To havisultan and Pakistani members co

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Why is he a baba e qaam? Because in textbooks people were taught this? What makes Pakistan a nation? Two boundaries drawn by Britain? Was there a pakistani nation prior to 1947? What are its parameters?
he is babe qoum because he united the muslims , he stood for the muslims of british india and worked hard and didnt even care abt his health and created a country in the name of islam by fighting against gandhi and britishers. he gave us this land on which we speak freely , on which we eat freely, this land is cool for us except for some peopel like luffy who live , eat there but speak for abdul kalam.
paksitan is a nation on the basis of brotherhood and religion and due to the struggle which all these ethinic groups in pakistan carried out simultaneously. all these ethnic groups had to face the ssame harsh difficulties under british rule but they kept their hands intact and finally they were succesfull in making pakistan.
its not the boundary drawn by britishers . its the boundary that was iour fate. kashmir wanted to to join pakistan but it wasnt its fate so india captured kashmir. same was with junagadh, and some oher states. this boundary was the boundary which was a gift to the muslims by allah for struggling togethar and dying for each other, there was no such thng as hatred on the basis of ethnicities in that time in this region. there wree bigger problems than these to be worrid about
well paksitan name is just 60 years old but it was also though by sirsyed ahmad khan who said that muslims have seperate identity and they should have seprate homeland. pakistan is the abbreviation of all the provinces of pakistan. even sheikh ahmad sirhindi and shah wali ullah gave the idea of seperate muslim state. i hope that this would ansewer ur questions to some extent

Lol about uniting muslims, may I show you
'You will find that in the course of time, Hindus will cease to be Hindus and Muslims will cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the state.’
^^this is clearly contrary to unity of muslims, even within the context of India...in fact he made such ideas redundant.
Regarding the borders, well read up on colonialism and durand line, as well as the Radcliff commission.
Shah Walliullah didn't give such ideas, please don't fabricate things.

[Soldat_Amir]

Toramana and HaviSultan both support the NATO war and Pakistan support for it. One is dishonest and tries to disguise it, the other, Havi simply is honest about it. Toramana calls the Afghan insurgency made up of "Pak and Arab terrorist, and Havi simply makes it clear he is opposed to "Islamic extremists."


These two having an argument is like someone trying to put a fire out with fire.

This is where the retardation starts to kick in.

How many times have NATO killed Pakistani soldiers who were helping the Taliban?

Secondly I would like to add how come Pakistan army has made peace deals with Anti-NATO jihadis such as Mullah Nazir and Gul Badahur.

Why does this forum attract such people with no real knowledge of ground realities.

Go on answer me, if Mullah Nazir and Gul Badahur are the main groups who send fighters to attack NATO and ANA forces why do they keep a peace deal with the Pakistani army and government????????????????????????????

[Soldat_Amir]

the fact that you guys somehow equate the idea of pakistan to near idol worship of jinnah is laughable. the guy couldn't even control his own daughter, do you think he would of had much luck with pakistan if he hadn't died so soon?

Randolph at times I agree with Pro Pakistani Pakhtuns even though I regret in saying this but why do some Afghans always use peoples wives, females and daughters as part of their stupid insults.

Your telling me every Afghan women is a innocent gem in Afghanistan even though most of them burn themselves to death just to escape the way they are treated.

Shame on you.

[Soldat_Amir]

Let me give my view on this.

First of all, lets be fair there, no Afghan king took the pleasure is assisting us to fight for freedom, even Hitler and the Nazi regime offered King Zahir Shah assistance, and help in getting NWFP and Karachi port at the time back but the King refused and remained neutral secondly when Afghanistan woke up from its Durrani empire day dreams, they were rejected by America for assistance and military aid, America refused on the grounds that giving modern weapons to the Afghan army would be used against Pakistan, Pakistan was an ally of America at the time, right, then that forced a Loya Jirga to request help from the Soviet Union hence the reason why Afghans became allies of USSR.

During the Pak-Indo wars, Afghanistan remained neutral once again, even during Bengal wars, best opportunity to get back NWFP was put down once again, only Daud took the steps in liberating Pakhtunkhwa by blowing some bridges up, that's all, no ideology, no political assistance etc.

If Pashtun women in Afghanistan are treated like crap, spat on, forced to parade in bed sheets, used to settle dispites, married off at the young ages of 8 or 9 to grown men, how the hell are we going to fight Pakistan.

A lot of Afghans here, like to mock Punjabis in Pakistan, they say look at their women, naked etc etc, well show me a single female leader in Afghanistan's history, but in Punjab, women are free in urban areas, they are educated, they have access to education while in Swat Pashtun fanatics blow up girls schools.

Our own downfall is due to this, our deluded out view on what is right and wrong.

