Pakhtunkhwa province's Hazara region may secede

[Smarty]

I knw Mahtabs Abbassi Family well.. went to school with his kids.. they do not speak Pashto.. and have nothing like Pashtuns in them.

You are right, he is not even pathan by origin, he is abbasi who are purely hindkowans there.
@Dabannumazdigar i agree with you that hazarewals have as much right on province as pakhtuns but we are questioning the intention of nawaz punjabi. He has many notable pashtuns in his party from kpk like zafar iqbal jagra and pir sabir shah yet he has ignored them. PML-N claims to be a nation-wide party but they dont put any significant effort in pashtun areas, infact by solely focusing on hazara, the are responsible for distancing hazara from rest of pakhtunkhwa.

[Tiger Khan]

You are right, he is not even pathan by origin, he is abbasi who are purely hindkowans there.
@Dabannumazdigar i agree with you that hazarewals have as much right on province as pakhtuns but we are questioning the intention of nawaz punjabi. He has many notable pashtuns in his party from kpk like zafar iqbal jagra and pir sabir shah yet he has ignored them. PML-N claims to be a nation-wide party but they dont put any significant effort in pashtun areas, infact by solely focusing on hazara, the are responsible for distancing hazara from rest of pakhtunkhwa.

LOL.. I know Jhagra aswel.. they are also Hindko speakers.. they do speak Pashto.. but they are not pathans.. as they do not have same aspirations as pathans. Pr sabr shah is however, a Pashtun from Haripur's Pashtun area of sirikot.

[Bengal_Tiger]

I knw Mahtabs Abbassi Family well.. went to school with his kids.. they do not speak Pashto.. and have nothing like Pashtuns in them.

Thank you for sharing your first hand knowledge with us and also dispelling the lies and propaganda being spread here by foul-mouthed Pakistani nationalists who abuse people's families.

[Bengal_Tiger]

thank thor khanzir, Nadeem Farooq Paracha has some guts and exposes ilk like you that never any person did as effectively as he does. I am proud of my cousin. He is better than a kami kameen Jatt.

1. I have kept on trying to ignore this foul-mouthed and abusive Pakistani nationalist, Da Bannu Mazdigar, who has been stalking me on this forum in many different threads and trying to provoke me.

2. Though I have this troll on ignore I can read his abusive comments when people quote him including ones where he insults my family (i.e. victim of rape etc) i.e. "Bengali with Pakistani blood".

3. If you notice many others say far worse to him and he doesn't respond in such an aggressive manner, but even though I don't use words like "dhalkhor", "porkistan" etc and merely share information and express my views on Pashtun politics he constantly abuses me without any provocation despite promising [MENTION=2]Admin Khan[/MENTION] he won't.

I really don't know what to do.

a: If I retaliate, I will get a warning.
b: If I ignore him he will continue with impunity.
c: If I retaliated without insults but with satire the "dil dil Pakistani nationalist"
will go beserk as he is an immature clown who hasn't seen much of the real world and can't handle different opinions.

If you follow this thread you will see it's me who is on-topic, avoiding personal insults and this Pakistani nationalist troll is trying to ruin this forum with low-quality insults, abuse and starting fights e.g. when he threatened to beat another user up in a fight.

Anyway regardless of that, Pakistani nationalists cannot be allowed to bully forum members here in to silence.

[Smarty]

LOL.. I know Jhagra aswel.. they are also Hindko speakers.. they do speak Pashto.. but they are not pathans.. as they do not have same aspirations as pathans. Pr sabr shah is however, a Pashtun from Haripur's Pashtun area of sirikot.

Whats up with big "LOL"?

[Tiger Khan]

Whats up with big "LOL"?

my bad.

[Bengal_Tiger]

[MENTION=18008]tripledouble[/MENTION]

This thread I was speaking about that deals with the threat of Hazara secession from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

Seeing as you are a Hazara (Hazarewal), I think it is only fair that you be able to express your opinions on this issue.

I accept that Hazaras have a right to express their opinions on a potential province for themselves, however I do not believe that should include Pashtun areas of the Hazara division i.e. areas which are majority ethnically Pashtun with Pashto-speakers.

