Is India in Afghanistan to help develop our economy or for there own interests?

[tor_khan]

This is hypocracy....one hand these people abuse punjabis by saying dirty indians, black indians, punjabaees etc................on the other hand they support India too much.
I have concluded:
Pakistan doing that with Afghanistan which it deserved

Please note that most users here are ethnic Afghans and that whilst loyalties other states are the reality, the wanton support of destruction in the Pashtoon lands, be they in the state of Pakistan or Afghanistan is one of the greatest tragedies of our times.

Whether we look upon this as Muslims or Afghans, is regrettable that this is supported blindly without consideration of the human costs.

I regret that you feel you needed to make that comments Son of Mountains. The truth is that whatever your feelings for Pakistan, you have through your words accepted and supported the pain and destruction of the homeland that your ancestors left and the inevitable suffering this has caused for people on both sides of a much debated boundary drawn up by the colonial powers.

[lalala]

There is a history of ISI agents being caught in India as well. If you are going to use that as your logic, you are wrong footed my friend.

I will again say, let the Afghans decide whats best for them. Pakistan has no right to dictate terms to Afghans. Rather than threats and warnings, why didnt Pakistan do what India has been doing there? Building the infrastructure and institutions. You guys could have done so much for Afghanistan. A long border, people to people relations, hundreds of years of shared history. And look what ISI and PA did. Exploit the people to control their land. And I guess Saudi Arabia and Pakistan were the only two countries to recognize the Taliban govt. in Kabul. Werent they? Doesnt that speaks volumes about the lack of goodwill towards Afghanistan?

please do not comment on Afghan history you buffon, that you would regard any history of Afghans with a fake country no more than 50 years old and its indians inhabitants as “hundreds of years of shared history” is a joke

Pakistan is not that innocent but as you said it does not deserve the entire blame.

what is the point in counting and dividing blame? when you recognize a person does not have your interest at heart, that they are your enemy, then you simply accept it as so

there is no use in discussing who deserves what amount of blame, the FACT of the matter is that TODAY it is pakistan that continues to be a thorn in the heart of Afghanistan

so we will treat them as such, whatever amount of blame in the destruction of Afg they hold is irrelevant

[eusuphxai]

the one good americans did is drive arabs from Afghanistan, now let them finally admit that punjabis are the source of terrorism in Afg and destroy the punjabi state

aoo ta ba sa kai tol umar ba chaghay ubasay! so now we have to wait for americans to do things for us kha dha chay amreica wa kana arabyano aoo punjabyano kho kha barabar karee wooo shabshay narano pukhtano ,, if world rulers were chosen on hate speech we would be ruling it.


on side note what language does taliban speak? which ethinicity are they I wonder

[lalala]

aoo ta ba sa kai tol umar ba chaghay ubasay! so now we have to wait for americans to do things for us kha dha chay amreica wa kana arabyano aoo punjabyano kho kha barabar karee wooo shabshay narano pukhtano ,, if world rulers were chosen on hate speech we would be ruling it.


on side note what language does taliban speak? which ethinicity are they I wonder

are they not supporting punjabis? giving them weapons with which to murder and bomb pashtuns and perhaps buluchis?


what would some punjabis be without the help of arabs or americans? they have never in their existence stood on their own. they always have a hand out for a penny from anyone who will give it to them

that is the point, not that we have to wait for americans, but that today it is americans who support and arm these punjabis

[eusuphxai]

I think its the other way round , I wont use the word punjabi (coz unlike most i am not an emotional freak) , pakistan government is helping americans to kill people in afghanistan,

what would punjabi be without help or arabs or americans? why is it your concern? why dont you concentrate on pakhtoon development and rule the world of your own as your forefathers did.


and in the last sentence you are contradicting yourself, as before you were implying as if you are waitng for americans to admit that punjabis are terrorist and you want them to kill punjabis, make up your mind wrora

[lalala]

I think its the other way round , I wont use the word punjabi (coz unlike most i am not an emotional freak) , pakistan government is helping americans to kill people in afghanistan,

what would punjabi be without help or arabs or americans? why is it your concern? why dont you concentrate on pakhtoon development and rule the world of your own as your forefathers did.


and in the last sentence you are contradicting yourself, as before you were implying as if you are waitng for americans to admit that punjabis are terrorist and you want them to kill punjabis, make up your mind wrora

yes i said americans are arming punjabis, even though they know that it is punjabis who foster terrorism

yes i said that americans are helping pakistanis kill pashtuns in and out of Afg, that is what i said and have said millions of times

and punjabis, fyi, is what they are, punjabis, i don't see what calling them that has to do with being "emotional" to call them pakistani is to miss the point that they opress all other ethnic groups save a few tools and slaves here and there


finally it is my concern because i made a point about one good thing to come from american invasion, that is why it is my concern, that is why i brought it up

you have just said what i said initially yet accused me of saying something different, there is an issue of reading comprehension here