Now, Pakistan is a phoney state, it was created for Indian Muslims not for Pashtuns, the Pashtun areas were given to them as a token by the British, but to be fair, the only real person who refused to accept Pakistan was Mirza Ali Khan Faqir of Ipi but his own people sold him out, not the Punjabis, they were bribed and bought by the Pakistani authorities.

When ever Pashtuns were in agony in Pakistan, where they yearned for freedom, Afghans did zero to nothing, they did not send their armies in, they did not provide aid or military assistance, they just sat there doing nothing, but when it comes to call of Jihad by Osama and Abdullah Azzam, the Afghans(rural village idoit types) not the Urban educated classes, opened the door to Punjabis, ISI, Col Imam's, Imran Khan types, General Baig's to do Jihad on Afghan government and soviet union.

WE ARE TO BE BLAMED FOR OUR OWN MISTAKES.

Look at this forum, look at the members on it, 9/10 of them are born raised in a modern western country yet they still have those village idoit values that their parents escaped from, so if the Modern nations, with their educational facilities cant correct them, then how would the homegrown ones be like.

I would prefer to be friends and associated with a Secular Anti Islamist Punjabi than a Talib loving fake Pashtun Nationalist, anyday.

To be honest, both sides are at fault, both Pakhtunkhwa and Afghanistan, both are retards, losers, with no ideology, no unity, bandits, criminals, smugglers, fanatics who fight one another for Arabs and ISI.

When a Punjabi female minister was killed in Pakistan some years back by a religous fanatic Punjabay, the whole Punjabi was protesting her innocence if a Pashtun women is killed by a fanatical religous Pashtun, they will say "Jannat shay".

How are we going to compete with Pakistan, when our own society is so retarded and backward, show me a single country that blows up its girls schools, Punjabis welcome education aid from denmark and norway etc etc, they open up schools for the poor rural areas to teach them to write and read while we consider anyone who can read and write as a communist spy.

Our future is going to be dim, Afghanistan looks like it will pertitioned on ethinic lines, Pakistan will be divided, but don't get too happy, because Punjabis will side with india, and enjoy their economical status, Sindhis will get ports and so will baloch, while we Pashtuns will continue to participate in illegal smuggling, drug dealing and tribalism.

When Afghan leaders tried to reform soceity decades ago, our own Pashtuns revolted, like for example when the Safi tribes revolted and "WANTED TO BE AN INDEPENDENT TRIBE WITH NO GOVERNMENT RULING THEM", this is another problem of ours, show me a single Punjabi clan who says we want to be our own state within a state and we dont follow the government, while Pashtun tribes refuse to live with other tribes UNDER ONE GOVERNMENT, and yet there are members on here who are actually proud that Pashtun tribes murder and kill their own government just to live as independent tribal bandits.

Just my most unbiased take on it.

does it mean I am Pro Pakistan...................HELL NO..............Pakistan is a cancer.

[abassinafghan]

Right because pashtuns are unable lazy and stupid , we should turn to americans and brits,because they promise salvation .

But you are failing to see that the same americans and brits made pakistan what it is today.


You fail to see ,that the same people supported gulbudin hekmatyar rabbNi massoud and others kill bad commies and by the way destroy the afghan state .

You fail to see the same westener supported and installes saudis in arabia .


you fail to see. The same westener supported the back stabbing on ghazi amanullah khan .



The americans will support every one who serve their interessts , wether they call them selfes muslims , nationalists or what ever .

And yes. Pakis are pro taliban as long they serve their interests , and they did it to a certain degree while also following americans orders .

Just the simple and stupid belive just what they see and hear ..... Whitout knowing their own history. Aka lynx .....

[JattApache]

Punjabi is not a race, how can he proudly say that"i am punjabi", punjabis have no pride in their own identity but never the less punjabism is always within them.

No punjabi is not an ethnicity or a race because there are many casts.
But you cannot say that they aren't proud.... Even in Pakistan, there are some proud punjabis ( proud of their language, culture etc.. )

But that's true that in west punjab, they are proud to be pakistanis before all, and they prefer the urdu language, they are racist against the pashtuns and the sikhs ( pathan&sardars jokes )

[haviZsultan]

No punjabi is not an ethnicity or a race because there are many casts.
But you cannot say that they aren't proud.... Even in Pakistan, there are some proud punjabis ( proud of their language, culture etc.. )

But that's true that in west punjab, they are proud to be pakistanis before all, and they prefer the urdu language, they are racist against the pashtuns and the sikhs ( pathan&sardars jokes )

I have constantly noticed that in specific parts of the world, particularly the middle east there is great racism against Pashtuns and Malabharis.

The racism to Mallu's is almost similar to the racism against Pashtuns in Pakistan.

However the Mallu's have never countered racism with racism. They take
jabs at them with a smile, they are called selfish, mean with money, whatever. But they never rebelled.

In Pakistan loyalty to land is just a concept that has not lodged itself in the mind of our citizens.

