Is India in Afghanistan to help develop our economy or for there own interests?

[lalala]

As I said, India is not fighting a war with pakistan on Afghan soil. I hope you're not calling building schools, power supply lines, roads, government institutions as fighting a war.

oh my we Afghans owe our very lives to you indians now, i suppose we will hear for the next 2000 years how you built one school so that Afghans would kill punjabis on your behalf- idiot


did i mention the documentary about the utter lack of toilets in india? why don’t you go build yourselves some? i mean really? why don’t you?

The personal insults aside, you lack a knowledge of history as well. I was talking about the common history between Pakistani Pashtuns and Afghan Pashtuns. You can call Pakistan and even modern India a fake country but you cant delete the fact that there were cultural, economic and military exchanges between pre-47 India and Afghanistan. The thousands of Pashtun lineage people in India and millions in Pakistan are a testament to that. In that regard, my point was that Pakistan had a moral obligation and a golden chance to stabilize things and usher in a modern era in Afghnaistan, instead of backing the Taliban.



You are either too young to understand things like open discussions or plurality or are blinded by hate. If I or some Punjabi was unwlecome on this forum then your Mods wouldnt have allowed them to joi.

the “history” between “pakistani” Pashtuns and Afghans is obvious, that is hardly “history” so much as it is a matter of fact. do you think stating the obvious makes you an authority on history? besides which you claim you were referring to “pakistani” Pashtuns yet you mentioned “hundreds” of years of history which leads me to believe that you are unaware of the fact that the crap holes of pakistan are only decades old. so much for your knowledge of history


and why would i call india a fake country? are you comparing india to pakistan, a country formed by british toads only a few decades ago? more over there are thousands of people of Pashtun lineage in the west as well, do we also share a common history in any sense that matters with them? we are all aware that many self hating desis claim central asian and iranian heritage, what of it?

Really?


As a last word, here's a suggesstion. Take it from somebody who has spent many years in debates and arguments, online and offline. Dont type in rage. Always be cool while you're typing as that allows you to build your arguments cohesively and logically. Otherwise you end up making rants like the one above.

i suppose any argument that does not fall in line with your bs would amount to a “rant” and a “rage”

you must feel so clever giving such lectures, commenting on the age of others to give some illusion of wisdom, i suppose in lieu of any meaningful rebuttal this gives you a sense of smug self-satisfaction

that’s okay i didn’t expect you to have any meaningful rebuttals

finally what you call “rage” is a fully formed, strong opinion, i’m sorry you are so threatened and alarmed by it lol

[lalala]

How is it beneficial? India is using you Afghans to build a base for potential war with us Pakistani Pashtuns.

Why would India want to help you Afghans? They will exploit your resources and use you as war-shield against us powerful Pakistan.

eat glass and die

[lalala]

I understand your parlance and respect it. Also as I said earlier its is historically and factually correct. But the fact is that Indians dont themselves call themselves as just Hindus, as the term Hindu now only carries a religious connotation and nothing more to people to whom its applied. So my humble request to you is to address the people as they want to be addressed or as they address themselves. Apart from that its your wish, nobody can bind you to call Hindus as Indians.

as was already explained to you, in Afg undu is a word for desi,.do you think we should restructure our language and culture to appease you?

[Shayesta]

^ Your frustration towards India makes you come across like an Pakistani Pukhtoon, no joke.

[Saifullah]

So Shayesta why the love for India? As a human being my first problem with India is its oppression in Kashmir. Many human rights groups have mentioned this, yet nobody criticises India about this because the world is unjust and they just want a piece of the cake. They notice India has got a large population, there people are educated and they want to invest and get opportunities from India that is why they overlook their injustices.

[Shayesta]

^ I could ask those haters the same; Why so much hate for India? All I am siding is the truth and if that makes me come across as an India-lover, then may it be so. I have seen the Indian work in Afghanistan and I have seen how happy people in Afghanistan are with India, and I am happy for my people. Is that wrong?

And about the Kashmir, I have always stated that as long as a country doesn't interfere with other countries, I don't give a damn about what that country is doing to his own people; Same goes for India. Kashmir is a matter between them and Pakistan and even if Pakistan stops interfering with Kashmir and stops to free Kashmir, then I can bet India will go much softer on Kashmir. Try to memorize what Pakistan did to Bangladesh when they announced they want independence and what they are doing to Balochistan today, who want the same.

[Saifullah]

I am not defending Pakistan, they are a hypocritical country.
But at the same type i cannot love India. I do not hate them at the same time, but i do not defend its aggression in Kashmir, sorry but civilians should not be killed based on what Pakistan does.

The solution to kashmir should be based on votes as India is the biggest democracy in the world. Anywayz yes it is wrong to think that India is helping Afghans for free. Our people are easily fooled.

[Shayesta]

^ You are also in misconception thinking I love India. I just like them and I appreciate them helping my country, even if their interest is attached. And once again, until and unless they haven't harmed my people, I am not gonna speak against them. Did any Kashmiri ever show concern about Afghans that we should shed tears in return for them?

[Saifullah]

Even if a Kashmiri never showed concern, as a human i have to call injustice as injustice. I cannot say oh its great Indians kill some Kashmiri kids or women, because Kashmiris never cried for me when i was oppressed. Thats not right

[Shayesta]

^ Yes, of course you can call it injustice because it is wrong. But I don't think Afghans should ruin their relationship with India because of what they are doing to Kashmir; Just like how Kashmiris do know Pakistani government is involved in Afghan war and how they do know what Pakistan did to Bangladesh, but yet support Pakistan in their war against India for their own interest. And I am (still) of opinion that if Pakistan stops interfering, then even Indian injustice will stop.

[Saifullah]

True..except for the last part.

[Saifullah]

It is the other way round. If India stopped oppressing Kashmiris maybe Kashmiris wouldnt need Pakistans help.

[Shayesta]

^ Afghanistan didn't need Pakistan when Russia newly arrived in Afghanistan either, but yet they interfered. And haven't we seen the outcome of their interference? Exactly same goes regarding Kashmir; If Pakistan hadn't sent it's people to Kashmir in first, that area wouldn't have become a war-zone today.

[Saifullah]

Well I wouldn't portray it like that. It wasn't so simple as that. When Russia arrived in Afghanistan, it was Afghan group who started to go against the government. Was the death of Daud due to Pakistan? There was internal fighting between the communists.

Also it was America who used ISI to interfer in Afghanistan. Everything ISI did was in agreement with CIA. They worked together.

[Shayesta]

^ Please don't tell me you haven't heard of the anti-Daud Khan camps in Pekhawer? And please don't tell me it wasn't Hafizullah Amin (well-wisher of Pakistan) kicked off the war against Russia? And that USA was involved is known by literally everyone, but if it wasn't for Pakistan then they wouldn't have gotten anywhere, would they? Pakistan was MUCH more eager to get involved than USA.