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  • #181
    Source: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?id=1704

    Sorry brothers and sisters i had to post a long post...because it will be easy for you people to compare then.The source is authentic....from ibne khateer.U guys can ask any alim...
    Last edited by pashtun_rise; 06-26-2012, 03:53 PM.

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    • #182
      Originally posted by Arooj Khan View Post
      Da pashtu matal bandy de poha na shom ,kha ba ye che pa pakhto script k ye oleky no bia ba jawab der kum


      a hindu pray to a cow, but the dajjal prays to the black bearded Mullah .....in this case the Black bearded Mullah is Pakistan , who pretends to be Islamic, just like a mullah , only pretends to be Muslim but inside very different. This is the condition of Pakistan.

      I don't have Pashto font, so I'll just translate it for you.
      [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

      2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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      • #183
        Originally posted by pashtun_rise View Post
        Source: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?id=1704

        Sorry brothers and sisters i had to post a long post...because it will be easy for you people to compare then.The source is authentic....from ibne khateer.U guys can ask any alim...

        Ibn Kathir is just giving commentary of various things that will happen; he does not say this will happen in a certain pattern or that Mahdi's Army will be Pashtuns LOL
        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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        • #184
          Originally posted by haviZsultan View Post
          Plus I have told Arooj and Faye about my background. Why would I tell you revolution?

          Is it going to make my life better or you and your fellow bully Afghans going to make my life harder? Revolution believe me whatever my views I have only the best for Pashtuns in mind.

          Where some of these people are leading Pashtuns is on a very wrong path which can bring only destruction. Despite biases and discrimination from the urdu speakers and punjabis the Pashtuns have worked hard and built their position. If they become known as traitors everything will come falling on their heads the position loyal Pashtuns have built with their toil and sweat will be destroyed.

          Pashtuns have struggled and made a name. Why should they not be loyal to Quaid E Azam when he led them to freedom from the British when no Afghan leader could do the same?

          Even if lets say my background as a Pashtun is weak or I am not raised as proper Pashtun. Isn't it a good thing an outsider took interest in Pashtun culture and fell in love with it so much to call himself a Pashtun? He studied Pashtun history and culture and this is what he gets in return.

          Don't smear the reputation of the Afghan in dirt more than it already is in my eyes. You guys have been insulting Pakistan left and right. Now when someone comes up to stand up to you cyber bullies you clearly have to discredit him.
          Haviz, what are you talking about? There are many Pashtun/Afghan leaders who fought for their own freedom against the British. Many were not pro-Pakistan. In fact the few that were, were not freedom fighters, but had collaborated with the British on many levels and were party members of Muslim League (like the Congress, a british creation). Look you can decieve Arooj Khan, or pashtun rise, but some of us actually went through the Pakistani school system and have heard the hocus pocus history before. You are basically trying to use some half-hearted facts, rhetoric to create some new pashtun identity (ironically you haven't even told us whether or not you are Pashtun). Now come out with it and be straight forward.

          P.S. this feroz guy who joined the army, I don't know his circumstances, but what respect should he deserve? Many Pashtuns have suffered because of this army. I know Pashtuns in Pashtunkhwa who dislike the pakistani army. Politically they can't do anything to them, because they run the state. Many Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns, IDP tribals went to Afghanistan during the harsh fighting between talibs and Pakistan. They were treated far better than swatiyaan, and buneri were when they went to sindh or panjab.
          http://i29.tinypic.com/2a6j8jm.gif

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          • #185
            Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
            Ibn Kathir is just giving commentary of various things that will happen; he does not say this will happen in a certain pattern or that Mahdi's Army will be Pashtuns LOL


            First of all READ...SEARCH and THEN COMMENT.I am tired of correcting your islamic belief system...people ll analyze...lets say what PF members say about this...right? Atleast it ll aslo help them to understand islamic knowledge as well...esp regarding al mehdi....you think arabs or turks were superior? Allah never choses arab or turk nation always as an army of Allah...Allah choses the people HE thinks are best for ummah.He knows best...not us humans...try to pay heed to ahadiths.Banu ummayads' descendents are supposed to be in dajjal's army....najdis.

            Saud royal family are already showing their true colours since they are banu umayyads...banu tamim tribe.They indoctrinated millions of afghans (taliban and pakis)...with their so called theory of jehad...while in past those were the ones who sold jeruselum to jews..Atleast jews were not that bad as what the king of jordan and Al_saud did to palestenians.They are now also responsible for arab revolts...do you cover for sauds too? Whose links with isi,cia etc are known world wide.Going to sleep...see you with further of your false theories...

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            • #186
              best part is 3.25 onwards, listen carefully


              Musharaf & Usman Bangash New Pashto Song Pukhtoon Ma Warta Waya 2012.with nice editing - YouTube
              Last edited by Manzareh; 06-26-2012, 04:19 PM.
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              *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

              Originally posted by Karachi
              like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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              • #187
                hold on the mahdi has already come and gone? so were is he buried?
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                *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

                Originally posted by Karachi
                like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                • #188
                  Originally posted by pashtun_rise View Post
                  First of all READ...SEARCH and THEN COMMENT.I am tired of correcting your islamic belief system...people ll analyze...lets say what PF members say about this...right? Atleast it ll aslo help them to understand islamic knowledge as well...esp regarding al mehdi....you think arabs or turks were superior? Allah never choses arab or turk nation always as an army of Allah...Allah choses the people HE thinks are best for ummah.He knows best...not us humans...try to pay heed to ahadiths.Banu ummayads' descendents are supposed to be in dajjal's army....najdis.

                  Saud royal family are already showing their true colours since they are banu umayyads...banu tamim tribe.They indoctrinated millions of afghans (taliban and pakis)...with their so called theory of jehad...while in past those were the ones who sold jeruselum to jews..Atleast jews were not that bad as what the king of jordan and Al_saud did to palestenians.They are now also responsible for arab revolts...do you cover for sauds too? Whose links with isi,cia etc are known world wide.Going to sleep...see you with further of your false theories...

                  You don't have to correct me , correct yourself and when you read something use analytical and critical thinking. Don't just read and sentence and jump in your seat and think you found the truth, analyze, examine ..compare it with historical research.

                  Al-Saud are not Bani Ummayad, they're from another clan, Banu Ummayad are actually now mainly in Syria, Egypt and Morocco. Al Saud are just foolish people.
                  [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                  2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                  • #189
                    Originally posted by Manzareh View Post
                    hold on the mahdi has already come and gone? so were is he buried?
                    probably in Baghdad since he was situated there.
                    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                    • #190
                      Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View Post
                      Haviz, what are you talking about? There are many Pashtun/Afghan leaders who fought for their own freedom against the British. Many were not pro-Pakistan. In fact the few that were, were not freedom fighters, but had collaborated with the British on many levels and were party members of Muslim League (like the Congress, a british creation). Look you can decieve Arooj Khan, or pashtun rise, but some of us actually went through the Pakistani school system and have heard the hocus pocus history before. You are basically trying to use some half-hearted facts, rhetoric to create some new pashtun identity (ironically you haven't even told us whether or not you are Pashtun). Now come out with it and be straight forward.

                      P.S. this feroz guy who joined the army, I don't know his circumstances, but what respect should he deserve? Many Pashtuns have suffered because of this army. I know Pashtuns in Pashtunkhwa who dislike the pakistani army. Politically they can't do anything to them, because they run the state. Many Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns, IDP tribals went to Afghanistan during the harsh fighting between talibs and Pakistan. They were treated far better than swatiyaan, and buneri were when they went to sindh or panjab.
                      That is one reason I feel uncomfortable with Indics (I mean Indian or Subcontinental Muslims, a category of Muslims that includes all ethnic shades east of Indus) of Pakistan. Somehow, their cultural/ethnic development has deprived them of the capacity and moral/national character and nobility to stand up for who they are. Somehow, conversion to Islam has robbed them of their sense of history and left them utterly confused in terms of cultural pride and identity.

                      I am pretty sure the few broken Pashto sentences that hvZSultan writes on this board to make his Pashtun identity authentic he sends to Arooj Khan (that impressionist young lady) for editing before posting (or conversely Arooj Khan may be sending him some Pashto sentences to include in his posts to sound authentic). An outsider is coming here to tell us who we are without realizing how awkward it looks.

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                      • #191
                        Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                        That is one reason I feel uncomfortable with Indics (I mean Indian or Subcontinental Muslims, a category of Muslims that includes all ethnic shades east of Indus) of Pakistan. Somehow, their cultural/ethnic development has deprived them of the capacity and moral/national character and nobility to stand up for who they are. Somehow, conversion to Islam has robbed them of their sense of history and left them utterly confused in terms of cultural pride and identity.

                        I am pretty sure the few broken Pashto sentences that hvZSultan writes on this board to make his Pashtun identity authentic he sends to Arooj Khan (that impressionist young lady) for editing before posting (or conversely Arooj Khan may be sending him some Pashto sentences to include in his posts to sound authentic). An outsider is coming here to tell us who we are without realizing how awkward it looks.
                        such a mean point by a mean person !!!!!
                        well we both don't care about that and the administators are requsted to give the proof of my inbox that
                        we didn't exchange such nonsense (lomri ki chalaki dikhany ke nakam koshish ki or khud ko gadha sabit ker dia )
                        waisy tum jaisy shakhs se yahi tawaqo rakhi ja sakti he . Havi doesn't need a lady to depend on . tum jaison k ley wo akela
                        hi kafi he hahaha
                        an outsider????? its something like that a man is slaughtering his own brother in his house and when an "outsider "
                        is trying to fend him then he says don't interfere let me slaughter him my best way .got my point??? he is a true PAKISTANI
                        not a traitor like you .

                        If you want to kill somebody conquer his heart, then leave slowly and leave them between " Death and Madness"... !

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                        • #192
                          Originally posted by Arooj Khan View Post
                          such a mean point by a mean person !!!!!
                          well we both don't care about that and the administators are requsted to give the proof of my inbox that
                          we didn't exchange such nonsense (lomri ki chalaki dikhany ke nakam koshish ki or khud ko gadha sabit ker dia )
                          waisy tum jaisy shakhs se yahi tawaqo rakhi ja sakti he . Havi doesn't need a lady to depend on . tum jaison k ley wo akela
                          hi kafi he hahaha
                          an outsider????? its something like that a man is slaughtering his own brother in his house and when an "outsider "
                          is trying to fend him then he says don't interfere let me slaughter him my best way .got my point??? he is a true PAKISTANI
                          not a traitor like you .
                          Arooj, just because members of Pashtunkhwa(which are in majority here)disapprove of the Banana republic; and have developed analytical skills to recognize the hypocrisy of the state, doesn't mean they are a "traitor". Think about it a bit more deeply.

                          Thinking outside the box, especially after being brainwashed in Pak studies for a decade, is really tough. Don't get emotional, think a bit more critically.
                          Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                          A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                          For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                          The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                          -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                          • #193
                            Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                            That is one reason I feel uncomfortable with Indics (I mean Indian or Subcontinental Muslims, a category of Muslims that includes all ethnic shades east of Indus) of Pakistan. Somehow, their cultural/ethnic development has deprived them of the capacity and moral/national character and nobility to stand up for who they are. Somehow, conversion to Islam has robbed them of their sense of history and left them utterly confused in terms of cultural pride and identity.

                            I am pretty sure the few broken Pashto sentences that hvZSultan writes on this board to make his Pashtun identity authentic he sends to Arooj Khan (that impressionist young lady) for editing before posting (or conversely Arooj Khan may be sending him some Pashto sentences to include in his posts to sound authentic). An outsider is coming here to tell us who we are without realizing how awkward it looks.
                            Havi is suffering from a traumatizing psychological disorder, which is one of the reasons behind his outbursts. No matter how many times you debunk what he says, disprove him, refute his diatribes; the next few posts will have the same contents and we are back with the circular argument where facts are created from thin air just to support his emotional rants. His goal is to provide a balance of the so called "Pakistani" Pashtun, but little does he realize nearly all the members that are refuting and debunking him are from Pakistan. I guess that's the sweet irony?
                            Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                            A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                            For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                            The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                            -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                            • #194
                              "Iam AfGhAn" Patriotic Song - YouTube

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                              • #195
                                Originally posted by Arooj Khan View Post
                                O hello bharti babu who the hell are you to debate on pashtun ethnicity or unity ???? aren't you from the state who kept brainwashing the people of east pakistan(bangladesh) against the pk's government and then the honourable lady prime minister said " bangladesh ka parcham buland hoty hi pakistan ka do qoomi nazeriya samander burad ho gia" . Now you are playing the same game here you want the gallant pashtuns of KPK to join afghanistan and to leave Pakistan ,for your merciless clutches (God forbids) its not the love of afghan or pashtun ethnicity you are debating on its just the enmity of BRAVE PAKISTANIS that you are going crazy but likewise past "Pakistan hamesha tumhary ley lohey ka chana sabit hu ga ,jisay nigla nhi ja sakta albata halak mei atak kar phans zaroor jata he "

                                Back off plz its our personel and internal matter so plz dont prove yourself to be " cherty suraj ka pujari " bcoz u know majority
                                of the people here are in favour of afghan ideology . We pashtuns are better able to discuss our matters .Better to stay in your limits well if you are very fond of debates then its better to defend your own country .
                                You're a hypocrite.

                                It was the choice of the MAJORITY of the bangladeshis to be independant, and no India never brainwashed them, but the pakistani gvt ( dominated by the punjabis ) imposed them the urdu language, a language different, the bengali have their own script etc....
                                There was soooo many obvious reasons for their independance ( geographical position and domination of west pakistan upon them ), today the bengalis are proud to not be pakistanis ( see the situation of pakistan today )


                                Oh and i don't give a sh*** , i can give my opinion abt pakistanis or pashtuns, it's not forbidden for me to give an opinion ( thank's to this forum )

                                I can give my opinion about india and indian problems in an INDIAN forum.

                                THIS IS a PASHTUN forum, I write and give my opinion about PASHTUNS ( So pakistan and afghanistan ) .
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