Tableeghi Jumat: the indirect cause of extremism and terrorism

[Afghanistan2010]

Actions speak louder than words..

What are you actually doing about it to fix the problems in Afghanistan...

There is alot im doing,non of your business.
on the other hand there is a pashto matal : Pe ywa laas taqa na kejjje,with one hand you can't claps.

[DaZahroJaam.]

Funny,how you support war led by occupation forces,puppet army to bring peace in Afghanistan.
Actually its not that funny-,because you support the killing of afghan people.The massmurder of our mazlum millat which is going for the last decade.

If we did not have crushed the russians by force,today you hypocrites were living in slavery of a communist regime,now you are cherring how you defeated the russians,but actually you are hypocrites,who oppose the resistancy,history will repeat,and you will claim to have defeated all world powers.

You are the problem,people like you who support occupying forces and the oppression of poor nations,stealing their natural ressources for the last 4000 years by criminals.

Nothing can stop this,it is a known saying : The word of the words,is the word of the sword.

I was two years old when the soviet war ended. I don't brag about my family members having participated in any wars. I don't take pride in barbarism or advocate any form of it.
When and where did I support this or any other war in Afghanistan or anywhere else in the world?? I am a slave?? Your wars are fought by foreigners who have turned your country in to a battle field, your children in to illiterate beggars or suicide bombers and brained washed you in to worshipping them and I m a slave?? How am I a salve?? You can't even think for yourself and I am the slave.
The likes of you are no different than those who support their own family members who rape or murder others. Is it loyalty?? Yes. Is is right?? No. Dogs are loyal too. You don't let them rule the world.

And I don't see why I should be wasting my time by communicating with you. Don't waste my time.

[JAMALUDEEN]

There is alot im doing,non of your business.
on the other hand there is a pashto matal : Pe ywa laas taqa na kejjje,with one hand you can't claps.

huh? come on.. don't be shy.. tell us.. what are you doing..

[ډګروال]

Funny,how you support war led by occupation forces,puppet army to bring peace in Afghanistan.
Actually its not that funny-,because you support the killing of afghan people.The massmurder of our mazlum millat which is going for the last decade.

If we did not have crushed the russians by force,today you hypocrites were living in slavery of a communist regime,now you are cherring how you defeated the russians,but actually you are hypocrites,who oppose the resistancy,history will repeat,and you will claim to have defeated all world powers.

You are the problem,people like you who support occupying forces and the oppression of poor nations,stealing their natural ressources for the last 4000 years by criminals.

Nothing can stop this,it is a known saying : The word of the words,is the word of the sword.

da khalak sharmedelee paman khalak dee wakht dey prey ma zaya kawa.

[faye]

the demand for well trained international terrorists must be extremely high. Someone who is capable of butchering his own should have no problem handling the rest. Why, Osama came to help afghans with the war and we are still not done celebrating that victory.

Funny how you promote war and consider it a solution for peace yet have a problem with science because somehow it's linked to uranium..

This thread is so disappointing..for every one person who is out there to do something good, there is five hundred other who will do nothing but brew hatred amongst others and come up with different ways destroying things.

so now i promote war? you wanna show us some evidence of this latest fake claim?

girl, you are deteriorating badly. those dumbass movies you watch are rotting your brain.

[DaZahroJaam.]

so now i promote war? you wanna show us some evidence of this latest fake claim?

girl, you are deteriorating badly. those dumbass movies you watch are rotting your brain.

bitch, I quoted you. That is the evidence. The mujaheddin must be great since they fight in Palestine.. That is what you said. Movies are for entertainment, not education. They too were made by dimwits like you. And I am not scimitar so don't expect me to back an fort with you on this for the next three weeks.

[faye]

bitch, I quoted you. That is the evidence. The mujaheddin must be great since they fight in Palestine.. That is what you said. Movies are for entertainment, not education. They too were made by dimwits like you. And I am not scimitar so don't expect me to back an fort with you on this for the next three weeks.

that is your proof? dimwits like me made the movies you drool over?
girly...you have lost it.

[Afghanistan2010]

I was two years old when the soviet war ended. I don't brag about my family members having participated in any wars. I don't take pride in barbarism or advocate any form of it.
When and where did I support this or any other war in Afghanistan or anywhere else in the world?? I am a slave?? Your wars are fought by foreigners who have turned your country in to a battle field, your children in to illiterate beggars or suicide bombers and brained washed you in to worshipping them and I m a slave?? How am I a salve?? You can't even think for yourself and I am the slave.
The likes of you are no different than those who support their own family members who rape or murder others. Is it loyalty?? Yes. Is is right?? No. Dogs are loyal too. You don't let them rule the world.

And I don't see why I should be wasting my time by communicating with you. Don't waste my time.

