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    http://www.policymic.com/articles/10...gh-for-the-u-s


    War With Iran: The Possibility is Extremely High For the U.S.




    Tension is continuing to mount between Iran and the United States. This week, as the two sides continue lower level talks, Iran has decided to show off its military might with missile exercises around the Strait of Hormuz and the Persian Gulf. At the same time, the U.S. has positioned more of its naval assets in the area in preparation for a potential military conflict.
    The posturing of both sides comes right as biting sanctions took effect against Iran on July 1st that bar any foreign entities from selling or buying fossil fuel-related goods and services, lest they be penalized by the United States. Iran is said to be feeling the crippling effects of these sanctions as the prices for certain baskets of goods are skyrocketing, some by more than 90%.
    Iran is again threatening to close the Strait of Hormuz, the vital waterway in which much of the world’s oil gets to market. The Iranian parliament has drafted a bill to take such action that so far has received 100 of 290 signatures. In response to this threat, a senior U.S. administration official warned Iran not to, stating that the U.S. would put Iran’s fast boats on “the bottom of the Gulf” if it tried to harass commercial shipping vessels or U.S. assets.
    The U.S. delegation is marred with political concerns in trying to establish a peaceful solution. Election year politics are weighing heavily, with the powerful Israel lobby watching the administration’s every move on the issue and the GOP lambasting the president for not being tougher. However, Iran poses an enormous military challenge that the U.S. is in no position to deal with at the moment. Iran knows this, which could explain their audacity in the face of sanctions and trying to call the United States’ bluff. Iran’s hands are also bound, but in a much harder way given its desperate economic situation and withering foreign and domestic support for its revolutionary ideals.
    The U.S. is pushing the Iranian regime into a corner, and if it does go down in the end, it will not go without a fight. This has never solely been about Iran’s nuclear program, but more about Iran’s potential for regional dominancy that the West cannot allow if it is to maintain its dominance alongside Israel in the region. Iran also understands this logic, which is why it continues to defy the West regardless of its actions, scrambles to maintain the Assad regime in Syria – a critical ally – and has been doing whatever it can to strengthen other state-to-state relationships.
    Once again, both sides are at an impasse, with Israel pushing the U.S. to favor a military response. So far, cooler heads have prevailed, and the Obama administration seems to be listening to its military officials who realize that a violent option would be a huge problem. If these latest talks do not amount to a resolution of some kind, the propensity for disaster will be higher than ever.

    Picture Credit: Inquisitor

  • #2
    I think this will be the start of a World War 3. All indications are that there will be a war with Iran.

    Iran war because Iran refuses to give up its nuclear enrichment, and that is the whole objection to Iran's nuclear program- the main reason why tensions exist.


    What are your thoughts? The most unlikeliest of alliances will form as always happens in regional wars/world wars.

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    • #3
      just bomb the filthy majoosi kafirs. The sooner the better.
      Originally posted by Firdousi
      Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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      • #4
        Worst case scenerio. The US will bomb its nuclear plants, but will not invade. Theyve learned occupation is too expensive. Iran's only leverage it to disrupt the oil flow from the strait of hormuz. The US is positioning itself to defend it just in case Iran tries it but I doubt they will. There will be some tough talk from the Iranians but no action.

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        • #5
          In World War 2 Russians, British, Americans allied and on the other side Germans, Japanese, and Italians allied.

          These were all unlikely alliances.

          So I am wondering in the case of a regional war, what the outcome will be?

          Who will side with who?

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          • #6




            Iran test-fires missiles – US moves new forces to Gulf – Iran, US flexing muscles in rising war of nerves

            IRAN: Members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard celebrate after launching a missile during a maneuver in an undisclosed location in Iran’s Kavir Desert. (Inset) An Iranian long-range Shahab-3 missile is launched during the exercises. – AP/AFP

            TEHRAN: Iran and the United States yesterday underlined their military readiness for conflict should faltering diplomacy over Tehran’s atomic activities fail, as tensions rose over tougher Western sanctions. Iran said it successfully fired several dozen missiles – including a medium-range Shahab-3 ballistic weapon with a range capable of striking Israel in war games in its central desert region designed to show its capacity for counter-attack. US officials, meanwhile, detailed a quiet US military build-up in the Gulf region that includes the deployment of warships and F-22 stealth fighter jets.
            The belligerent posturing came on the day technical experts from Iran and from world powers, including the United States, met in Istanbul in the latest round of talks. The negotiations have been downgraded from a senior political level after three previous rounds this year that failed to bridge vast differences held by each side. Iran refuses to bow to Western demands that it curb its sensitive uranium enrichment under the pressure of punishing economic sanctions that were ramped up last week to their most severe level so far.
            “The sanctions imposed against our country are the harshest and strongest ever imposed. If the enemies think they can weaken Iran with these sanctions, they are wrong,” Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying by the official IRNA news agency. Tehran is demanding its “right” to enrichment be recognised and the “hostile” sanctions be eased for the talks to progress. It rejects Western suspicions that it is seeking a nuclear weapons “break-out” capability.
            Iranian foreign ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast accused the Western nations in the so-called P5+1 group (comprising the United States, Britain, France, Russia and China, plus Germany) of dragging out the talks and perhaps wanting them to fail. “Many people are starting to conclude that maybe there are specific goals in dragging out the talks and preventing their success. One option is that perhaps there is a link with the US (presidential) election” in November, he said. “We hope Iran will seize the opportunity of this meeting to show a willingness to take concrete steps to urgently meet the concerns of the international community,” EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said ahead of the meeting.
            Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi, speaking on Monday to the ISNA news agency, said that, should the talks collapse, “the other alternative is confrontation”. Israel, which is not party to the talks, has warned it could launch pre-emptive air strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities to hinder what it sees as a threat by the Islamic republic to its existence. US President Barack Obama has also repeatedly said that “all options” – including that of US military action – are on the table regarding Iran.
            With that in mind, Iran yesterday test-fired missiles into its central desert region in war games dubbed “Grand Prophet 7″ and meant to simulate counter-attacks on US military bases in Afghanistan and other neighbouring countries, and possibly on Israel. “The message of these Grand Prophet 7 manoeuvres is to show the determination, the will and the power of the Iranian people in defending their national interests and vital values,” the number two of the elite Revolutionary Guards, General Hossein Salami, said, according to IRNA. “It’s a reaction to those who are politically discourteous to the Iranian people by saying ‘all options are on the table’,” he said.
            The launches included a Shahab-3 ballistic missile which has a maximum range of 2,000 km, enough to reach Israel, which is 1,000 km from Iran. The Fars news agency said “dozens” of different types of missiles were fired from different parts of Iran at a single target in the Kavir Desert. The target was a replica military base set up in the desert and made to look like a foreign facility, similar to those the United States has in neighbouring countries such as Afghanistan.
            “In these exercises, we used missiles with a range of 2,000 kilometres, but the plan called for them to be fired only 1,300 kilometres,” Fars quoted the head of the Guards aerospace division in charge of missile systems, Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh, as saying. Seven “attack drones” also destroyed targets representing “enemy forces from outside the region”, the official IRNA news agency reported. It added that two types of short-range anti-ship missiles were to be fired at targets off Iran’s southern coast. Iran repeated its claim to be reverse-engineering the sophisticated US RQ-170 drone that it says it brought down during a spying mission last year. “In this drone there are hundreds of technologies used, each of which are valuable to us in terms of operations, information and technicalities,” Hajizadeh was quoted by ISNA.
            The United States warned such tests were in violation of UN resolutions that ban Iran from any ballistic weapons activity. “This is not a positive development,” said State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland. “Iran has had these active missile development programs for two decades and has continued its development of advanced missile capabilities, including increasing longer-range systems. And these remain of acute concern,” she said.
            Some 120 lawmakers in Iran’s 290-seat parliament have also signed on to a draft bill calling for the strategic Strait of Hormuz at the entrance to the oil-rich Gulf to be closed to oil tankers headed to Europe in retaliation for an EU embargo on Iranian crude that came into effect on Sunday. Nuland insisted the Strait was an international waterway and all ships enjoy transit passage rights. “Any attempt by Iran to close the Strait or to require vessels to obtain Iranian consent would be inconsistent with international law and not recognised by the United States,” she told reporters. “We have over years and decades made clear that we intend to do what is necessary to maintain the openness of the Strait.”
            “It’s a gesture at this stage,” said independent British-based Iran analyst Reza Esfandiari. “They want to emphasise that Iran can make life difficult for Europe and America. I think this is more of an attempt to offset falling crude prices. Financial markets are very sensitive to such talk. A lot depends on nuclear talks,” said Esfandiari. “If there’s no progress and the initiative is deadlocked, then these kind of actions will intensify.”
            US officials responded to the announcement of the Iranian manoeuvres with comments to The New York Times newspaper stressing that Washington would view any attempt by Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz as a “red line” triggering a US military reaction. “The message to Iran is, ‘Don’t even think about it,’” the daily quoted a senior Defense Department official as saying on condition of anonymity. “Don’t even think about closing the strait. We’ll clear the mines. Don’t even think about sending your fast boats out to harass our vessels or commercial shipping. We’ll put them on the bottom of the Gulf.” The Navy has doubled the number of minesweepers in the region, to eight vessels, and stealthy F-22s and older F-15C warplanes have been deployed to regional bases to reinforce existing carrier strike groups, the Times said.
            Senior researcher Pieter Wezeman of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute said Iran’s missiles were still relatively inaccurate and of limited use in conventional warfare. With conventional warheads, “their only utility is as a tool of terror and no more than that”, he said by telephone. He added, however, that they could be suitable for carrying nuclear warheads, especially the larger ones. The International Institute for Strategic Studies, said in a 2010 report that all Tehran’s ballistic missiles were “inherently capable of a nuclear payload”, if Iran was able to make a small enough bomb. Wezeman said Iran had a large standing armed force, but that its weapons were generally outdated. “And those weapons only get older and older and they don’t have access to new technology because they are under a United Nations arms embargo.” – Agencies

