunite with our homeland puts into context why our areas were encorporated into Pakistan doesn't it? We had no desire nor support for either....even though Khudae Khidmathgars were allied with Congress. Now British were not stupid, they were the ones that divided Pashtun/Afghans, so clearly it wasn't a mistake. It was a strategic neccessity for them to support the creation and keep baloch, Pashtuns, and indians divided from their respective communities.
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