Pakhtunkhwa province's Hazara region may secede

[Toramana]

So Toramana what is your answer to what RTR said about you when you asked RTR something about calculus ? You are doing some research or what ? Please enlightened us about your this great project.
Thanks

This RTR asked for help from me in Differential Geometry, Banach & Helbert Spaces, and Functional Analysis. The pot calling the kettle black---a narcissist of 1st degree that thinks others need him even if he cannot walk two steps without help from others.

And yes, I am working on some nice projects.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Resolution on Hazara province illegal: Baba


RASHID JAVED

2014-03-24 07:00:45

ABBOTTABAD: The chief of Tehreek-i-Sooba Hazara (TSH), Baba Haider Zaman, has termed the resolution passed by Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Assembly for creation of Hazara province illegal and unconstitutional.

Addressing a press conference at his residence here on Sunday, he said that it was a face saving attempt by the ruling Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf. Article 239 (4) of Constitution clearly stated that two-third majority of total members was required for passing any resolution, he said. “In this particular move, only 34 members were present in the house,” he added.

Flanked Eng Sultan Khan Jadoon, Sultanul Arifeen and others, Mr Zaman said that Imran Khan’s team in the province in general and Hazara in particular had no credibility and most of them were known for changing loyalties. He said that they had used the slogan of Hazara province to misguide people and get votes.

He said that TSH would have been happy if they had moved the resolution for Hazara province sincerely. They tabled the resolution for creation of a separate province and at the same demanded change in the name of the province, which showed their duplicity, he alleged.

Mr Zaman said that PTI leadership seemed to be confused as it tabled two separate resolutions at the same time. He termed the move to defuse the objective of TSH and to get sympathies of people to get vote in the upcoming local bodies’ elections.

He claimed that they would fight for the creation of Hazara province until their demand was fulfilled.

He said that they would hold a ceremony on April 12 to pay tribute to the people, who sacrificed their lives for the cause four years ago.

Mr Zaman questioned the ‘change slogan’ of PTI, asking what the provincial government had done in education and health sectors and in providing justice to people during its tenure.

How change would occur with the same old faces, who had been in power for last five decades, he added.

Mr Zaman demanded presidential form of government in the country, saying parliamentary form of government failed in Pakistan. He said that elected representatives from Hazara tabled the resolution to save their skin.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1095256/resolution-on-hazara-province-illegal-baba

- These Hazara nationalists should be grateful for the fact that they enjoy more prosperity than most people in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and have enjoyed disproportionate political power.


- The "Islam card" is always used against Pashtuns to silence them to accept things for the sake of "Pakistani unity" (when it benefits Punjabis). If we were to use the same tactics against Punjabis/Hazaras we could tell them for the sake of Muslim unity and provincial unity not to fragment Pakistan further and to live with their Muslim brothers, Pashtuns, in one province.


- The creation of a "Hazara" province would be a catastrophe, a tragedy and I sincerely pray it never happens, especially if it incorporates Pashtun and Kohistani areas against their will.

[Toramana]

Thank you for sharing this information with us.

To be honest, I had nothing against Iqbal and thought due to the wide admiration he receives in the wider Islamic world (even from some Bengalis) that he was a sincere person with literary talent, the fact that he seems to be an opportunistic sycophant and somewhat two-faced is interesting.

Bengal_Tiger, you are welcome. The sycophancy and two-faced-ness of Iqbal is evident from the fact that on the one hand Iqbal calls "autonomy", "dignity", "self-reliance", etc. (that roughly connote the meanings of the Persian/Urdu word "khodi") as the primary characteristics of an ideal and arch-typical Muslim (for whom he uses the fancy word "mard-i-momin") but on the other hand accepts knighthood from the same colonial power that had oppressed Muslims and at the hand of the person (i.e., Micheal O'Dweyer, Lt Governer of Punjab) who had ordered Jalianwala Bagh massacre.

Where was Iqbal's Khodi when he accepted the knighthood from the very power that had held his people in slavery?

But then Paki jahils like "Da Bannu Murdar" is deep into his Jahalath to understand the cunningness. I think this person is a descendant of Ranjit Singh so the loyalty to Lahore.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Bengal_Tiger, you are welcome. The sycophancy and two-faced-ness of Iqbal is evident from the fact that on the one hand Iqbal calls "autonomy", "dignity", "self-reliance", etc. (that roughly connote the meanings of the Persian/Urdu word "khodi") as the primary characteristics of an ideal and arch-typical Muslim (for whom he uses the fancy word "mard-i-momin") but on the other hand accepts knighthood from the same colonial power that had oppressed Muslims and at the hand of the person (i.e., Micheal O'Dyre, Lt Governer of Punjab) who later was blamed to have ordered Jalianwala Bagh massacre.