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            • #7
              thats what the UN is for. it is an institution that will prevent the imperial powers from coming into conflict in the future.
              There will be no alliances, the US will bomb and thats it. The US might even get a third party to do it ie Israel just like they did with Iraq in 82.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by khushal View Post
                thats what the UN is for. it is an institution that will prevent the imperial powers from coming into conflict in the future.
                There will be no alliances, the US will bomb and thats it. The US might even get a third party to do it ie Israel just like they did with Iraq in 82.
                I disagree.

                If Iran is attacked by whoever, they will strike throughout the region. They have the means/capabilities to do so.

                I mean its illogical to think they wont do anything. If there nation will be bombarded to flames they will drag everyone else with them, and the respective interests.



                Had Iran not had the offensive/defensive capabilities that they have, then a war with Iran would have happened a long time ago. In fact, this is the reason North Korea explains why it pursues weapon technology religiously (famously said look what happened to Iraq).
                Last edited by Shah-i-Kot; 07-03-2012, 05:54 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                  just bomb the filthy majoosi kafirs. The sooner the better.
                  Whom do you refer to as Kafirs?

                  Shias in general or just their leadership?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by badmash_khel View Post
                    Whom do you refer to as Kafirs?

                    Shias in general or just their leadership?
                    The official stance of scholars of Ahlu Sunnah wal Jama'ah is that the common Shi'ites can be classified in various levels of ignorance or misguidance. However, their imams, the ones who propagate their falsehood, they are kafirs. People like Khananei, Ahmadinejad and other prominent figures in the shura of their scholars can be safely classified as kuffar because they advocate idol worship and all other sorts of munkar.
                    Originally posted by Firdousi
                    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                      The official stance of scholars of Ahlu Sunnah wal Jama'ah is that the common Shi'ites can be classified in various levels of ignorance or misguidance. However, their imams, the ones who propagate their falsehood, they are kafirs. People like Khananei, Ahmadinejad and other prominent figures in the shura of their scholars can be safely classified as kuffar because they advocate idol worship and all other sorts of munkar.
                      This really has nothing to do with Sunni-Shiite.

                      Iran is being focused on by many simply because it is an independent country which has a lot of oil, and due to that can change the global dynamics through various means with its dealings with China.

                      They could for instance like Saudi Arabia give up their nuclear ambitions and get on friendly terms with the West, but then they would no longer be independent.


                      In fact, I would say it is probably one of the most independent countries in the world along with the several Latin American nations.

                      Before this whole tensions started, Iran had begun trading its oil in currencies other than the dollar for the single purpose of moving away from the dollar. This is partly the reason why the West is so mad.

                      Iran and China do most if not all trade in the yen. Same for Iran-Russia.


                      Saudi Arabia and the rest of the GCC faithfully sell their oil in US dollars.
                      Last edited by Shah-i-Kot; 07-03-2012, 06:33 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by lynx View Post
                        This really has nothing to do with Sunni-Shiite.

                        Iran is being focused on by many simply because it is an independent country which has a lot of oil, and due to that can change the global dynamics through various means with its dealings with China.

                        They could for instance like Saudi Arabia give up their nuclear ambitions and get on friendly terms with the West, but then they would no longer be independent.


                        In fact, I would say it is probably one of the most independent countries in the world along with the several Latin American nations.
                        The Muslims are not benefiting from the wealth of Iran right now. And they certainly will not benefit if Iran falls and becomes and American colony like Afghanistan and Iraq.

                        But a bombardment of Qom will definately bring joy to Muslims, especially millions of Afghans who have been persecuted for the past 30 years in Shirkistan.
                        Originally posted by Firdousi
                        Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                          The official stance of scholars of Ahlu Sunnah wal Jama'ah is that the common Shi'ites can be classified in various levels of ignorance or misguidance. However, their imams, the ones who propagate their falsehood, they are kafirs. People like Khananei, Ahmadinejad and other prominent figures in the shura of their scholars can be safely classified as kuffar because they advocate idol worship and all other sorts of munkar.
                          I haven't seen anything from Khamenei or Ahmadinejad to indicated that they advocate idol worship as you cliam. Where is your proof? I agree that their imams are responsible for the misguidancde of the masses but still wouldn't dare calling them kafir.

                          If anyone who deserves to be bombed along with Iranian regime, its the al Saud family and other elites around the world. But as always civilians will be the main victims just like in Afghanistan.

                          Iran maybe responsible for some evil in the world but compared to big powers (Russia, US, China). It is a saint. At least Iran fights against Isreal and defends shias in Iraq.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by badmash_khel View Post
                            I haven't seen anything from Khamenei or Ahmadinejad to indicated that they advocate idol worship as you cliam.
                            Do you know what idol worship is according to Quran? If you did, you would have been able to name at least a dozen forms of idol worship clearly evident in Irans government.
                            Originally posted by Firdousi
                            Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by shadowgoverner
                              lol

                              Iran helped america invade afghanistan and Iraq.
                              from all these mouth fights Iran has only gained recognition and political power in the muslim world.
                              btw Isran also supports the massacre of Syrians.

                              case closed
                              Case closed
                              It is pointless to talk sense to this guy. As long as he is ignorant of what is shirk and what is tawhid, there is no point in schooling him about politics and current affairs as the knowledge which is nessesary knowledge for everyone is unknown to him.
                              Originally posted by Firdousi
                              Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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