Afghanistan major non-NATO U.S. ally?

[khushal]

-_liban.

Paktia is bordering whith Khost, so what you are telling is big lie, it can never be like what you are saing, i

Look how stupid you are and the proof that you have not been to Afghanistan. Khost and Paktia seperated after the taliban were deposed from power during the karzai administration. before that both were one province called paktia.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Look how stupid you are and the proof that you have not been to Afghanistan. Khost and Paktia seperated after the taliban were deposed from power during the karzai administration. before that both were one province called paktia.

how do you jump to that conclusion from that statement? CURRENTLY they are bordering each other.


You're grasping for straws, and you weren't there, you said yourself you were in Peshawar, who's the liar now?

Now show proof that Khostai said he hadn't been there since age 2

[Toramana]

@shadowgovernor,
These people are educated yet they have not learned to think out of the box. Any weapon that America gives to the afghan nation or pakistan nation or saudi arabia etc is given to control their own people and preventing them from getting their "khak".

Forget pakistan, the afghan government in compliance with NATO itself is doing more harm to its own citizens than pakistan can ever do. Its actually telling pakistan "please bomb another afghan and pakistani pashtun village, we are sorry in advance, here's another billion for your trouble."

The problem in Afghanistan is corruption. All those in the government are sellouts to Iran, Pakistan, America. When they retire, they can live comfortable lives in the West or Dubai while the simple afghans suffer and are bombed by those weapons that are supposed to be used to defend against another nation that are also supplied with the same weapons by the same provider.

There you have a point. But even then you just scratch the surface without digging deeper----the point is, subversion and its perception by the dominant powers as something of a threat to their interests ends up in their tightening the strangle-hold even more through support to local clients and co-opts. Don't you think, had Taleban played it with wisdom and foresight, they would be ruling Afghanistan. In fact, Taleban have just done the opposite.

The whole idea is, you gradually break the strangle-hold through playing the "card of popular will" (Egypt, Turkey, India, etc. are examples) and politically right moves. You play it according to the principles of game theory.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

@shadowgovernor,
These people are educated yet they have not learned to think out of the box. Any weapon that America gives to the afghan nation or pakistan nation or saudi arabia etc is given to control their own people and preventing them from getting their "khak".
r.

Isn't that what the Taliban pretty much does already with all the death threats, murders, and suicide attacks? You're being disingenuous. What you're arguing basically demonstrates the Taliban's own lack of legitimacy. We agree the Current Government is corrupt; but Taliban murdering villagers to gain their compliance is equally corrupt if not more so.

There's thinking outside the box and there is a license to manufacture zany slippery slope fallacy scenarios; you represent the latter.

[faye]

lol, he's confused
he has on his tin hat again, where he has to deflect any responsibilty back on the west as he believes the muslims have no free will and are totally under physical and mind control of the west.
khushal thinking ouside the box? loooolllll !!!!!

[RevolutionThroughReason]

khushal thinking ouside the box? loooolllll !!!!!

Khushal clumsily fumbles around new terms and concepts others like myself teach him because we use them on the forum in debates; Khushal does so without understanding what they entail.

[khushal]

how do you jump to that conclusion from that statement? CURRENTLY they are bordering each other.


You're grasping for straws, and you weren't there, you said yourself you were in Peshawar, who's the liar now?

Now show proof that Khostai said he hadn't been there since age 2

because he and I are discussing the time of the taliban rule so we are not discussing currently.

I dont know why you think you know my life since I have not discussed it. you seem to think you know where I was at all times.

Im not going to look for the post where he said that, but it was at the beginning when he first joined the forum.

[khushal]

There you have a point. But even then you just scratch the surface without digging deeper----the point is, subversion and its perception by the dominant powers as something of a threat to their interests ends up in their tightening the strangle-hold even more through support to local clients and co-opts. Don't you think, had Taleban played it with wisdom and foresight, they would be ruling Afghanistan. In fact, Taleban have just done the opposite.

The whole idea is, you gradually break the strangle-hold through playing the "card of popular will" (Egypt, Turkey, India, etc. are examples) and politically right moves. You play it according to the principles of game theory.

breaking the strangle hold by playing their game by their rules. good luck. the rules are not designed for them to lose dominance. I dont think the taliban are interested to just rule afghanistan otherwise they would have just given up bin laden to keep power. It was because they refused to play by their rules.

[khushal]

Isn't that what the Taliban pretty much does already with all the death threats, murders, and suicide attacks? You're being disingenuous. What you're arguing basically demonstrates the Taliban's own lack of legitimacy. We agree the Current Government is corrupt; but Taliban murdering villagers to gain their compliance is equally corrupt if not more so.

There's thinking outside the box and there is a license to manufacture zany slippery slope fallacy scenarios; you represent the latter.

International law states that the occupier is responsible for the security of the ones being occupied. If they cant proved then get out. Let the people sort it out themselves through natural social evolution.

[randolph85]

according to mutawakil, they did try to compromise on bin laden when it looked like an attack was imminent. before, they just thought it was a bluff.

[MostafaM]

did they attack and take revenge against their agents being killed? Did they have anyone in Kabul in their pocket.

No.

Because they are smarter than we are.

Then don´t need to send their army in if they can buy you.

And yes, Iran had shifted it´s strategic and military alliance from the Shia groups to the Northern Alliance.

They still promote the connection of a cultural axis between Tajikistan, Afghanistan and Iran.

Thought you know that already.

Now those same Taliban and Al Qaeda guys seek refuge in Iran and get weapons, intelligence and strategic back up.

That´s the way you make your enemy dance for you: by shifting alliances and keep ending at the winning side.

Iran taught us all a good lesson and Afghans are still dumb enough to think that by fighting to the last man we can achieve something.
It´s a good ISI-tactic to input that heroic feeling into Afghans and make them their stooges but it´s not in the interest of our country and people.

[MostafaM]

Atheist, Theist or Agnostic,

Iranian and Pakistani agents hold families and relatives of your Taliban commanders hostage in their garrisons so they don´t interact with the Afghan regime in Kabul.

I would say, supporting people who sell their namous to foreigners, means you have sold yours a long time ago.

Poor Madrassa Boy with no clue.

[khushal]

No.

Because they are smarter than we are.

Then don´t need to send their army in if they can buy you.

And yes, Iran had shifted it´s strategic and military alliance from the Shia groups to the Northern Alliance.

They still promote the connection of a cultural axis between Tajikistan, Afghanistan and Iran.

Thought you know that already.

Now those same Taliban and Al Qaeda guys seek refuge in Iran and get weapons, intelligence and strategic back up.

That´s the way you make your enemy dance for you: by shifting alliances and keep ending at the winning side.

Iran taught us all a good lesson and Afghans are still dumb enough to think that by fighting to the last man we can achieve something.
It´s a good ISI-tactic to input that heroic feeling into Afghans and make them their stooges but it´s not in the interest of our country and people.

They are smarter because because they know afghans. Even though afghans did not have the f22's, they still were prevented from attacking. The only reason they threatened to attack in the first place is because the ones they had in their pockets were driven out, the agents being killed was just an excuse.
They have kabul afghan officials in their pockets again.

Where is the proof that iran supports the taliban.

[khushal]

f22 raptors ?
not in 50 years.

i mean look at pakistan.
they have been americas bytch ever since the 50s and they still dont get the 22s and Afghansitan is not even a real bytch yet and you guys are asking for f22s.

keep dreaming boys

what are the f22's going to do, prevent kabul governmnet from being bought and sold to pakistan and iran and america. Look at pakistan, they have nuclear weapons, and america is still forcing them to bomb its own citizens.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

International law states that the occupier is responsible for the security of the ones being occupied. If they cant proved then get out. Let the people sort it out themselves through natural social evolution.

But according to the same people who wrote the international law; NATO is not occupying they're assisting an allied Government, the current one against a terrorist organization

Thus thiis argument holds no weight since Islam and Afghans do not accept international law as their canon. The moral burden of endangering Afghan lives is the Taliban.