Where was Iqbal's Khodi when he was being awarded by the very power that had held his people in slavery?

But then Paki jahils like "Da Bannu Murdar" is deep into his Jahalath to understand the cunningness. I think this person is a descendant of Ranjit Singh so the loyalty to Lahore.

I am sincerely saying this but I never knew that Iqbal was such a typical Punjabi, a race well-known for collaborating with those in power (e.g. Punjabi "Muslims" killed Turkish soldiers in Mecca on the orders of the British).

How well known is information such as that which you gave, his sycophantic poetry for the British? I mean do most Pashtun nationalists know it or only a few?


Jinnah has been often exposed on this forum and even in the real world, many Pakistanis know what he was really like but Iqbal, even someone like me, is seen as a relatively innocent and decent figure.

[Toramana]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

"On 13 March 1940, at Caxton Hall in London, Udham Singh, an Indian independence activist from Sunam who had witnessed the events in Amritsar and was himself wounded, shot and killed Michael O'Dwyer, the British Lieutenant-Governor of Punjab at the time of the massacre, who had approved Dyer's action and was believed to be the main planner. Dyer himself had died in 1927."



And look at this. RabinderNath Tagore renounced the knighthood given to him by Britsih in protest against the Jalianwala Bagh masscre while Iqbal accepted the knighthood. Below are the noble words by Tagore (from the wikipedia page above).

"Rabindranath Tagore received the news of the massacre by 22 May 1919. He tried to arrange a protest meeting in Calcutta and finally decided to renounce his knighthood as "a symbolic act of protest".[37] In the repudiation letter, dated 30 May 1919 and addressed to the Viceroy, Lord Chelmsford, he wrote "I ... wish to stand, shorn, of all special distinctions, by the side of those of my countrymen who, for their so called insignificance, are liable to suffer degradation not fit for human beings"[38]
Gupta describes the letter written by Tagore as "historic".

He writes that Tagore "renounced his knighthood in protest against the inhuman cruelty of the British Government to the people of Punjab", and he quotes Tagore's letter to the Viceroy "The enormity of the measures taken by the Government in the Punjab for quelling some local disturbances has, with a rude shock, revealed to our minds the helplessness of our position as British subjects in India ... [T]he very least that I can do for my country is to take all consequences upon myself in giving voice to the protest of the millions of my countrymen, surprised into a dumb anguish of terror. The time has come when badges of honour make our shame glaring in the incongruous context of humiliation..."[39] English Writings of Rabindranath Tagore Miscellaneous Writings Vol# 8 carries a facsimile of this hand written letter.[40]"

[Bengal_Tiger]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

"On 13 March 1940, at Caxton Hall in London, Udham Singh, an Indian independence activist from Sunam who had witnessed the events in Amritsar and was himself wounded, shot and killed Michael O'Dwyer, the British Lieutenant-Governor of Punjab at the time of the massacre, who had approved Dyer's action and was believed to be the main planner. Dyer himself had died in 1927."



And look at this. RabinderNath Tagore renounced the knighthood given to him by Britsih in protest against the Jalianwala Bagh masscre while Iqbal accepted the knighthood. Below are the noble words by Tagore (from the wikipedia page above).

"Rabindranath Tagore received the news of the massacre by 22 May 1919. He tried to arrange a protest meeting in Calcutta and finally decided to renounce his knighthood as "a symbolic act of protest".[37] In the repudiation letter, dated 30 May 1919 and addressed to the Viceroy, Lord Chelmsford, he wrote "I ... wish to stand, shorn, of all special distinctions, by the side of those of my countrymen who, for their so called insignificance, are liable to suffer degradation not fit for human beings"[38]
Gupta describes the letter written by Tagore as "historic".

He writes that Tagore "renounced his knighthood in protest against the inhuman cruelty of the British Government to the people of Punjab", and he quotes Tagore's letter to the Viceroy "The enormity of the measures taken by the Government in the Punjab for quelling some local disturbances has, with a rude shock, revealed to our minds the helplessness of our position as British subjects in India ... [T]he very least that I can do for my country is to take all consequences upon myself in giving voice to the protest of the millions of my countrymen, surprised into a dumb anguish of terror. The time has come when badges of honour make our shame glaring in the incongruous context of humiliation..."[39] English Writings of Rabindranath Tagore Miscellaneous Writings Vol# 8 carries a facsimile of this hand written letter.[40]"

1. I never cared much about Iqbal so never bothered to read much about him as his writings never personally impacted on Bengalis aside from his espousal of the Pakistani ideology, which until today I thought was sincere and honest.


2. After the collapse of Pakistan the governments and academics of Pakhtunkhwa, Balochistan, Bangladesh and Sindh need to work to spread awareness of the real nature of a lot of pre-Pakistan and early Pakistan history.

3. What is your opinion of Akbar S Ahmed, the "Pathan" who glorifies Jinnah?

[Toramana]

1. I never cared much about Iqbal so never bothered to read much about him as his writings never personally impacted on Bengalis aside from his espousal of the Pakistani ideology, which until today I thought was sincere and honest.


2. After the collapse of Pakistan the governments and academics of Pakhtunkhwa, Balochistan, Bangladesh and Sindh need to work to spread awareness of the real nature of a lot of pre-Pakistan and early Pakistan history.

3. What is your opinion of Akbar S Ahmed, the "Pathan" who glorifies Jinnah?

He is a hypocrite of first degree. An Urdu speaker from UP who married a lady from the family of the Walis of Swat who themselves were lackeys of the British Raj, he sells Islam, Pakistan ideology, for personal gratification. But all these Muslim Leaguers were/are eggs from the same basket. Below is material related to the constitution of Muslim League (passed in 1913) taken from Sharif Pirzada's edited book, "Foundations of Pakistan - All-India Muslim League Documents: 1906 - 1947" and see the slavish mentality of Muslim League leaders.


"According to the revised Constitution, the first object of the League is `to maintain and promote among the people of this country feelings of loyalty towards the British Crown'. The substitution of the words `the people of this country' in place of `Indian Musalmans' and `British Crown' in place of `British Government' constitutes a distinct improvement which, I have no doubt, you will unhesitatingly accept. The traditional loyalty of the Indian Musalmans to the Empire, under the banner of which we live in peace and prosperity, does not need to be proclaimed with a flourish of trumpets: nor is it one of those monopolies the successful possession of which depends upon extensive advertisement. The solid foundation of our loyalty rests not upon its profession, but upon deeds the incontrovertible proof of which is writ large upon the pages of history. And the substitution of the words `British Crown' in place of `British Government' in relation to our devotion to the Empire of which India is a component part constitutes a more dignified and faithful expression of our real feelings. . . . It is the British Crown alone which is the permanent and ever-abiding symbol of Empire. It is not to this Government or to that we acknowledge allegiance: it is to the British Crown itself that we owe unswerving and abiding loyalty.

"But what, you will ask, is my conception of loyalty to the British Crown? In my humble judgment, it is the paramount duty of every loyal subject of the King Emperor to abstain from doing anything calculated to impair the permanence and stability of British rule in India."


It is the best thing that Bangladesh separated from the hypocritic country and now is the master of its own destiny not dependent on any fabrication to justify its existence as a nation.

[Bengal_Tiger]

He is a hypocrite of first degree. An Urdu speaker from UP who married a lady from the family of the Walis of Swat who themselves were lackeys of the British Raj, he sells Islam, Pakistan ideology, for personal gratification. But all these Muslim Leaguers were/are eggs from the same basket. Below is excerpt of from the constitution of Muslim League (passed in 1913) taken from Sharif Pirzada's edited book, "Foundations of Pakistan - All-India Muslim League Documents: 1906 - 1947" and see the slavish mentality of Muslim League leaders.


"According to the revised Constitution, the first object of the League is `to maintain and promote among the people of this country feelings of loyalty towards the British Crown'. The substitution of the words `the people of this country' in place of `Indian Musalmans' and `British Crown' in place of `British Government' constitutes a distinct improvement which, I have no doubt, you will unhesitatingly accept. The traditional loyalty of the Indian Musalmans to the Empire, under the banner of which we live in peace and prosperity, does not need to be proclaimed with a flourish of trumpets: nor is it one of those monopolies the successful possession of which depends upon extensive advertisement. The solid foundation of our loyalty rests not upon its profession, but upon deeds the incontrovertible proof of which is writ large upon the pages of history. And the substitution of the words `British Crown' in place of `British Government' in relation to our devotion to the Empire of which India is a component part constitutes a more dignified and faithful expression of our real feelings. . . . It is the British Crown alone which is the permanent and ever-abiding symbol of Empire. It is not to this Government or to that we acknowledge allegiance: it is to the British Crown itself that we owe unswerving and abiding loyalty.