I have to sadly say that our citizens are the most traitorous and wretched in the history of the world. And the Afghans will love this-We are also totally racist. We have no honor. Our race is the only thing that matters to us.

No amount of problems, racism or issues should justify killing your own country or betrayal to your own state. We can solve our problems as a unit.

You know I sometimes agree with people when they say we mistakenly got a great deal of retards that should have stayed in India when we gained independence. Now every fool thinks that breaking the country will magically solve every problem he faces.

The biggest thing that developed this mindset was our huge blunder in 1971. The leaders dug a hole and nearly buried Pakistan in it.

[randolph85]

Now every fool thinks that breaking the country will magically solve every problem he faces.

The biggest thing that developed this mindset was our huge blunder in 1971. The leaders dug a hole and nearly buried Pakistan in it.

bangladesh seems to be doing a lot better than pakistan. over 40 years later i doubt the people of that country are wishing they hadn't broken away from pakistan.

[Blue Flower]

A part from cancer curse i agree with soldat , Afghanistan should make sure that it again revive its statehood and help their people to live with peace and prosperity, the afghans have to set an example for the pakhtuns to feel proud.

If u say anything bad to your neighbour it will not make u strong like seeking anti-indianism have Pakistan become stronger or worse, i think pakhtuns from both side of the durrand line should take care and promote their pakhtun population rather than holding anyone responible.

[Khostai]

^But the problem is that pashtuns want to be rich, have good housing and smart doctors and engeneers but they don't want to change there way of thinking, they don't want to send the half of there population to school, they don't want to reform or change anything. They don't want to change the laws don't want to improve, and see every man and women who have lived in Europe or US as a kafir.
And onother thing everytime when one give a littel criticism about Pashtun cultre, everyone is atacking him/her, that he is brainwashed and he have forgotten pashtun culture, etc.
But that is not the case the ones that have forgoten pashtun culture are silent and don't critises it, only the ones that know how the pashtun daily lives are and see the problems are the bigest critics.
We can achive much more, if we stop being backward and let for once the smart and educated peopel rule the country, and not some fanatics that have memorised Qoran and think that they are Gods voice on earth.

And lets be honest, we can blame Pakistan or US and UK and Sovjet Union, but at the end of the day we all know that the ones that placed boms in schools the ones that were against change en equal rights for both genders were Afghans themself. Since Amanullah times we Afghans were against every change, he wanted to modernise Afghanistan but let me guess who stoped him?
Pakistan NO
US NO
Sovjet Union NO
UK ? NO
I know peopel say that the english made negative propaganda about him and that's way peopel raised up and kicked him out of the country.
BUt still who were thos who revolted, again Afghans themselfs.
So we must change, it have took long enough
We have to chnage the culture the society as whole, if we don't do that we will still be the same backward peopel that the rest of the world see as a uncivilized cavemen.

[KingOfAriana]

and there are no nations in pakistan , while pakistan itself is a nation. we might also think the same way that uzbek tajik hazara and pashtun in afghanistan are different nation but the reality is that u live in one country and they are afghans too , same is with pakistan all the people in pakistan are one nation no matter how much the peopel from other countries comment about that.

I dont have enough time to comment on black punjabis, and keep insulting your people, you are not worth it. But I will adjust what you just said. While in Afghanistan there is pride, honor history, the fake 60 year old colonial british colony of pakistan has non of it. While the uzbeks of Afghanistan have never been colonised, the ones in Uzbekistan have been. While the tajiks and turkmens of Afghanistan have always stayed independent, those ones in tajikistan and turkmenistan havent been. You can say whatever you want but Afghanistan has for thousands of years been a tolerant country, for all races and ethnicities. We before the war, had hundreds of thousands of hindus in our country, many thousand jews, they have lived peacefully side by side our pashtuns,tajik,uzbek,hazara brothers. Afghanistan is a country that loves its people, culture and history. Afghanistan has thousands of years of history, pakistan only 60. Damn my grandfather was born before pakistan, you cant call that a country. There isnt even one, no not even ONE seperatist movement in Afghanistan. Non. How many in pakistan?

Pakistan seperatist:
U.S Congress : Independent Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa - YouTube
and many hundreds more. just search independent pakhtunkwa or baluchistan.


Afghan seperatists:
non.

Beautiful Afghanistan:
BEAUTIFUL AFGHANISTAN - YouTube

Stupid pakistan:
Pakistani girl hate pakistan - YouTube

More stupid pakistan:
STUPID PAKISTAN 4 - YouTube

Typical modern/advanced/technological paki:
Stupid Pakistani - YouTube

Afghan:


Pakis and their masters:


Afghan heroes and kings:








Pakistani heroes:
Non, cause you dont have a country,culture or history. All stolen from either Afghanistan or India.

Afghan empire:


At its peak:


As you can see pakistan was afghanistans colony, maybe thats why you have white skin complexes and want to be as white as us afghans.
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Pakistani empire: