What do Pakistani Pashtuns mean when they say Lar aw bar yaw Pakhtun

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I won't say anything on Haviz behalf he is enough for you with his strong arguments . But i'm really glad to know that this hatred is making you sick with the passing time and will send you to damnation INSHALLAHH btw just kidding but my brother you better know that LOVE BEGETS LOVE AND HATRED BEGETS ________ " i bet you will get the same things in return ...........

Arooj, you have the wool over your eyes and blinded by irrationality; Anyone who sits and reads Havi's posts can identify the logical inconsistencies in his position.

If he represents Pakistani nationals, how can that encourage love? do crooks, cheats and frauds earn love from their lecherousness tactics?

[pashtun_rise]

QUOTE=RevolutionThroughReason;620905]What merciless clutches, you mean the same merciless clutches of Al-Badar and Al-Shams Pakistani Paramilitary raping Bangladeshi Muslim women in scores and slaughtered over a million Bangladeshis ruthlessly? Does it really take Indian brainwashing to convince Bangladesh who their enemies are? And don't think that Pakistan wouldn't try the same on Pashtunkhwah.[/QUOTE]


[...you smoking hellfire again? I mean why dont you tell us what actually is in your thinking to believe that paki lar or bar pashtuns are not one? Apparently you are secular...in islam u appear to support wahhabi theories and deep in your heart ...u hate paki pashtuns and love indians....what kind of pashtun you would be to be so contradictory? M wondering?

[haviZsultan]

I won't say anything on Haviz behalf he is enough for you with his strong arguments . But i'm really glad to know that this hatred is making you sick with the passing time and will send you to damnation INSHALLAHH btw just kidding but my brother you better know that LOVE BEGETS LOVE AND HATRED BEGETS ________ " i bet you will get the same things in return ...........

Plus I have told Arooj and Faye about my background. Why would I tell you revolution?

Is it going to make my life better or you and your fellow bully Afghans going to make my life harder? Revolution believe me whatever my views I have only the best for Pashtuns in mind.

Where some of these people are leading Pashtuns is on a very wrong path which can bring only destruction. Despite biases and discrimination from the urdu speakers and punjabis the Pashtuns have worked hard and built their position. If they become known as traitors everything will come falling on their heads the position loyal Pashtuns have built with their toil and sweat will be destroyed.

Pashtuns have struggled and made a name. Why should they not be loyal to Quaid E Azam when he led them to freedom from the British when no Afghan leader could do the same?

Even if lets say my background as a Pashtun is weak or I am not raised as proper Pashtun. Isn't it a good thing an outsider took interest in Pashtun culture and fell in love with it so much to call himself a Pashtun? He studied Pashtun history and culture and this is what he gets in return.

Don't smear the reputation of the Afghan in dirt more than it already is in my eyes. You guys have been insulting Pakistan left and right. Now when someone comes up to stand up to you cyber bullies you clearly have to discredit him.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

Sure afghans are always welcome...u ll be surprised to know that many afghans are in karachi,punjab etc..they are getting education and having any facility....just like any other paki...pakis in general love pashtuns...ofcourse things are critical in pak today...but this is global...inshAllah jesus pbuh and mehdi ll come and lead muslim ummah...and will punish najdis (wahhabis)...

I have lived for about 13 years in various parts of Pakistan and I went to school there. I have many relatives in Karachi, Peshawar, Quetta and parts of FATA.
I am even a holder of the NIC, along with most other members of my direct family.

It's only the government/army that are tools of the devil.

[pashtun_rise]

Revolution is right in this case about the prophecies. Those are indeed from weaker collections of ahadith.

The stronger ones are referring to the Khilafa Abbasiyyah with ruled during the golden age of Islam from Baghdad for 500 years and for 800 years nominally until the Ottoman Turks gained the Khilafah.

The reason for them speaking about an Al-Mahdi from Khorasan was because the Khilafa Abbasiyyah had a different approach when spreading Islam. During the shortlived Khilafa Umayyah the all-dominant force were Arabs and for a while the Khilafa Ummayah was accused for restricting Islam to Arabs only while the Khilafa Abbasiyyah were much more keen to implement non-Arabs in general. Especially because of the contribution of the "Eastern people" such as Iranians. They played a big role in making the Golden Age of Islam possible.

And what are the associated signs? Where is jesus pbuh? Mehdi is supposed to lead prayers with jesus pbuh....

[RevolutionThroughReason]

[...you smoking hellfire again? I mean why dont you tell us what actually is in your thinking to believe that paki lar or bar pashtuns are not one? Apparently you are secular...in islam u appear to support wahhabi theories and deep in your heart ...u hate paki pashtuns and love indians....what kind of pashtun you would be to be so contradictory? M wondering?

How can you be secular and wahhabi? You make no sense ...you're just grabbing whatever term you can find


The contradiction is in your brain, you're very confused.