"But what, you will ask, is my conception of loyalty to the British Crown? In my humble judgment, it is the paramount duty of every loyal subject of the King Emperor to abstain from doing anything calculated to impair the permanence and stability of British rule in India."


It is the best thing that Bangladesh separated from the hypocritic country and now is the master of its own destiny not dependent on any fabrication to justify its existence as a nation.

1. Yes, this Akbar Khan always struck me as, what we call in south Asia, a "chamcha" (bootlicker).

2. He does indeed sell Islam for his own benefit. His own daughter does not wear hijab and I doubt he ever encouraged her too. He seems to have mastered the art of charming "goras" (whites) who seem to adore him.



3. Bangladesh is independent but there are still some issues.

The second biggest party (BNP) which sometimes makes up the government (but not now, the Awami League is in power) is in alliance with pro-Pakistan forces and Jamaat e Islami (a Saudi/Pakistani asset).

Last year or the year before our army stopped an attempt to organize a coup in Bangladesh which had ISI involvement.

The Rawalpindi generals have never accepted that Bangladesh is a separate state over a thousand miles away (Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, Uzbekistan are closer) but want to retain influence over us. I could add more but don't want to go off on a tangent. Feel free to ask me another time for more information.

When I went to Hajj, I found out that Bangladeshi workers sometimes get harassed and beaten up by the Saudi police on some occassions to indicate Saudi displeasure with the Awami League government i.e. the Jamaat e Islami and Pakistan incite them to do so.

Our independence has enemies, enemies who are still bitter that we won our freedom. Enemies both in our country and outside (Pakistan and Saudi Arabia).

[Smarty]

Bengal_Tiger, you are welcome. The sycophancy and two-faced-ness of Iqbal is evident from the fact that on the one hand Iqbal calls "autonomy", "dignity", "self-reliance", etc. (that roughly connote the meanings of the Persian/Urdu word "khodi") as the primary characteristics of an ideal and arch-typical Muslim (for whom he uses the fancy word "mard-i-momin") but on the other hand accepts knighthood from the same colonial power that had oppressed Muslims and at the hand of the person (i.e., Micheal O'Dweyer, Lt Governer of Punjab) who had ordered Jalianwala Bagh massacre.

Where was Iqbal's Khodi when he accepted the knighthood from the very power that had held his people in slavery?

But then Paki jahils like "Da Bannu Murdar" is deep into his Jahalath to understand the cunningness. I think this person is a descendant of Ranjit Singh so the loyalty to Lahore.

Iqbal was regular visitor of hera-mundi, his house was located near anarkali bazaar......on his way back to home from tawaif' visit, he used to convince himself that it will be the last time, from now on he would behave like a ghairati shaheen...

[Toramana]

...

How well known is information such as that which you gave, his sycophantic poetry for the British? I mean do most Pashtun nationalists know it or only a few?
...

Unfortunately, kids like Da Bannu Mazdigar are not allowed to know more than what the official history of Pakistan wants people to know. But now due to the Internet, more and more people are getting access to more and more of non-official and true history.

[Toramana]

1. Yes, this Akbar Khan always struck me as, what we call in south Asia, a "chamcha" (bootlicker).

2. He does indeed sell Islam for his own benefit. His own daughter does not wear hijab and I doubt he ever encouraged her too. He seems to have mastered the art of charming "goras" (whites) who seem to adore him.



3. Bangladesh is independent but there are still some issues.

The second biggest party (BNP) which sometimes makes up the government (but not now, the Awami League is in power) is in alliance with pro-Pakistan forces and Jamaat e Islami (a Saudi/Pakistani asset).

Last year or the year before our army stopped an attempt to organize a coup in Bangladesh which had ISI involvement.

The Rawalpindi generals have never accepted that Bangladesh is a separate state over a thousand miles away (Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, Uzbekistan are closer) but want to retain influence over us. I could add more but don't want to go off on a tangent. Feel free to ask me another time for more information.

When I went to Hajj, I found out that Bangladeshi workers sometimes get harassed and beaten up by the Saudi police on some occassions to indicate Saudi displeasure with the Awami League government i.e. the Jamaat e Islami and Pakistan incite them to do so.

Our independence has enemies, enemies who are still bitter that we won our freedom. Enemies both in our country and outside (Pakistan and Saudi Arabia).

Such hurdles exist in the histories of nations. With the passage of time, Bangladesh sovereignty and nationhood will become stronger. The forces of evil can do nothing to harm Bangla Desh any radically.

[Toramana]

"Tagore renounced his Knighthood in protest for Jalianwalla Bagh mass killing"

The letter written by Rabindranath Tagore to Lord Chelmsford, the British viceroy, repudiating his Knighthood in protest for Jalianwalla Bagh mass killing.

Your Excellency,

The enormity of the measures taken by the Government in the Punjab for quelling some local disturbances has, with a rude shock, revealed to our minds the helplessness of our position as British subjects in India. The disproportionate severity of the punishments inflicted upon the unfortunate people and the methods of carrying them out, we are convinced, are without parallel in the history of civilised governments, barring some conspicuous exceptions, recent and remote.

Considering that such treatment has been meted out to a population, disarmed and resourceless, by a power which has the most terribly efficient organisation for destruction of human lives, we must strongly assert that it can claim no political expediency, far less moral justification. The accounts of the insults and sufferings by our brothers in Punjab have trickled through the gagged silence, reaching every corner of India, and the universal agony of indignation roused in the hearts of our people has been ignored by our rulers- possibly congratulating themselves for imparting what they imagine as salutary lessons.

This callousness has been praised by most of the Anglo-Indian papers, which have in some cases gone to the brutal length of making fun of our sufferings, without receiving the least check from the same authority, relentlessly careful in something every cry of pain of judgment from the organs representing the sufferers. Knowing that our appeals have been in vain and that the passion of vengeance is building the noble vision of statesmanship in out Government, which could so easily afford to be magnanimous, as befitting its physical strength and normal tradition, the very least that I can do for my country is to take all consequences upon myself in giving voice to the protest of the millions of my countrymen, surprised into a dumb anguish of terror.

The time has come when badges of honour make our shame glaring in the incongruous context of humiliation, and I for my part, wish to stand, shorn, of all special distinctions, by the side of those of my countrymen who, for their so called insignificance, are liable to suffer degradation not fit for human beings.

And these are the reasons which have compelled me to ask Your Excellency, with due reference and regret, to relieve me of my title of knighthood, which I had the honour to accept from His Majesty the King at the hands of your predecessor, for whose nobleness of heart I still entertain great admiration. Yours faithfully,

Yours faithfully,

Rabindranath Tagore
Calcutta, May 30, 1919

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Tagore-renounced-his-Knighthood-in-protest-for-Jalianwalla-Bagh-mass-killing/articleshow/7967616.cms?referral=PM

[RevolutionThroughReason]

This RTR asked for help from me in Differential Geometry, Banach & Helbert Spaces, and Functional Analysis. The pot calling the kettle black---a narcissist of 1st degree that thinks others need him even if he cannot walk two steps without help from others.

And yes, I am working on some nice projects.

Hilbert* Spaces lol


If the Admins will allow me I will post print screens of your messages to me to expose you.

You can't even do Sophomore level Calculus lol.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Bengal_Tiger, you are welcome. The sycophancy and two-faced-ness of Iqbal is evident from the fact that on the one hand Iqbal calls "autonomy", "dignity", "self-reliance", etc. (that roughly connote the meanings of the Persian/Urdu word "khodi") as the primary characteristics of an ideal and arch-typical Muslim (for whom he uses the fancy word "mard-i-momin") but on the other hand accepts knighthood from the same colonial power that had oppressed Muslims and at the hand of the person (i.e., Micheal O'Dweyer, Lt Governer of Punjab) who had ordered Jalianwala Bagh massacre.

Where was Iqbal's Khodi when he accepted the knighthood from the very power that had held his people in slavery?

But then Paki jahils like "Da Bannu Murdar" is deep into his Jahalath to understand the cunningness. I think this person is a descendant of Ranjit Singh so the loyalty to Lahore.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2968994.stm

Please scan to bottom of article to see the modern era Michael Dwyer

[Smarty]

Thaak thor khanzir (who calls himself "seer spin wazir") is a typical jahil Paki not knowing the world beyond Muatila Pakistan. And he is a filthy Jatt as well related to sardar jees and other Punjos that way.

Paracha ji why is that you pashtun nationalists of diaspora always assume that a pakhtun supporting pakistan must be thak tor jatt?.....
[MENTION=10678]Da Bannu Mazdigar[/MENTION] you look chokra in new pic, change your hairstyle and eat some meat, you are spoiling the reputation of fearsome wazirs by looking gay and feminine :P