[MENTION=17210]Tiger Khan[/MENTION] knows about the demographics of this issue as well.

[tripledouble]

[MENTION=18008]tripledouble[/MENTION]

This thread I was speaking about that deals with the threat of Hazara secession from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

Seeing as you are a Hazara (Hazarewal), I think it is only fair that you be able to express your opinions on this issue.

I accept that Hazaras have a right to express their opinions on a potential province for themselves, however I do not believe that should include Pashtun areas of the Hazara division i.e. areas which are majority ethnically Pashtun with Pashto-speakers.

[MENTION=17210]Tiger Khan[/MENTION] knows about the demographics of this issue as well.

I support a Hazara province for governance reasons, i don't have anything against Pashtuns of KPK and i believe new provinces should be created all over Pakistan, FATA should merge with KPK, north Balochistan should become it's own province called Bolan for Pashtun and Shia Hazara people, the Seraikis and Potoharis should get their own province; leaving only Mahji Punjab(Central Punjab) as Punjab; the Brahui people of kalat should also get their own province so they preserve their dravidian langauge(the only in Pakistan).

Karachi should stay with Sindh, they don't deserve to be a province.

Chitral could also be a province in the future.

[Tiger Khan]

[MENTION=18008]tripledouble[/MENTION]

This thread I was speaking about that deals with the threat of Hazara secession from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

Seeing as you are a Hazara (Hazarewal), I think it is only fair that you be able to express your opinions on this issue.

I accept that Hazaras have a right to express their opinions on a potential province for themselves, however I do not believe that should include Pashtun areas of the Hazara division i.e. areas which are majority ethnically Pashtun with Pashto-speakers.

[MENTION=17210]Tiger Khan[/MENTION] knows about the demographics of this issue as well.

hey Bengal tiger how ryou? . and yes I agree with you.. give hindkowans there province.. but not non-hindko territories.. no one wants their territories ..also relize that hindkowans and potohaires are very similar.. they are like same race..

[Bengal_Tiger]

hey Bengal tiger how ryou? . and yes I agree with you.. give hindkowans there province.. but not non-hindko territories.. no one wants their territories ..also relize that hindkowans and potohaires are very similar.. they are like same race..

I am good.

I agree with everything you've said above.

[tilla_jogian]

Hopefully this happen even if it means punjab also is divided in 3 provinces. We actually don't care about division of punjab, it will effect N league but average punjabi couldn't care less. In fact chaudhrys of Gujrat are in fore front to make more provinces out of punjab.

Sindhis also seem to be very stuborn, probably to do with the fact that MQM will remove quota system for rural sindhis. In fact such is the case that now PPP have forgotten about Seraiki suba.

Anyway I am bumping this thread because of hinous crime commited by racist ANP pakhtuns against innocent Hazarawal people.

ABBOTABAD: Political parties observed Youm-e-Shuhada or the day of the martyrs on Sunday to commemorate the sacrifices of those who died in the April 12, 2010 stand-down and demanded the creation of a Hazara province.
Separate events were organised by Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, Suba Hazara Tehrik and Tehreek Suba Hazara (TSH).
PML-N Federal Minister for Religious Affairs Sardar Muhammad Yousuf, who also heads Suba Hazara Tehrik, arranged an event in Abbottabad to commemorate the day. PML-N MPAs Sardar Zahoor, Saleh Muhammad Khan and Mian Ziaur Rehman attended the programme along with other party activists.

Yousuf said efforts were being made to table a resolution in the National Assembly for the creation of a Hazara province.
“A national conference will be held in Islamabad to gain support from all major political parties in this regard,” he added. According to Yousuf, heads of all regional movements and parties who have thrown their weight behind the creation of a new Hazara province would participate in the meeting.
“The people of Hazara have made sacrifices to make their demands heard,” he said.
During the meeting, Yousuf paid tribute to those who lost their lives on April 12, 2010 and vowed their sacrifices would not be in vain.
Blame game
Baba Haider Zaman, leader of TSH, addressed a public gathering on Jinnah Road, where he criticised PML-N and PTI. Zaman said they had failed to give priority to their demand for a separate Hazara province.
“Both parties had gained votes by promising to create a separate province for us,” he said. “However, they have not remained sincere to the cause.”
According to Zaman, “The people of Hazara had been struggling for liberation from those who had exposed them to discrimination since 1947.” He criticised PTI parliamentarians for going back on their promises to create a Hazara province.
“The party has used the cause for political point-scoring,” he said.
On April 12, 2010, scores of Hazaras were killed by riot police during a procession in Abbottabad. What had initially started off as rallies in support of a separate province took an ugly turn when hundreds of activists took to the streets against the renaming of the then NWFP.
The protest turned violent when the police resorted to baton charge and tear gas shelling. They opened fire at the protesters, killing seven of them on the spot. Over 120 people were injured.

Never forget: Parties express renewed resolve to create Hazara province

[tilla_jogian]

punjab can be divided along those lines. But instead of 3 make it 4, Bahawalpur should be separate province and not part of Seraiki. Also some districts in red are not completly majha speaking like Khushab, parts of Sargodha and Jhang etc Also only Jhelum and Rawalpindi are potohari majority provinces. But these different dialects in current day bodering regions are normal.

So this map make sense.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Thanks Bengal_Tiger. Nice observations. It sounds this forum has been flooded by Ranjit Singhis (da lahore mazidgar is one recruit by them). After Baluchis, Sindhis have picked the freedom-flag. See below.

Strength in numbers: JSQM's 'Freedom March' turns into party's biggest-ever rally - The Express Tribune[/SIZE]

Millions of Sindhis Protested for freedom - CNN iReport

Millions of Sindhis Protested for freedom

Chinese engineer and driver injured in Karachi separatist bombing


Little-known independence group vows to sabotage Chinese investment in Pakistan after attack that will alarm government



The Chinese worker and his driver were injured by a roadside bomb that hit their minibus in Karachi. Photograph: Rehan Khan/EPA
Jon Boone in Islamabad
Monday 30 May 2016 13.36 BST Last modified on Monday 30 May 2016 13.58 BST

A Chinese engineer and his driver have been injured in a bombing in Karachi that was claimed by a little-known separatist group vowing to sabotage China’s multibillion-dollar investment programme in the country.

The unusual targeting of a Chinese worker in the sprawling port city will alarm the government, which is betting heavily on the $46bn China-Pakistan economic corridor (CPEC) to transform Pakistan’s moribund economy.

The two men were injured when a roadside bomb exploded at about 8.30am on Monday as their minibus passed through one of Karachi’s industrial quarters.

A piece of paper left at the scene was signed by the Sindhudesh Revolutionary Army, an obscure group seeking the independence of Sindh, one of Pakistan’s four regions.


The note denounced the ruling establishment that is largely drawn from Punjab, Pakistan’s most populous region.

“As a rising imperialist power and supporter of Pakistan’s cause we consider China equivalent to Punjab,” the note written in Sindhi said. “We will oppose every anti-Sindh project including the China-Pakistan economic corridor.”

The security of Chinese nationals in Pakistan is a key concern to Beijing. In October, the country’s ambassador demanded that extra precaution be taken to protect those involved in CPEC, something Pakistan has repeatedly promised to do.

Although Karachi is a turbulent city plagued by Islamist militancy and criminal gangs, Chinese expatriates have not generally been considered targets.

Anwar Rao, a senior superintendent of police, said the wounded Chinese man did not have security with him because it was not considered necessary.

“We only provide security when there are tensions in the city and at their place of work,” he said. “We are trying our best to catch the culprits.”

The security of Chinese nationals has been much more of a headache for the Pakistani state in Balochistan, where a special military force has been raised just to protect CPEC projects from separatist forces.

The CPEC investment programme includes roads, railways and desperately needed power plants. It is part of an ambitious strategy that Beijing hopes will not only help stabilise a key ally but also give Chinese goods access to the Arabian Sea through the deep sea port at Gwadar on the Balochistan coast.

Three Chinese engineers were killed by a car bomb in Gwadar in 2004, an event that preceded more than a decade of nationalist unrest.

Today visiting Chinese officials and workers only move around the small fishing town with heavy security provided by the army and police.

Chinese engineer and driver injured in Karachi separatist bombing | World news | The Guardian


1. It seems certain Sindhi militant nationalists do not want the CPEC in Sindh.


2. I could be wrong, but from what I know Sindhi nationalism or at least a desire for an independent Sindh is quite weak.

From what I gather (and I could be wrong), the Sindhis generally support the PPP and see a PPP led government of Pakistan looking out for Sindhi interests as their optimal scenario.

[Bengal_Tiger]

The federation is going through a time of immense strife and bloodshed and it remains to be seen whether the federation will survive.

1. There are wars in 2 out of the 4 provinces, Balochi struggle in Balochistan, 44% of Pakistani territory and TTP in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

2. War could break out in Sindh and make 3 out of 4 provinces in the federation being ravaged by war.

Last year the Sindhudesh Liberation Army carried out military operations in Sindh.




3. Though Punjab is the biggest of the 4 provinces and is relatively violence free, the whole country is a colony of the Punjabis anyway, so if 3 out of 4 provinces are on fire then that means the Punjabi empire is in trouble.

Warnings were out about SDLA plan to attack Chinese nationals

May 31, 2016 | By Zia Ur Rehman | Pakistan 30



Warnings were out about SDLA plan to attack Chinese nationals


Intelligence agencies had warned the provincial authorities of attack
SDLA is an offshoot of Sindhi Nationalist party JSMM
Govt has banned SDLA for being involved in terrorist activities
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KARACHI: In the wake of a bomb attack in Gulshan-e-Hadeed on Monday that injured a Chinese national and his driver, it has been learnt that intelligence agencies had already warned the provincial authorities that a particular Sindhi separatist group might attack Chinese nationals working on development projects in the province.

A pamphlet was found at the site of attack in which a group called the Sindhu Desh Liberation Army (SDLA) had claimed responsibility for it.

The Sindhu Desh Liberation Army is an offshoot of the Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz (JSMM), a Sindhi nationalist party headed by Shafi Muhammad Burfat.

The SDLA comprises members that broke away from various factions of the Jeay Sindh Tehreek, founded by prominent Sindhi nationalist leader GM Syed.

The government has banned the Sindhu Desh Liberation Army for its involvement in terrorist activities.

The Sindh police have also inducted Burfat’s name in its Red Book.

“A few months ago, intelligence agencies had informed the Sindh home department that the Sindhu Desh Liberation Army was planning to attack Chinese nationals working on power projects and other development schemes in the province,” a Karachi-based intelligence officer told The News.

The Sindhu Desh Liberation Army has been involved in many bomb attacks on government installations, especially railway tracks and state-run banks, in the province, said a police officer.

However, he added that the killing of JSMM workers in different parts of the province, including Karachi, had weakened the group.

The bodies of several JSMM members, most of them young men, were found in different parts of the province, including off the Super Highway between Karachi and Hyderabad. Some of them were found in Gulshen-e-Hadeed, a Sindhi-populated neighbourhood on the city’s outskirts.

In the pamphlet found on Monday at the site of the attack, the Sindhu Desh Liberation Army had also mentioned the killing of its activists.

Although there are over a dozen ethno-nationalist parties in Sindh, the Burfat-led JSSM is the only group which resorts to militant activities.

Burfat belongs to the Sehwan taluka in the Jamshoro district and had remained a close associate of Dr Qadir Magsi in the late 80s and the early 90s.

He was also a co-accused in the infamous September 30, 1988 carnage along with Dr Magsi.

Analysts believe that Burfat left the Jeay Sindh Tehreek and formed the JSMM as his aim was to struggle for the rights of the Sindhi people through “guerrilla warfare”.

However, JSMM leaders disown the attacks and any affiliation with the Sindhu Desh Liberation Army.

Intelligence reports suggest that the Sindhu Desh Liberation Army is working with Baloch separatist groups, including the Balochistan Liberation Front and the Balochistan Liberation Army.

The Baloch separatist groups oppose Chinese investment in Gwadar. They have claimed responsibility for many attacks on the convoys of Chinese engineers in Balochistan.

“There is a clear association between banned Sindhi and Baloch separatist groups and they support each other in their subversive activities,” said the intelligence official. “They have the same anti-China agenda.”

[Golden]

Don't post like a cunt, behave