[eusuphxai]

maybe, lets pick the other end of the stick shall we, might help me atleast,

taliban are pukhtana, so is it fair to call you a talib? I am not but if i were punjabi i would say in counter argument , you are talib (because you speak pastho) and you do suicide bombing in my country. (just for record he would be completely wrong as he will look at bad part of thing and apply it on whole precisely what you and most of people do here

[lalala]

maybe, lets pick the other end of the stick shall we, might help me atleast,

taliban are pukhtana, so is it fair to call you a talib? I am not but if i were punjabi i would say in counter argument , you are talib (because you speak pastho) and you do suicide bombing in my country. (just for record he would be completely wrong as he will look at bad part of thing and apply it on whole precisely what you and most of people do here

oh my, i am sooo sorry that i have offended your sensibilities by referring to a bunch of punjabis as punjabis. i don't particularly see how calling them pakistanis is any better since then you are indicting all pakistanis i suppose

in the meantime, while you are so righteous as to defend the honor of punjabis, a people who have beneiffted from slaughtering Afghans for over 25 years now, they are convincing their american benefactors that all of the terrorism within pakistan is at the hands of Pashtuns and that they will need american missiles to kill said Pashtuns


this while they make secret deals with arabs to further the cause of terrorism

wawa, aren't you a big man to alot some time to the cause of the punjabi!

god forbid we call a punjabi a punjabi

and incidentally people do call talibs Pashtun- fool, and the punjabis love it that way, that way they can create division amongst Afghans and convince Pashtuns they would be better off as slaves to punjabis then as productive members of the nation which their ancestors founded

[eusuphxai]

If i ignore your sarcastic comment there is not a lot left there but still will clear my point ,

ISI have killed pukhtana right? yes most people there are punjabyan but accusing punjabay of it is wrong, similarly as calling all pakhtoons taliban is wrong.

I will expect a logical answer and you can call me son on ranjeet singh some other time

[eusuphxai]

and incidentally people do call talibs Pashtun- fool,

so calling talibs pashtuns is foolish but govt. of pakistan or bunch of people punjabyn is right. Intresting.

[lalala]

If i ignore your sarcastic comment there is not a lot left there but still will clear my point ,

ISI have killed pukhtana right? yes most people there are punjabyan but accusing punjabay of it is wrong, similarly as calling all pakhtoons taliban is wrong.

I will expect a logical answer and you can call me son on ranjeet singh some other time

why don't you stop diverting this thread into a a defnse of punjabis fool

the fact is they are punjabis, by acknowlding this FACT you are simply acknowleding a FACT, you are not making some statement about "all " punjabis - get it?

pretending to be rational when you are in fact slow will not make you seem intelligent

so calling talibs pashtuns is foolish but govt. of pakistan or bunch of people punjabyn is right. Intresting.

calling talibs Pashtun is a fact of life air head, are you aware that talib is synonomous with Pashtun fool?

calling the pakistani govt punjabi is factual and will continue to be so whether you get your tumban in a twist over it or not


now why don't you stop diverting this thread with bs?

[muhsina]

Shlombay brother, I didn't take Muhsina's comment in any which way. Though my curiousity was roused when he used Muslim Punjabi and Sardar interchangeably, but if you see my posts I didnt point any accusatory fingers. I dont judge people or communities by forum posts.

May be I am wrong, but I read/heard somewhere that in NWFP and Afghanistan, Sikhs are seen by the locals more as shrewd traders and businessman since that is their chief occupation in those regions. Muhsina's comments may be in that regard, but I am not offended in any way.

You are right khalsa. I used the word Muslim sardar ji for the Punjabis of Pakistan to trigger their shame [if they have any iota left ofcourse] so that they stop hating Indians as they are their cousins,kith and kins.

You might not know that Pakistani elite manipulate the feelings of the miserable people living in Pakistan by exagerrating the hate element to justify the creation of Pakistan and the humungous budget reserved for the dominant Punjabi army. It is this India-phobia ,Hindu-hate and projection of extremists version of religion which are tactics used by Pakistan to keep people artifically amalagmated together in an artificial bond of nationhood ,failing which Pakistan will cease to exist.

Pakhtun society and culture has been very tolerant and even conducive for non Pakhtuns of any faith. It is due to this fact that we have Sikhs in Tirah valley ,Peshawar and elsewhere who are very credible businessmen and enjoy their life. You wil be shocked to know that even the current wave of religeous terrorism inducted by Pakistani agencies in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa affected Pakhtuns but not non Pakhtun communities like Sikhs,Hindus,Christians. [except in Punjab where they burnt the houses of these communities due to intolerance]

Pakistani state is specifically against Baloch and Pakhtuns consciously and intentionally and both of them need to deal with it considering it as their enemy. All other assumptions by Pakhtuns about Pakistani state are absurd.

