Afghanistan major non-NATO U.S. ally?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The only people that you consider as factual are people that have never been to Afghanistan because they are like you who also has never been there.

Khostai lived in Afghanistan and was born and raised there. .....you can keep repeating some Bogus narrative over and over again ...but that's all you can do when you're stumped by counter evidence.

Two Pashtuns corroborating the same types of events independently; where as you're the only one mumbling your jargon .....sick burn.

[Afghanistan2010]

But not you.

[khushal]

khostai told me he has not been then since the age of 2 years old when he first joined the forum.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

khostai told me he has not been then since the age of 2 years old when he first joined the forum.

show proof.

[Toramana]

No brother, but you need to lay off the vodka.

Taliban didn't bring any of that, you are right. They couldn't because they need money and resources for economy, infrastructure, education, and institution building. They needed experience, and education which they also lacked. What they could do, was that they brought security, stability, gotten rid of corruption, warlords, and drug lords. For that you don't need experience, resources, money or education. For that you need character, you need ethics, you need morals, you need consistency.

Brother Resistance, doesn't that vindicate the point about Taleban that they were plain simpleton unaware of the complexity of the world in which they operated and of the consequences of a wrong strategic or political move---without any capacity and resourcefulness to govern (even reasonably efficiently if with capability at all to govern) and better the Afghan lot---not realizing that absolute freedom is just a utopia and that your own survival (and also of your people) depends on your ability to be flexible, to spot and exploit opportunities, and to neutralize threats through alliances----unable to understand the "interdependent nature" of international system and the hierarchical nature of the global-power distribution and the limitations and compulsion it imposes on weak groups----?

It is laughable that the so-called security of Taleban era is often quoted by their admirers without realizing that security has multiple meanings (economic, political, social, every kind, ....)and is not just the protection of one's life/honor by some self-designated protectors without any education, wisdom, skill, capacity, etc. to rule---

And what kind of security did they bring even if we define security in physical terms ----I bet most Afghans at that time felt extreme levels of insecurity of persecution at the hands of Taleban, of not finding enough to feed their children, etc....It was a security instilled through force, brutality, and fear----

Security comes with liberty, freedom, harmony, and opportunity not through fear and intimidation---

True, what Karzai or his administration is doing may be through foreign aid but would not you accept he is smart to exploit opportunities and to generate money to develop Afghans' capacity in terms of human resource to run institution, to counter external aggression, to tape Afghanistan's natural resources, etc.

Is not an common Afghan more secure today with better hope for tomorrow than he/she was during Taleb era?

[Khostai]

khostia has admitted that he has never been to afghanistan. He is so incompetent that he is not aware of his own tribes dialect. I was there and the majority of my cousins did not have beards and some did not pray at the mosque, they prayed at home. There was rampant murders in our village when the warlords were in control. When the Taliban came, there was one murder where a man killed his nephew and three Talban came, grabbed the man, had a trial, and executed him. That was the last murder in our village till this day. Murders in neighboring villages also stopped or was drastically reduced after them. Murders and other crimes have increased after NATO brought back the warlords. Warlords dont care about the common man or justice, they just care about making profit.
http://books.google.com/books?id=bv4...20rule&f=false

-_- Liar, even Kabulis where in favor of taliban in 1996, when everyone saw the atrocitys of the Mujhahids, peopel didn't care who would come to power, even if old commies would came to power Afghans would be happy, becuase peopel tought that taliban would breing peace and prosperity, but soon peopel realised what the Taliban were planing to do. But then it was to late they already controlled major citys.

And by the way, Afghans were also happy when NATO and US invaded Afghanistan, becuase they tought they will bring development and poverty will end. So your argumnet is buls.hit like always. But after a while Afghans realised that they had false hoope, but still it is much better now than under taliban.

Paktia is bordering whith Khost, so what you are telling is big lie, it can never be like what you are saing, its impossibel, and by the way if it was so great under taliban why did you run?
I bet you got your asylum status in the West becuase you told the western goverments how bad Talibans were -_-.
And now you are defending them.

[Khostai]

khostai told me he has not been then since the age of 2 years old when he first joined the forum.

NO, thats not true. I told you I was a chiled, but not 2 years, I was 9 years when I left Khost. And I traveled last summer to Afghanistan. I am planing to travell the other summer again.

[Admin Khan]

One might argue that this is a way for US to sell Afghanistan its used hardware which is presently active in Afghanistan.

[JattApache]

haha

man you guys are truelly on some other thing.

lets assume Afghanistan is our mother.

Admin jana why do you love to defend american interests?

Afghanistan getting f22 raptors from america is not in Afghan interest but american.since Afghanistan is our mother,whould you like our mother be stepped and stripped naked for another 100 years?

well since you staunchly want us to believe "they arent leaving anyway" and would like us to have fun with it,would legalising prostitution be good for economie?

