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  • #31
    Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
    Neither Najib nor Karzai were Mashars by lineage

    there is no meritocracy in Pashtunwali
    what are you talking about. they brought in zahir shah and no one wanted as leader nor any of zahir shahs kin. they had no merit, they lost it when they ran away during time of need.

    Pashtunwali promotes using power and responsibility on the right path. If one uses it on the wrong path, they will be rejected.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by khushal View Post
      Pashtuns are not nationalistic. They like their independence and dont want to have any government to have authority over them.

      yeah sure looks that way




      An elderly Pashtun man looks for guidance as he enters a polling station to vote during the parliamentary elections in Kabul, Afghanistan, Saturday
      [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

      2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by khushal View Post
        what are you talking about. they brought in zahir shah and no one wanted as leader nor any of zahir shahs kin. they had no merit, they lost it when they ran away during time of need.

        Pashtunwali promotes using power and responsibility on the right path. If one uses it on the wrong path, they will be rejected.
        zahir shah had no merit, he was just King because his dad was Nadir Shah
        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
          zahir shah had no merit, he was just King because his dad was Nadir Shah
          he or I should say his uncle and cousin had merit during his/their rule since he/they kept the country in peace. He lost it when he did nothing for his country in time of need (his uncle and cousins were dead) that is why the Americans couldnt install him as king again.
          If it is lineage like you say, then zahir shah or one of his kin would have been king today, they are not so you are wrong.
          Last edited by khushal; 09-21-2012, 01:53 PM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by بریدمل View Post
            that is a weak excuse.

            the poster has never lived in Afg or pukhtunkhwa.
            i think you are very wrong the way you are perceiving muslims.

            the muslims in caucasus are the same as the muslims somewhere in egypt.
            we are all brothers but you wouldnt agree you think chechenyans have russian type culture etc.
            I need no excuse as I am not implementing anything dear Bridmal!

            Also I disagree, Vaynakhs have no Russian type culture neither the Arabic one, a visit to the Caucasus can make You understand that easily. Also You will realize that different caucasian nations have different cultures.
            You can see that even through history( Davud Myushkyurvi.....)
            Ա՜խ, ընկել եմ քար ու քարափ,
            Իմ սրբություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ,
            Ես ծովակ եմ առանց կարապ,
            Իմ էություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:
            Ես անտառ եմ առանց եղնիկ
            Իմ վեհություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

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            • #36
              Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
              yeah sure looks that way




              An elderly Pashtun man looks for guidance as he enters a polling station to vote during the parliamentary elections in Kabul, Afghanistan, Saturday
              voting exists in pashtunwali. does not prove your point. people in my village vote but there is no government authority there. disputes are not handled by the government, there is no police, court or any other government institution there.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by khushal View Post
                he or I should say his uncle and cousin had merit during his/their rule since he/they kept the country in peace. He lost it when he did nothing for his country in time of need (his uncle and cousins were dead) that is why the Americans couldnt install him as king again. In reality the Americans couldnt install his cousin and uncle because they were dead.

                If it is lineage like you say, then zahir shah or one of his kin would have been king today, they are not so you are wrong.
                hahah yes they had merit, but they weren't given credit for it


                Your statement is a red herirng; Afghans are tired of the old ways; hence today they prefer someone they chose. Pashtunwali is obsolete
                [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by khushal View Post
                  voting exists in pashtunwali. does not prove your point. people in my village vote but there is no government authority there. disputes are not handled by the government, there is no police, court or any other government institution there.

                  since when do you need polling stations in Pashtunwali to elect a Government Official in a central government?

                  do you ever not prattle bull**** when there's abundant evidence to the contrary? save yourself at least SOME dignity
                  [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                  2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                    since when do you need polling stations in Pashtunwali to elect a Government Official in a central government?

                    do you ever not prattle bull**** when there's abundant evidence to the contrary? save yourself at least SOME dignity
                    polling station is a new method of an old system. besides that why does the government hold loya jirgas every so often if pashtunwali is dead. The current government has no merit because they need a foreign army to protect itself.

                    I see your panicking again because you have been proved wrong. Answer the question, Why was Zahir shah or his kin not installed as kin since you say pashtunwali promotes lineage to rule.
                    Last edited by khushal; 09-21-2012, 02:06 PM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                      hahah yes they had merit, but they weren't given credit for it


                      Your statement is a red herirng; Afghans are tired of the old ways; hence today they prefer someone they chose. Pashtunwali is obsolete
                      Pashtunwali is not obsolete since the majority of afghans settle disputes and lives by the code even today.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by khushal View Post
                        Pashtunwali is not obsolete since the majority of afghans settle disputes and lives by the code even today.
                        Why stick to a system that clearly doesn't work??

                        I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.

                        non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by DaZahroJaam. View Post
                          Why stick to a system that clearly doesn't work??
                          it works for them

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by khushal View Post
                            Pashtunwali is not obsolete since the majority of afghans settle disputes and lives by the code even today.

                            then it is definitely obsolete

                            "Settling Disputes" committee inaugurated in western Afghanistan
                            source : Afghan Voice Agency (AVA), Herat




                            Herat, (AVA)- The committee of settling disputes consisted of clerics, tribal elders inaugurated in western Afghanistan.

                            The commission of settling dispute in charge, Mohammad Sharif Mojaddedi, said the tribal disputes have caused problems between the Afghanistan government and people in many Afghanistan areas.

                            Some tribal disputes have been settled in Badghis and Herat so far.

                            Pointing to important role of religious clerics in providing peace in Afghanistan, Mojaddedi said the new commission could be effective in High Council for Peace progress.

                            The commission was inaugurated after the tribal and families disputes had raised in Herat, Badghis and Ghor.
                            http://www.usip.org/files/ROL/TLO%20...stan%20(2).pdf

                            Thus, in these cases, the Justice Shura
                            played a role in mediating not only between the district government and people, but also

                            between Chahar Borjak’s economic power holders and those that depend on them.
                            say good bye to a dysfunctional way of life
                            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by khushal View Post
                              it works for them
                              No it doesn't; if it worked they wouldn't be so backwards today.
                              [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                              2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                                then it is definitely obsolete


                                http://www.usip.org/files/ROL/TLO%20...stan%20(2).pdf




                                say good bye to a dysfunctional way of life
                                from your own source
                                The Grishk Justice Shura
                                liaised frequently with the district government, and improved on local dispute
                                resolution practices in some ways. However, the Shura                                 operated under severe security restrictions, and
                                could neither reveal its existence publicly, nor inform even Justice Shura litigants of its connection to
                                TLO                                 – which, as a non-governmental organization, would have raised suspicions both with local litigants
                                and with local Taliban. As a result, the Grishk Justice Shura could only solve about ten cases, referred

                                from the district governor.


                                they couldnt reveal its existence publicly. shame shame.

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