I don't hate Paki Pashtuns, I just think they should stay with Pakistan, we no longer have any political association with them. I don't "love" Indians, I just think Indians are more advanced, intelligent, and progressive people who we can learn from more so than we can learn from Pakistan. Pakistan is sadly a mess. Pakistan has systematically raped other Muslims, as a political and institutional sanction. There's no way that can be Islamic or justified by Islam.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

Even if lets say my background as a Pashtun is weak or I am not raised as proper Pashtun. Isn't it a good thing an outsider took interest in Pashtun culture and fell in love with it so much to call himself a Pashtun? He studied Pashtun history and culture and this is what he gets in return.

Given our history, we are not very trustful of Pardesi people intervening in our matters.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

And what are the associated signs? Where is jesus pbuh? Mehdi is supposed to lead prayers with jesus pbuh....

Those are two different ahadith; the books you're reading that make assumptions about Mahdi and Jesus.

[haviZsultan]

Afghans have no rights over Punjab, Sindh, Kashmir, etc.
But Pashtunkhwa/FATA and Baluchistan will always be our home too.

Of course. Pakistani Pashtuns have always welcomed Afghans... Its just that the favor has not been returned. If thats your land then so is Afghanistan ours but the moment we step into Afghanistan we are met with hostility

I talked to an old friend named Feroz who I contacted for an interview that will dispel the Pashtunistan and Greater Afghanistan crap that comes from Afghans. He's a soldier in the Pakistan but also a Pashtun. Afghans treated him so badly recently when he went on a trip to the country that he had to control every nerve not to shout back at them. They told him to go back and they wanted nothing to do with Pakistan. At least they should have respected him as a Pashtun.

Maybe they treated him that way because he was from the army... but the point is even though Pakistan accepted millions of Afghan refugees who burdened its economy Afghans never came to the rescue of Pakistani Pashtuns which is exactly why the consider themselves by all means Pakistani.

[pashtun_rise]

Those are two different ahadith; the books you're reading that make assumptions about Mahdi and Jesus.

Then give the source like i have given you the source...

[RevolutionThroughReason]

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Even if lets say my background as a Pashtun is weak or I am not raised as proper Pashtun. Isn't it a good thing an outsider took interest in Pashtun culture and fell in love with it so much to call himself a Pashtun? He studied Pashtun history and culture and this is what he gets in return.

No it's not ; stay out , KEEP OUT unless we ASK for your help like we do from India.

Actually now you have convinced me more than ever that we not only need a diplomatic relationship with India but a complete bilateral military partnership with India to make sure Pakistan is kept in check.

We saw what you did with Bangladesh, you have no credibility.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Then give the source like i have given you the source...

Your source is my source; go back and read it, it doesn't actually show the hadith, it gives commentaries on separate hadith.

have you actually read your links/sources?

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

Of course. Pakistani Pashtuns have always welcomed Afghans... Its just that the favor has not been returned. If thats your land then so is Afghanistan ours but the moment we step into Afghanistan we are met with hostility

I talked to an old friend named Feroz who I contacted for an interview that will dispel the Pashtunistan and Greater Afghanistan crap that comes from Afghans. He's a soldier in the Pakistan but also a Pashtun. Afghans treated him so badly recently when he went on a trip to the country that he had to control every nerve not to shout back at them. They told him to go back and they wanted nothing to do with Pakistan. At least they should have respected him as a Pashtun.

Maybe they treated him that way because he was from the army... but the point is even though Pakistan accepted millions of Afghan refugees who burdened its economy Afghans never came to the rescue of Pakistani Pashtuns which is exactly why the consider themselves by all means Pakistani.

If ordinary Pashtuns from Pakistan come to Afghanistan, they should not be met with hostility from Pashtuns atleast.

Well, obviously, he is a soldier.
Most if not all Afghans hate the Pakistani fauj regardless of whether the soldiers are Punjabi, Baloch or Pashtun.

How can Afghans come to your rescue? Look at us. Anyway, If you are ever drowning in the ocean and need help, I give you my word that I will "rescue" you.

[pashtun_rise]

Revolution is right in this case about the prophecies. Those are indeed from weaker collections of ahadith.

The stronger ones are referring to the Khilafa Abbasiyyah with ruled during the golden age of Islam from Baghdad for 500 years and for 800 years nominally until the Ottoman Turks gained the Khilafah.

The reason for them speaking about an Al-Mahdi from Khorasan was because the Khilafa Abbasiyyah had a different approach when spreading Islam. During the shortlived Khilafa Umayyah the all-dominant force were Arabs and for a while the Khilafa Ummayah was accused for restricting Islam to Arabs only while the Khilafa Abbasiyyah were much more keen to implement non-Arabs in general. Especially because of the contribution of the "Eastern people" such as Iranians. They played a big role in making the Golden Age of Islam possible.

The hadith is related on the authority of Thawban that Prophet Muhammad (saw) said: “If you see the black banners coming from the direction of Khurasân, then go to them, even if you have to crawl, because among them will be Allah’s Caliph the Mahdî.” [Related by al-Hâkim (8572) and Ahmad (22387)]

All the chains of transmission for this hadîth are relatively weak.

The khilafa abbasiyya used this hadith to support their claim that the Mahdi is from the family of al-Abbas and that the Mahdî is from of the Abbasid dynasty. There were also Abbasid Caliphs who went by the name al-Mahdi. The banners of the Khilafa Abbasiyya were also black. Coincidence?