Because he is just american.

[Admin Khan]

haha

Lawlz, haha, yeah let's laugh!

Admin jana why do you love to defend american interests?

Yeah boy, by suggesting AAF get an F22, along with a few F16's or Sukhov's, I'm defending American interests. Wooho, by asking Afghanistan to get a few deterrents, so regional powers can think twice before they dare to attack her, or invest more resources in being nuclear armed, I am defending American interests wooho, cowboy time!!!! Listen young grasshopper, before Pakistan whoops the butt of every single one of you Kunaris(like they are right now, I'm sure most of your villagers that were victims of that attack are homeless, or in worse conditions right now)I'm defending American interests(really?). I have never, and I mean never, seen someone as dumb as you. Please, for the sake of Allah, read carefully. Even the Taliban would love to have an F22, raptor, in their fleet since it's the most powerful air fighter in the world. Nations like Iran, or Pakistan, would think twice before they whoop your village to smokes(the way it's under construction right now, hundreds of families displaced).

People of Kunar are brave, but you are giving me a very begharat perspective. People of Kunar would love to be armed to protect themselves against aggressors(think rockets thrown by Pakistan). If AAF, had a few of those bad boys in their fleet, Iran would think twice before it threatens Afghanistan with an ARMED response, if Afghanistan STOPS the FREE FLOW of our WATER to them(look it up).

well since you staunchly want us to believe "they arent leaving anyway"

What I stated is a fact, I never said I LIKE IT, or I recommend it. Read GOE, go and ask your teacher to read it for you.

and would like us to have fun with it,would legalising prostitution be good for economie?

This statement alone shows the level of your literacy. Never did I suggest something as horrendous.


Bharati, you are a guest. Stay out of this one between me and GOE -- Go focus on the 500 million(about 20 times the Afghan population)that are looking for bones to chew on while me and him discuss this.

[KGODB]

i think it depends on the place you were, and who the local leaders were

in Kabul the distinction between the "old days" and the Taliban era wouldve been stark compared to the Pashtun countryside, where not much wouldve changed

I was in Afghanistan during the Taliban era, in the rural Pashtun village areas, and the Taliban presence wasnt really there. Its not like they roamed villages. They would show up when needed (if a dispute arose) but mostly everyone kinda..chilled?

[MostafaM]

...the so called regional powers do not have any significant military pressure on Afghanistan and neither are Afghans terrified from them....

Just this sentence made think if I should laugh or just cry.

I would like to remember one incident:
Iranian threat of a full-scale war in 1998 when Taliban had captured and killed 8 Iranian agents/diplomats in Masar.

The other stupid sentence was that Afghans are not afraid of military intervention.

Well, it may be true for Afghans residing in the west like you, overcompensating their complexes by cheerleading war and destruction while living in peace and prosperity.

But the ordinary Afghan man who has to take care of household, children and wife, is definitly scared of bombs, rockets and bullets fired his or his family´s way.

You must be really out of your mind to BS like this and to boost your own confidence by declaring yourself and your nation unattackable while your nation is massacred on a daily basis.

Don´t be scared.
I am not scared, too, because we live in freakin peace, boy.

I would to see you how you run for your life when a machine gun is aimed at you and 1200 bullets per minute make their ways towards you.

[khushal]

@shadowgovernor,
These people are educated yet they have not learned to think out of the box. Any weapon that America gives to the afghan nation or pakistan nation or saudi arabia etc is given to control their own people and preventing them from getting their "khak".

Forget pakistan, the afghan government in compliance with NATO itself is doing more harm to its own citizens than pakistan can ever do. Its actually telling pakistan "please bomb another afghan and pakistani pashtun village, we are sorry in advance, here's another billion for your trouble."

The problem in Afghanistan is corruption. All those in the government are sellouts to Iran, Pakistan, America. When they retire, they can live comfortable lives in the West or Dubai while the simple afghans suffer and are bombed by those weapons that are supposed to be used to defend against another nation that are also supplied with the same weapons by the same provider.

[khushal]

J
I would like to remember one incident:
Iranian threat of a full-scale war in 1998 when Taliban had captured and killed 8 Iranian agents/diplomats in Masar.
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did they attack and take revenge against their agents being killed? Did they have anyone in Kabul in their pocket.

[khushal]

i think it depends on the place you were, and who the local leaders were

in Kabul the distinction between the "old days" and the Taliban era wouldve been stark compared to the Pashtun countryside, where not much wouldve changed

I was in Afghanistan during the Taliban era, in the rural Pashtun village areas, and the Taliban presence wasnt really there. Its not like they roamed villages. They would show up when needed (if a dispute arose) but mostly everyone kinda..chilled?

The western afghan cant understand what your saying. they think afghansitan is like america or the UK where police and a court system are everywhere. They think that armed taliban were in every village keeping the people afraid. THey dont understand pashtunland.