Why are you playing here innocent, you support the war against the afghan people not only because you oppose taliban,but there is something else i won't tell here more than ( Sunni-Shia ).

Foreigners supported by your likes are responsible,if those (communists,northern alliance and others did not have supported them) afghan children won't die in the rain of bombs,by bloodthirsty drunken soldiers,who go on a shooting rampage.

Afghans did not find other means,other than using such tactics to defend them,their families,take revenge for the crimes done to them.

Imagine,your father is shot,your brother taken into prison like Bagram,what will a free man do ? Is there any choice left,than to stand up against such cruelities ?

[Michin Khel]

he is totally right if you and your gang of kafirs here ,badlun,lewanay,toramana and others are allowd to shape thePashtun society than it will be all that he mentioned.

I dont consider you western brats to be religous at all, reading some islamic material on internet and acting like religous gangsters doesnt mean you you boys are islamists, actually you people are giving bad name to pious and religous folk. who knows whether you pray nimaz 5 times or not, its sure that you boys wear western dresses. Try to win hearts of people for islam, not by engaging in useless verbal fights with people on internet, go leave your PC and go to mosque for prayer, har wakht computer ta naast ye. @afghanistan2010 translate your word "kharkosan" for us.

[ډګروال]

I dont consider you western brats to be religous at all, reading some islamic material on internet and acting like religous gangsters doesnt mean you people doesnt mean you boys are islamists, actually you people are giving bad name to pious and religous folk. who knows whether you pray nimaz 5 times or not, its sure that you boys wear western dresses. Try to win hearts of people for islam, not by engaging in useless verbal fights with people on internet, go leave your PC and go to mosque for prayer, har wakht computer ta naast ye. @afghanistan2010 translate your word "kharkosan" for us.

quit your typical "western brats" talk.How are we brats when we work hard from age 14 while you live off your rich daddy.
out of all people you shouldnt talk about such stuff.
you are the guy from ABBOTabad named after a westerner..Who cares who you consider religious or not.As if a munafiq such as you is the authority to say who is religious or not.
i never claimed to be a religious authority neither did i claim to be Islamist,knowledgeable in Islam or religious gangster(new word).
it seems that fools such as you open their big mouths without thinking.

btw tableeghi jamat is needed for napakistan since you people are on the verge.
wonder why there is no tableeghi jamat in AFG? thats because peopel in Afghanistan are not like you.

[Badlun]

Well you are against Schimitar type Muslims who believe in science and logic more than you do. you are against the JI as they talk about a socio politic system, (you call them daa dwe da zaan na da islam thekadaran jorr karri). You are against tablighees though their members are highly peaceful and mostly businessmen and educated. But as i told you your problem is not taliban or tablighees but you actuall problem is with Islam. these tablighees and taliban are just your excuses.
the development that you see in Europe and in america is the result of 200 years struggle. Unfortunately our leaders are sold from the day one. now dont tell me they come from us. they dont represent us. you better know the democracies in the muslim countries.

First I am not against any one here on personal grounds. There may be difference of opinion, difference of approach but I am against no one. All are my friends. All Pashtuns are my cousins.
The difference of opinion with Schimitar is that he is in favour of making Islam as base for logic, philosophy, science etc while for me Islam is only and only religion(faith+worship+morality). For me reason can be used in philosophy , senses in science while revelation in religion but he mixes all these.

Jumat Islami believes that political Islam exists and mullas and religious scholars should be members of parliament while I think that there is no political Islam or Islam-ism. Islam just caters for your beliefs, worship and morality while for politics we have other systems like democracy. JI for Islamic state then use terrorism like Taliban.

Tableeghis are no doubt peaceful(opposite to what JI is) but as discussed above in detail, they make society ultra conservative which become a nursery for the growth of extremists and terrorists. I favor Sufis not Tableeghis for apolitical religious work.

I am against political Islam, Islam of JI, Islam of Taliban, Islam of Salafis, Wahabis, Ahle hadith but follower of Sufi Islam or any Islam which only talks of religion not of culture, society, politics or economics. Personally I am a Hanafi Sunni Sufi Muslim when it comes to beliefs and worship.

Europe got the progress in 200 years but we could not get it in thousands years. point to ponder over!

[Afghanistan2010]

First I am not against any one here on personal grounds. There may be difference of opinion, difference of approach but I am against no one. All are my friends. All Pashtuns are my cousins.
The difference of opinion with Schimitar is that he is in favour of making Islam as base for logic, philosophy, science etc while for me Islam is only and only religion(faith+worship+morality). For me reason can be used in philosophy , senses in science while revelation in religion but he mixes all these.

Jumat Islami believes that political Islam exists and mullas and religious scholars should be members of parliament while I think that there is no political Islam or Islam-ism. Islam just caters for your beliefs, worship and morality while for politics we have other systems like democracy. JI for Islamic state then use terrorism like Taliban.

Tableeghis are no doubt peaceful(opposite to what JI is) but as discussed above in detail, they make society ultra conservative which become a nursery for the growth of extremists and terrorists. I favor Sufis not Tableeghis for apolitical religious work.

I am against political Islam, Islam of JI, Islam of Taliban, Islam of Salafis, Wahabis, Ahle hadith but follower of Sufi Islam or any Islam which only talks of religion not of culture, society, politics or economics. Personally I am a Hanafi Sunni Sufi Muslim when it comes to beliefs and worship.

Europe got the progress in 200 years but we could not get it in thousands years. point to ponder over!

After all the crap you come with this.
You are against everyone who does not agree with your sick views.

[Badlun]

It is their official policy to stay away from politics and media, i think it is good. They are actually very different from talibans, they dont enforce islam on you, they attached you to their activities so that you become automatically influenced. Unlike talibans They dont ask you to grow beard, you would grow it by yourself when your imaan level increases. They focus on your basics and imaniyat and increase your spirtuality level, while talibans are concerned mostly with punishing women, burqa, lashes, stoning etc. They dont refrain you from bad, they only preach you good as they dont want to antagonize your ego, while you are reformed due to tabligh, you would automatically refrain from bad. They themeselves are not expert in converting non-muslims, but they focus on changing western muslims with tabligh, as the permenantly settled local muslims, would be then good examples for non-muslims and they would do tabligh in accordance with western society...excellent stretagy. In my opinion they are hundred times better than munafiqs of jumat e islami. All they need is some refeshing updates and corrections. My previous post was deep analysis of tabligh, i should'nt have posted it as most of the members here are either athiests/non-practicing or immature e-jihadi warriors living in the west.

The in depth analysis of Tableeghi Jumaat is very much appreciated and is the dire need of the hour. I personally think that Tableeghis are some times worse than Taliban as what Taliban do is explicit to every one and reaction against Taliban is always clear but Tableeghis are silent killers. They are expert in slow poisoning. They are extremely dangerous group.

Tableeghis are like termites destroying the fabric of society especially Pashtun society from the roots pushing them in stone age. Tableeghis in their disguise are hoodwinking many Muslims and non Muslims and as mentioned above even Israel also allow them to practise their propagation. Many countries issue visas to them because like many here they think that Tableeghis are peaceful but many are unaware that because of Tableeghis the society becomes radicalized and ready to receive and flourish extremists and terrorists.

Tableeghis have an excellent strategy that without inviting the anger and opposition of others exterminate the very roots of a modern society.

We should not worry about few members here who oppose any creative effort like deep analysis of Tableeghi Jumaat. Many others on net can benifit out of innovative and analytical analysis of Pashtun soceity and those who are adamant on extirpation of Pashtun society and hampering their progress and development.

[abassinafghan]

quit your typical "western brats" talk.How are we brats when we work hard from age 14 while you live off your rich daddy.
out of all people you shouldnt talk about such stuff.
you are the guy from ABBOTabad named after a westerner..Who cares who you consider religious or not.As if a munafiq such as you is the authority to say who is religious or not.
i never claimed to be a religious authority neither did i claim to be Islamist,knowledgeable in Islam or religious gangster(new word).
it seems that fools such as you open their big mouths without thinking.

btw tableeghi jamat is needed for napakistan since you people are on the verge.
wonder why there is no tableeghi jamat in AFG? thats because peopel in Afghanistan are not like you.


Last edited by ډګروال; Today at 01:05 PM.

how is your parchamai daddy doing on wellfare in holland ?

when we work hard from age 14

yeah age 14 my a-s-s

[Badlun]

how many jihadis have come from this group, that you have information about, badlun?
i read that they are permitted to be active in israel. isn't that unusual, if they are the threat that you claim?

I do not have exact data that how many jihadis have come from Tableeghis so far as this can be thousands and one needs to conduct a proper research on collection primary and secondary data on this. However I personally know 47 Pashtun families who were first members of Tableeghi Jumaat but later on joined Taliban.
Proper research is required on statistical data in this regard however on theoretical side tableeghis and jihadis have same belief system. tableeghis prepares the ground while Jihadis act.

Many think that Tableeghis are innocent but they have tremendous role in making Pashtun society highly conservative and obscurantist. Any Pashtun living in Pakistan and Afghanistan as well as in other countries can verufy this claim.

About Israel I do not know whether they allow them but if they do so , they commit mistake as many of Tableeghis will be readily recruited by Hamas and Al Jihad type terrorists.