TTP execute 22 Shias in Pakistan bus attack

[Tjanaparh]

What is serious to us is not serious in the eyes of you westerners and what is serious to you is not serious to us sometimes.
This is what makes people and nations different from each other. Otherwise there was no need for boundaries between the nations, and difference of opinion and thought.

Dear friend, I suppose that this issue is much more serious to You than to the West.
The west cares less and sees generally the region as a place of profit. News like these are simply used for political reasons. You on the other hand have Your home there, and in whose interest if not in Yours is a stble situation, to have a strong motherland not t be used as battlefield of otherones interests?
Also look that boundaries, specially in Your home do not correspond the netions and are used quiet good to keep tansions on all of You.
The "divide et impera" formula has its sad verification in the whole region. 100eds of conflicts can be created out of nothing.
To care for the people has in this case nothing to do with being westernize or not!
Take care that such a way of thinking could target anybody of us and it is really a pitty that inner problems that seem to be resolvible in a completely different way take all the power of your pople that could be used to get stronger and protect yourself from outern enemies.
I am really sorry about this

take also in consideration that a person is not obviously what he declares to be. If people continue thinking with labels "sunni", "shia"... how will they develop? How will they be strong in their fait blinded by this labels and not seing the disbelief of some who declare themselves coherent to the lables?
If such a situation really exists as you described, you should be the first to find a way of change from inner. One should be able to see his errors and change them before others see them and take use of them..

[Afghanistan2010]

so you think these shias were singing insults on their bus and the ttp happen to of heard it and killed them all?

obviously no shia would be stupid enough to insult sunni beliefs in these areas.

As we see these "socalled-Sunni radicals" most of the pakistani and iranian shias are aswell such radicals,they are being radicalized by their leaders to kill,abuse,torture,insult,they would have killed any Sunni if they have the chance to.



‫!فتوى رافضية تجيز قتل أهل السنة والجماعة‬‎ - YouTube[/URL]


Translation : People ask for fatawaa to kill any Sunni,fatawaa is present by ++++++ because every Sunni is wahabi and every wahabi is dirty,kill them ....


-my intention was not to justify this attack,just shading some light on radicals on both side.

[faye]

arevapasht, news like this is the same as news about slaughter of a mass of school kids in america. it is abhorrent.
some may use it for political purposes but it makes headlines, like all other incidents of such barbarity, because it is such.

[Afghanistan2010]

I will blaspheme the Sahaba right now

Uthman Ibn 'Affan was a liar Ummayad and he manipulated others to gain the Khilafa, he was a corrupt man.

'Ali ibn Abu talib(ra) was generally good but had severe character flaws, one of them being that he was very self obsessed and pompous and it blinded his leadership ability.

What will you do now Friend?

You are a muttzeal,this should be enough.
Luckly we liquidated you out back then....yoo ,peace wigger

[Afghanistan2010]

Friend is a brother. His reasoning is different.

Both sides do this killing and it has been going on for centuries. It has nothing to do with what some Shia or some Sunni says about the prophet or Islam. It has more to do with alliances. The Shias in Kurrum and the other places are allied with the Pakistani government against the TTP. Recently the TTP and the Turi tribe have agreed to a peace deal. It appears that some factions with in the TTP or some other party are not happy with the peace.
The peace deal has allowed free movement of the Taliban into Paktya, Khost, and paktika provence. White Taliban flags have been raised all over on the Afghan side which were not there before.
The Turi/TTP peace deal, which was brokered by the Haqqanis and some say the Pakistani government, is creating problems for the Afghan government.

That you can reread it....this is it

[abassinafghan]

stop abusing and blaspheming sahaba kiraam R.A.

like the wahabi salafi cult of sauds ??? who built toiellets and shopping centers on
their graves ???


like ISMAELI SHIA ALI JINNAH , whose disgusting face is every where in NAPAKISTAN ?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Its a tit for tat thing. both sunnis and shias target the whole community vs the guilty individuals because its hard to get those guilty individuals. These Sunnis in the article that killed these shias, whos going to find them, its almost impossible, they blend back into the populous, they could be as far away as Karachi or Kabul right now.

All you're saying is that because of the TTP ; sunni civilians are now in danger.

This does nothing to excuse or explain or justify suchjactions,

[RevolutionThroughReason]

You are a muttzeal,this should be enough.
Luckly we liquidated you out back then....yoo ,peace wigger

And look where you are now.



If you were a Mu'tazilah; you wouldn't be slaves of kufar and living on their welfare

[khushal]

but we know they are ttp. how many of these kind of attacks have paki shias launched against paki sunnis? none.

While the majority of attacks happen against shias, there are many attacks that have been launched by shias against innocent sunnis. There are radicals on both sides that kill innocents.
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-ne...test+News%2529

[RevolutionThroughReason]

-my intention was not to justify this attack,just shading some light on radicals on both side.

So kill this person; not random civilians you coward.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

While the majority of attacks happen against shias, there are many attacks that have been launched by shias against innocent sunnis. There are radicals on both sides that kill innocents.
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-ne...test+News%2529

This is a side tracking what the TTP has done though, again ..deal with those people who target civiilians


Your argument is a Tu Quoque fallacy.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/tuquoque.html

[khushal]

All you're saying is that because of the TTP ; sunni civilians are now in danger.

This does nothing to excuse or explain or justify suchjactions,

Both Sunni and Shia civilians are in danger because of the US occupation. This age old rivalry erupted right after the US occupation. It also erupted right after the Soviet invasion.

FYI since you beleive that it is Taliban policy to target Shias, Kurrum was peacefull during Taliban rule of Afghansitan.

[khushal]

This is a side tracking what the TTP has done though, again ..deal with those people who target civiilians


Your argument is a Tu Quoque fallacy.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/tuquoque.html

no fallacy and no sidetracking, I was responding to Randolph who beleives that there are no attacks by shias against sunnis.

In the big picture, the rivalry is used by big powers for their own interests(Taliban, Afghan governmnet, Pakistan governmnet, Iran, India, and NAto).

[ډګروال]

ګوره دی منافقینو ته
په دغی تریډ کښی یو لیکل هم نشته او د شیه خبره شوه نور ټول لګیا دي.
ځوګ وایی چه په دی بس کښی بی ګناه خلک وو او قاتلین د بی ګناهانو نه.
او که دا بی ګناه خلک وو نور لعنط دی وي پر د دوی قاتلانو

خو د دی ځای د خلکو منافقت وګوری،په هغی بل تریډ کښی چه شیه ملیشه
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shia kafir Q....? by sipahe sahaba Parachinaar - YouTube

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Both Sunni and Shia civilians are in danger because of the US occupation. This age old rivalry erupted right after the US occupation. It also erupted right after the Soviet invasion.

You're trying to SWAY focus ...BIG time ......Sunnis are now in danger because of the possibility of Shi'a retaliation for TTP actions.

that has NOTHING to do with U.S. occupation