Is India in Afghanistan to help develop our economy or for there own interests?

[ayub]

^ basically your a commie lover. You wanted Russia to succeed. Rape millions. Murder millions. So you could be another satelite state of the federation. You wanted all the children to go to Russia by force and brainwashed into commie ideals. You wanted end of Islam. You wanted end of Pakthun culture. What a strange specimen you are.

Are you a member of rawa. Lol.

[Shayesta]

basically your a commie lover.

No, I am a Pakistani, Iranian and 40+ NATO countries' lover.

You wanted Russia to succeed.

No, I wanted Pakistan, Iran and 40+ NATO countries to succeed.

Rape millions.

No, I wanted 40+ NATO countries and your creations named Taliban and Mujahideens to rape millions (just like you did to Bangalis).

Murder millions.

No, I wanted 40+ NATO countries and your creations named Taliban and Mujahideens to murder millions (just like you did to Bangalis).

You wanted all the children to go to Russia by force and brainwashed into commie ideals.

No, I wanted them to join anti-Daud Khan camps and anti-Afghan government camps and get brainwashed into barbaric and uncivilized Taliban dogs.

You wanted end of Islam.

No, I want end of Islam now since even Russia didn't bring Christianity to Afghanistan but USA already converted hundreds.

You wanted end of Pakthun culture.

No, I just want to be influenced by Punjabis; Just like my fellow Pekihawris.


Any more rubbish to throw away?

[BLS_1919v2.0]

The death of Daud had more to do with the communists within Afghanistan. However to pretend that US and ISI started interfering and 'helping' mujahideen on the arrival of Soviets is not true. Funding for it starting prior to any Soviet even setting foot into Afghanistan. The US wanted Soviets in, and it was known as the Afghan bear trap (I have mentioned this before on these forums, please do a search, you will see the sources). Pakistan was agitating Daud Shah's government and had even trained Massoud and Hekmatyaar during the late 70s.

[MazloomYarMasud]

One Question.

After alllll those decades

Why didnt the brave and strong Afghans take back their land?

Why didnt the big and tough Kandaharis come in huge numbers and freed their brothers from the occupational forces of pakistan army in bolochistan?

Its because Afghanistan is the past and a failure

They couldnt even keep Pushto alive and only made it official a few decades ago.

Kind Regards

[BLS_1919v2.0]

One Question.

After alllll those decades

Why didnt the brave and strong Afghans take back their land?

Why didnt the big and tough Kandaharis come in huge numbers and freed their brothers from the occupational forces of pakistan army in bolochistan?

Its because Afghanistan is the past and a failure

They couldnt even keep Pushto alive and only made it official a few decades ago.

Kind Regards

That is an unfair assessment. Zahir Shah was weak and he is to blame for the lack of any real military force. You can't put that on all of Afghanistan, anymore can Afghanistan blame Pashtunkhwa for the likes of babarr, or Ghulam Ishaq Khan.

At the end of the day, this entire debate is useless, if we are not going to forge a future. The whole idea of saying Afghanistan is a failure but x y z is better is redundant, since all you are arguing is that the Afghanistna of today should be truncated for a new Afghanistan (Pashtunkhwa will still be de facto Afghanistan). That won't change....we can't just hide from out history.

[Shayesta]

After alllll those decades, Why didnt the brave and strong Afghans take back their land?

Ehh, maybe because your type of people didn't corporate with us? Maybe because right after Pakistan's creation Afghanistan was bombed for demanding back Pakhtunkhwa? Maybe because since Pakistan's creation you got donated with money from West which delivered you supplies while we didn't receive anything from anyone? Maybe?

Why didnt the big and tough Kandaharis come in huge numbers and freed their brothers from the occupational forces of pakistan army in bolochistan?

Why didn't your superior Waziri tribe free themselves from Punjabi claws back then, but cry tears of blood today since they are being bombed by the army? It's because back then you didn't want to, and today it's too late.

Its because Afghanistan is the past and a failure

Tell me, how successful are Waziris today?

They couldnt even keep Pushto alive and only made it official a few decades ago.

Is that the reason why Pukhto is becoming stronger in Afghanistan, day by day? At least Pukhto is an official language now, what about Pukhto in Pakhtunkhwa?

[amna.]

Zahir Shah even gave rewards to those who wrote in Pashto.

I heard to become a diplomat you had to take exams in Pashto.

[amna.]

Shayesta they are proud Pakistanis why force them?

[Shayesta]

^ That's what I am saying as well, they are happy with Pakistan and that's why themselves never bothered to fight for independence. I am just trying to make Masud understand the same who questions why we never forced Pukhtoons of Pakistan to leave Pakistan, which is just an extremely naive claim.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

^ That's what I am saying as well, they are happy with Pakistan and that's why themselves never bothered to fight for independence. I am just trying to make Masud understand the same who questions why we never forced Pukhtoons of Pakistan to leave Pakistan, which is just an extremely naive claim.

Both claims are naive in that sense. Pashtunkhwa didn't really want to be a part of Pakistan, it was enforced into the incorporation. And you all have to remember that Pashtunkhwa is divided in three to four areas and with basically the settled districts having any real political voice. FATA had Faqir i ipi who was fighting for Pashtunistan, and in the settled districts it was the Khudae Khidmatgaars. The KK had already disavowed the referendum and refused to support either of the two options. We have to stop making things so black and white. Manana

[BLS_1919v2.0]

SIR.

Its our land. Its black and white.

No one said it wasn't Shlombay, obviously its Afghan land (no one said different).....however arguing who is more at fault is useless and is not a black and white debate.