Hakim narrated and said it's sahih:

أخبرنا الحسين بن يعقوب بن يوسف العدل ثنا يحيى بن أبي طالب ثنا عبد الوهاب بن عطاء أنبأ خالد الحذاء عن أبي قلابة عن أبي أسماء عن ثوبان رضى الله تعالى عنه قال إذا رأيتم الرايات السود خرجت من قبل خراسان فأتوها ولو حبوا فإن فيها خليفة الله المهدي هذا حديث صحيح على شرط الشيخين ولم يخرجاه


Salman al-Oadah ) said: "All the chains of transmission for this hadith are weak and inauthentic".
Sheikhana Al-Albani in "Daif al-jami" (#506) said weak, and said rejected (munkar) in "Tahrij mishkat al-masabih" #5389.
Sheikh Shuayb Arnawut said chain is weak regarding way of transmission in "Musnad" of imam Ahmad (#22441).

Allahu A'lam.

The Arabs will be very less at at the time of Imam Mahdi
A very small number of Arabs will be there at the time of the Jihad against the Jewish King DAJJAL as told in the following hadith


Umm Sharik reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (Salallaho alayhay wa sallam) as saying: The people would run away from the Dajjal seeking shelter in the mountains. She said: Where would be the Arabs then in that day? He said: They would be very few. Reference : Saheeh Muslim Book 041, Number 7035
حدثني هارون بن عبد الله حدثنا حجاج بن محمد قال قال ابن جريج حدثني أبو الزبير أنه سمع جابر بن عبد الله يقول أخبرتني أم شريك
أنها سمعت النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول ليفرن الناس من الدجال في الجبال قالت أم شريك يا رسول الله فأين العرب يومئذ قال هم قليل
صحيح مسلم
Mahdi’s army will consist majority of Bani Isaaq or Bani Israel (Also only Bani Isaaq will fight the final war with the Christians i.e The Armageddon)



Now who are these Muslims who have fought this Armegeddon with the Christians and then conquered Constantinople???

The folowing Hadith will clear this question as it clearly tells that these Muslims are from the BANI ISHAQ only.

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Apostle (may peace he upon him) saying: You have heard about a city the one side of which is in the land and the other is in the sea (Constantinople). They said: Allall's Messenger, yes. Therer upon he said: The Last Hour would not come unlesss seventy thousand[1] persons from Bani lshaq would attack it. When they would land there, they will neither fight with weapons nor would shower arrows but would only say:" There is no god but Allah and Allah is the Greatest," that one side of it would fall. Thaur (one of the narrators) said: I think that he said: The part by the side of the ocean. Then they would say for the second time:" There is no god but Allah and Allah is the Greatest" that the second side would also fall, and they would say:" There is no god but Allah and Allah is the Greatest," that the gates would be opened for them and they would enter therein and, they would be collecting spoils of war and distributing them amongst themselves that a noise would be heard and It would be said: Verily, Dajjal has come. And thus they would leave everything there and would turn to him.* Reference Book 041, Number 6979: Saheh Muslim


Also the following hadith again clearly tells that very less number of Arabs will be present to fight Dajjal(they wont be present to fight the Armageddon with the Christians
3-Umm Sharik reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The people would run away from the Dajjal seeking shelter in the mountains. She said: Where would be the Arabs then in that day? He said: They would be small in number.( Reference : Saheeh Muslim Book 041, Number 7035)


Dear Prophet(Salallaho alayhay wa alay he wa sallam) said that from the East once the Childern of Abbas will come out with black flags and will stay as long Allah subhanahu wa ta-ala wills and then small black flags will appear who will fight with the off spring of Abu Sufyan and their partners and they will obey (Imam )Mahdi Reference: Al-Hawi 69/2

The Islamic Army of the EAST will not be supported by the Arabs
Narrated by Hazrat Abdullah Bin Masood(raddi Allah anho) that Dear Propher (salallaho alayhay wa sallam) said: A Nation will come from the East with Black Flags and they will ask for some “Khair” (because of them being needy) but the people will not give them,then,they will fight and win over those people(who didn’t give them what they asked).Now the people will give them what they asked for but they will not accept it untill they will hand it over to a person from my progeny who will fill this earth with Justice just as it was previoulsy filled with opression and tyranny .So if anyone of you find this Nation( i. e from the East with black flags) then you must joing them even if you have to crawl over ice.*Reeference Al-Asha-


The list goes on...At times of abbasyd khilafa...arabs were in large numbers...where as hadiths say...they would be less in number..The black fllag army will ask for Khair...did abbayd khilafa do that? Where were khasaf at that time esp pf arabian peninsula? The list is more...but i ll give you the authenticity tomorrow inshAllah....with every hadith.

[pashtun_rise]

Your source is my source; go back and read it, it doesn't actually show the hadith, it gives commentaries on separate hadith.

have you actually read your links/sources?

Where it says there are commentaires lier? Take some sprite more...and try to look at alims fatawa as fatawas not commentries...