[KhalsaWarrior]

you dare to announce that it is within indias rights to fight punjabis within Afghanistans borders?

you illustrate why we most expel indians from our country once and forever

why should Afghanistan be the battle ground for your desi war?


today Afghans die in sucide attacks by punjabis meant to kill indians, and as i have heard from many returnees of kabul, indians walk about arrogantly along kabul streets barking at Afghans while they whimper like dogs at the feet of westerners, self impressed, treating our people like rats as they live as guests in our country



just recently i read an article regarding indias explosion of diseases due to lack of available toilets so perhaps you indians should return to your own hellholes and build yourself some of those rather than use Afghanistan to fight your punjabi cousins

take your punjabi brethren with you!

As I said, India is not fighting a war with pakistan on Afghan soil. I hope you're not calling building schools, power supply lines, roads, government institutions as fighting a war.

please do not comment on Afghan history you buffon, that you would regard any history of Afghans with a fake country no more than 50 years old and its indians inhabitants as “hundreds of years of shared history” is a joke

The personal insults aside, you lack a knowledge of history as well. I was talking about the common history between Pakistani Pashtuns and Afghan Pashtuns. You can call Pakistan and even modern India a fake country but you cant delete the fact that there were cultural, economic and military exchanges between pre-47 India and Afghanistan. The thousands of Pashtun lineage people in India and millions in Pakistan are a testament to that. In that regard, my point was that Pakistan had a moral obligation and a golden chance to stabilize things and usher in a modern era in Afghnaistan, instead of backing the Taliban.

spare us your manipulation tactics please, do you feel that Afghans need you to point this out to us? that by doing so you have enlightened us?
It would best if you all got out, not only from our country but from our culture and our social circles

You are either too young to understand things like open discussions or plurality or are blinded by hate. If I or some Punjabi was unwlecome on this forum then your Mods wouldnt have allowed them to join.

where an Afghan goes why does a desi follow? why are you like burs, intent on sticking to Afghans?

Really?


As a last word, here's a suggesstion. Take it from somebody who has spent many years in debates and arguments, online and offline. Dont type in rage. Always be cool while you're typing as that allows you to build your arguments cohesively and logically. Otherwise you end up making rants like the one above.

[eusuphxai]

You are right khalsa. I used the word Muslim sardar ji for the Punjabis of Pakistan to trigger their shame [if they have any iota left ofcourse] so that they stop hating Indians as they are their cousins,kith and kins.

You might not know that Pakistani elite manipulate the feelings of the miserable people living in Pakistan by exagerrating the hate element to justify the creation of Pakistan and the humungous budget reserved for the dominant Punjabi army. It is this India-phobia ,Hindu-hate and projection of extremists version of religion which are tactics used by Pakistan to keep people artifically amalagmated together in an artificial bond of nationhood ,failing which Pakistan will cease to exist.

Pakhtun society and culture has been very tolerant and even conducive for non Pakhtuns of any faith. It is due to this fact that we have Sikhs in Tirah valley ,Peshawar and elsewhere who are very credible businessmen and enjoy their life. You wil be shocked to know that even the current wave of religeous terrorism inducted by Pakistani agencies in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa affected Pakhtuns but not non Pakhtun communities like Sikhs,Hindus,Christians. [except in Punjab where they burnt the houses of these communities due to intolerance]

Pakistani state is specifically against Baloch and Pakhtuns consciously and intentionally and both of them need to deal with it considering it as their enemy. All other assumptions by Pakhtuns about Pakistani state are absurd.

have you stopped smelling my stinking ass? guess not as you havn't came up with a logical answer to what I asked.

[eusuphxai]

why don't you stop diverting this thread into a a defnse of punjabis fool

the fact is they are punjabis, by acknowlding this FACT you are simply acknowleding a FACT, you are not making some statement about "all " punjabis - get it?

pretending to be rational when you are in fact slow will not make you seem intelligent





calling talibs Pashtun is a fact of life air head, are you aware that talib is synonomous with Pashtun fool?

calling the pakistani govt punjabi is factual and will continue to be so whether you get your tumban in a twist over it or not


now why don't you stop diverting this thread with bs?

I see you are very emotional good but the personal attack will not work, I have'nt yet spoke to you in a rude manner or personally attacked you( not that i cant , attacking someone personally is a lot easier than talking sense), but then it tells me how frustrated you are so its okay to take the steam out, calling me a fool, slow and calling what i said BS is okay if that makes you feel better.

and you think i post here so i look intelligent, just shows me your mental level wrora.

I am not defending anyone , i am not as brave as you wrora. I am just telling you which is my opinions unlike you "facts"