Pakhtunkhwa province's Hazara region may secede

[Smarty]

Pashtuns from Pukhtunkhwa are being ripped off big time by punjabistanis.
shame on some losers still calling themselves pakistanis.
look at that map ,pukhtunkhwa has been shrinked.

punjabis are taking over pashtun lands.

So what? The way i see it pashtuns had taken over hindko lands. Hindkos have right to demand their own province for themeselves, they are not your slaves.

[Tiger Khan]

So what? The way i see it pashtuns had taken over hindko lands. Hindkos have right to demand their own province for themeselves, they are not your slaves.

Fine, Give hindkowans hindko land. But Hindko land only. Pashtuns still dont want hindko anyway.. These people (Hindkowans) have no P-degree, if you know what i mean. So make a F*in province from 2 and a half district i.e. Abbotabad, Haripur and Balakot/Mansehra Tehsil (While northern Manesehra Tehsil and Ogain joins Torghar. Hindkowans are being stupid trust me. They have always had political and economic advantage for being part of KPK, They are being used by MQM and other. Total hindko population in the world in 4 million max. How many do you think are in Hazara (three million max), and you want a province for that??!!!. They will end up being part of punjab and will become a bunch of nobodies. SO yes to a new province with Hindko population.

[Smarty]

Fine, Give hindkowans hindko land. But Hindko land only. Pashtuns still dont want hindko anyway.. These people (Hindkowans) have no P-degree, if you know what i mean. So make a F*in province from 2 and a half district i.e. Abbotabad, Haripur and Balakot/Mansehra Tehsil (While northern Manesehra Tehsil and Ogain joins Torghar. Hindkowans are being stupid trust me. They have always had political and economic advantage for being part of KPK, They are being used by MQM and other. Total hindko population in the world in 4 million max. How many do you think are in Hazara (three million max), and you want a province for that??!!!. They will end up being part of punjab and will become a bunch of nobodies. SO yes to a new province with Hindko population.

Yes give them province consisting of three districts. Keep batagram, torghar, srikot and half of ogai tehsil. Denying them province would deteriote the situation further.
We pashtuns of KPK can not behave like afghanistan where 42% pashtun majority want to impose itself on tajiks and other minorities as their historical and hierchical right.

[Tiger Khan]

Yes give them province consisting of three districts. Keep batagram, torghar, srikot and half of ogai tehsil. Denying them province would deteriote the situation further.
We pashtuns of KPK can not behave like afghanistan where 42% pashtun majority want to impose itself on tajiks and other minorities as their historical and hierchical right.

Well i mean north of Mansehra tehsil (Battal, Baffa, Shinkiari, all of Ogai,, areas which are predominently pashtun. Also we keep kohistan since they are not Hindko and kohistanies are also found in swat, and upper dir aswell. You dont seem to be pashtun.. Afghanistans 60% minimum is pashtun.

[Tiger Khan]

Yes give them province consisting of three districts. Keep batagram, torghar, srikot and half of ogai tehsil. Denying them province would deteriote the situation further.
We pashtuns of KPK can not behave like afghanistan where 42% pashtun majority want to impose itself on tajiks and other minorities as their historical and hierchical right.

We pashtuns should never be scared of deterioration of situation, but we have to be more proactive.

[rednwhite99]

bloody PTI..i didnt voted for my mamo but his party and he's doing so in KPK.

i am sure if he ever did so.he will never succeed in KPK again.

abbasin division should be created first
pashtun majority areas of balochistan should either be made a new province or merged with KPK.
mianwali was once part of bannu should be made again or atleast merged in kpk
margalla and almost half of the north islamabad was part of kpk should be merged with KPK again.

Bro its not gonna happen.. Hazara will remain with kpk.. I dont know whats worrying the bengali over here , he shud b worrid abt his country rather than poking his nose into other country affairs..Also kpk i hope can merge fata in too.Fata seem to make their own province Qabailistan..Hazara will not make another province just fake news.....

[rednwhite99]

Yes give them province consisting of three districts. Keep batagram, torghar, srikot and half of ogai tehsil. Denying them province would deteriote the situation further.
We pashtuns of KPK can not behave like afghanistan where 42% pashtun majority want to impose itself on tajiks and other minorities as their historical and hierchical right.

Bro its not gonna happen...hazara will remain in kpk..Nobody in abbotabad wants to make their own province.Just couple of people do that but thats minority and alot of exaggeration

[rednwhite99]

Well i mean north of Mansehra tehsil (Battal, Baffa, Shinkiari, all of Ogai,, areas which are predominently pashtun. Also we keep kohistan since they are not Hindko and kohistanies are also found in swat, and upper dir aswell. You dont seem to be pashtun.. Afghanistans 60% minimum is pashtun.

Just a fake news...i have been hearing this bs since i was 12 ..Nothing will happen but inshallah pashtuns will be succesfull all over pakistan as they are tday

[rednwhite99]

1. Ataullah Mengal, the BNP leader (Balochi National Party) has agreed that Pashtun areas of northern Balochistan could go their own way and be their own province or join Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

2. Will this new Hazara province that Imran Khan wants to create include the Pashtuns who do not want to be part of it?

Will they then have the right to separate from it?

Or is separation only a right for Punjabis/Hindkos but not for Pashtuns or Bengalis, the latter whom were massacred due to this?


3. If this "Hazara province" is created then what about other regions that want their own province e.g.

Junoobi Pakhtunkhwa (northern Balochistan)

Karachi - the MQM supports a Hazara province so later they can try and do the same and split from Sindh. Sindhi nationalists have threatened all out war if this happens.

4. I believe that Pashtuns should hold a general strike or a mass social media campaign against the Hazara province.

Pashtuns in

- Pekhawar
- Mardan
- Kohat
- Malakand
- Dir
- Quetta
- Karachi

should all hold demonstrations and strikes against this so-called Hazara province.




By the way in the future if this Hazara province were to secede and Pakistan were to disintegrate as a federation these would become international borders between a Pashtun state and a Punjabi state.

I think you think alot about pakistan and u r more worried abt pakistan than ur bangal town..
Stop thinking and first of all follow proper islam

[Smarty]

Well i mean north of Mansehra tehsil (Battal, Baffa, Shinkiari, all of Ogai,, areas which are predominently pashtun. Also we keep kohistan since they are not Hindko and kohistanies are also found in swat, and upper dir aswell. You dont seem to be pashtun.. Afghanistans 60% minimum is pashtun.

Even if they are 60%, pashtuns of afghanistan , they can not declare themeselves rulers of afghanistan, it is 21st century, time to think beyond ethnic and tribal rivalries.
Case of hazara is simple, lets hindkowans and kohistanis decide for themeselves whether they want to remain with pashtuns or want their own province or join another province.
In similar fashion seraikis have right to have their own province, if DI khan wants to join it then we should not become a hinderance for them. The pashtun tribes of DIkhan (gandapurs, miankhel, babar, sherani, kundi, marwat etc), who live in western portion of district, can be convinced to stay in KPK. They seem to be supporting seraikistan movement even though they are pashtuns.

[Tiger Khan]

Even if they are 60%, pashtuns of afghanistan , they can not declare themeselves rulers of afghanistan, it is 21st century, time to think beyond ethnic and tribal rivalries.
Case of hazara is simple, lets hindkowans and kohistanis decide for themeselves whether they want to remain with pashtuns or want their own province or join another province.
In similar fashion seraikis have right to have their own province, if DI khan wants to join it then we should not become a hinderance for them. The pashtun tribes of DIkhan (gandapurs, miankhel, babar, sherani, kundi, marwat etc), who live in western portion of district, can be convinced to stay in KPK. They seem to be supporting seraikistan movement even though they are pashtuns.

The pashtuns in DI kahn are not supporting Saraiki province..Kulachi tehsil and Tank District are majority pashtun.

[Tiger Khan]

here is DI Khan Division

[Smarty]

here is DI Khan Division

I said western portion of DI khan is Pashtun , that is what your map is showing. In addition to that FR DI khan is also pashtun area with sherani tribe. Gandapurs, babars, mian khels and to some extent kundis are bilingual in pashto and seraiki, they are very much tempted to join seraikistan. The reason is their region is always ignored by political elites of peshawer.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/296691/new-provincial-units-seraiki-movement-started-by-kundi-dasti/

[Bengal_Tiger]

here is DI Khan Division

1. It will be outrageous if Pashtun areas of the so-called "Hazara division" are incorporated against their will in to a new Hazara "province".

2. If the Pashtun areas are given the freedom of self-determination and stay with their motherland of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, then as you said this would leave 3 million "Hazaras" (a mix of Gujjars, Hindkos and Hindko-speakers of Pashtun ancestry).

There are also 3 million Bengalis in Pakistan, what next? A province for the 3 million Bengalis of Karachi?

Pakistani Bangalis Action Cameti, 02 - YouTube

4. If the Hazaras have their "province" excluding Pashtun areas and the Tarbela dam which falls in Pashtun areas, then I am not too bothered as that does not involve forcing Pashtuns against their will to be part of another province, and nor does it involve the theft of valuable resources.

However as you have said they would become nobodies, part of a small province and then perhaps ultimately become part of a Lahore-centric Punjab where non-Lahori Punjabis complain about lack of investment and neglect from the Lahore-based Punjab government.

Wider consequences of Hazara "province"

If the Hazara province is created to serve the demands of Hindko/Punjabi speakers, then how can people reject the demands of Pashtuns in northern Balochistan, or others?

It will lead at least to more complaints about Punjabi domination and inequality in the federation.

If new provinces are created e.g. Karachi it could lead to outright civil war and the very collapse of the federation itself.



Yugoslavia, a federation which collapsed in a way which the federation of Pakistan may do too.

[Bengal_Tiger]

The federation is going through a time of immense strife and bloodshed and it remains to be seen whether the federation will survive.

1. There are wars in 2 out of the 4 provinces, Balochi struggle in Balochistan, 44% of Pakistani territory and TTP in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

2. War could break out in Sindh and make 3 out of 4 provinces in the federation being ravaged by war.

Last year the Sindhudesh Liberation Army carried out military operations in Sindh.

Sindhu Desh Liberation Army attack passenger bus in Nawabshah, kill 8 non-Sindhi speakings - YouTube


3. Though Punjab is the biggest of the 4 provinces and is relatively violence free, the whole country is a colony of the Punjabis anyway, so if 3 out of 4 provinces are on fire then that means the Punjabi empire is in trouble.