A proud Pakistani Pakhtun feeling???

[Shah-i-Kot]

Hi Havisultan and KGODB,

you are both liberal/secular outcasts, and quite frankly nothing you want or wish is ever going to materialize.

Your vision for Pashtuns of a secular/liberal gay loving/lesbian promoting state doesnt even have a snow flakes chance in hell .

Secular imposing Puppets from Hosni to Assad are losing power all over.

The tides of current times are not on the side of your hopes and vision.

[Toramana]

Frankly it makes the Pakistani Pashtun sad too that people like you exist. At the beginning I wanted to shake people like you and convince you not to head towards this path of destruction for the Pashtun.

Currently all the Pakistani Pashtun wants is to ensure he does not lose his power and position in Pakistan. Even if as you say it is limited. To him people like you represent fools who don't know what the hell they are doing and inevitably may cause us to lose our position.

You might have your grievances or whatever but the chance you might spoil the chances for other Pashtuns known as patriots and the iron hand of Pakistan is making us sad that YOU exist.

Frankly if I should have been feeling a pang of sadness from your comment I don't feel it. I won't say Na, wroar, na... please don't leave us. We are brothers...

Instead of feeling sad I actually feel happy that you have accepted the Pakistani Pashtun as a separate entity.

Maybe thats a start. Maybe in the future the Pakistani pashtun and the Afghan can chill out together, play cricket, play cards or computer games, grab a cigarette together... even introduce each other to beautiful Afghan/Pakistani Pashtun girls. lol.

First, let me say it is extreme stupidity calling an Indic, Punjabi, Ranjit Singhi like haviZSultan a Pashtun. It is due to this reason that we Pashtuns are considered gullible because anyone can penetrate our ranks and start sowing the seeds of division. haviZSultan and Talal are examples here (one must respect Talal because he admits his Punjabiness). Luffy is Maichankhel Niazi whose ancestors re-immigrated from Mianwali to Lakki Marwat and although very proud of his roots doesn't have allegiance to Pashtun unification.

I am absolutely frustrated with how naive Adam and Admin Khan are not ascertaining whether this person is really a Pashtun or is faking.

[haviZsultan]

Havi, as an Engineer, I'm really concerned with your lack inability to analyze, and your ruthless way of assuming and creating fabrications out of thin air. All you are doing is now creating a rift between the same ethnic group. Where did anyone say Pakistani Pashtuns are slaves? Notice how in every post you constantly mention "Pakistani" Pashtun, "Pakistani" Pashtun that. It's as if you are suffering from a disease(may Allah give you Shif'a) that has made you so insecure, that you keep on having to remind yourself Pakistan exists.

Wrong. By this I remind the Afghan that Pakistan exists. I remind him that the vast majority of Pashtuns accept Pakistan and identify themselves as Pakistanis.

Underlying beneath it I am humbly begging him to respect our country before every chance of any positive relations developing with him is destroyed. But you will not understand this. For you the cause of all evil is Pakistan.

Here is someone who claimed Pakistani Pashtuns are slaves. KGOD's post.

This land is a free land, and all those who live within it are blessed. The Uzbek of Bukhara was colonized not the Uzbek of Balkh. The Tajik of Dushanbe was colonized not the Tajik of Badakhshan. The Pashtun of Peshawar was colonized, not the Pashtun of Paktia.

At least he speaks the truth which many Afghans don't have the courage to speak. The condition of the Pakistani Pashtun would be far worse if ruled by the Afghan. I warn my people not to commit suicide.

Anyway Luffy has admitted it himself. Now its time for Afghans to accept their attitude is driving a wedge between Pashtuns.

When somebody makes a post, which you think aligns with your views, you begin your usual chest-thumping with hurrays and praise. What's sad is when you get refuted, and your nonsense is debunked, you hibernate and selectively claim something else for brownie points. I know your algorithm to such an extent that I can create a C++ simulator that will do exactly what you've been doing the past few weeks. Let's reiterate, anybody is welcomed here, whether it be a Jew or a Sikh. If that Jew or Sikh claims nonsense, he will get refuted albiet in a professional manner. The same way you are getting refuted, or other Afghans or Pakistanis in the past have been refuted. If that is considered "thrashing" for an Afghan or Pakistani then I must say AFPAK needs a curriculum revision as soon as possible. It's called a discussion where you constructively criticize the other party. If someone wants to leave because the other can't take someones professional way of debunking their views, that's not our problem. Only the strong ones remain. I've noticed most Pakistanis can't take the heat from criticism, which is why journalists get abducted all the time by the ISI.

Lol. I don't know what makes you say that. I have not quit the site and am right here. Having the last word does not make you right. There I admit that I do not have the raw energy needed to respond to your posts which
1) criticize the poster
2) Deny what is my reality (though I admit it might not be yours for reasons I mentioned before-you have been taught a totally different version of history and since the division we have had a different history in terms of our struggle for Pakistan while you continued banging the drums of Pashtun unity and oneness.)

To be truthful I feel you find it difficult to accept different opinions because of your history and your own education system. Especially those views representative of the Pakistani Pashtun.

Let me make this clear for you, Pashtuns are one people and cut off the nonsense as to how your "cultural capital" is being attacked. Peshawar is the most dearest city, and it has a special place in the heart of all ~ 50 million Pashtuns. Hell, it was the winter capital of Afghanistan. Get the point already. We view Peshwar the same way we view Swat and Kandahar. Your goal, from what I've noticed is to somehow magically prove we hate the guts of the other side. Such divide and conquer history has proven throughout the course of history as a failure. Just because I criticize the banana republic of Pakistan doesn't mean you have to get your panties in a bunch and claim I, a non-Afghan national, view them as slaves.

Hmmm... why was it taxed so much. Southern Pashtuns were paying more taxes than you guys. We weren't even colonized british slaves at that time. Why mistreat us then, and if you did what will you do now when we were british slaves, and didn't fight hard enough against the british, are sons of Jinnah etc. I fear the day we have to live as one again. Afghans will slaughter us all!

Maybe u guys can spare me when u come to kill us (as you said before). I am a Pf'er.

It's a known fact that Pakistan is a puppet state, with a rag-tag government whose sovereignty is not respected(take the 10 people who died today from drone attacks). It's also a known fact that Pashtuns are demonized. while non-Pashtuns are deciding if whether they should major in CpE or CS from LUMS or NUST. The Pakistani government allows a bunch of camps that trains young Pukhtuns into becoming suicide bombers, because those illiterate Pukhtuns can easily save the establishment when another Kashmir conflict arises. Notice the difference, and think deep about it before you respond. I've spoken extensively about this in our previous exchange. Take a deep breath, and think before you talk.

The Pashtun has an opportunity to go to LUMS or NUST too. Who's stopping him? Is it the ISI saying we'll keep u backward or i'll break ur legs if you go there? Some of the top LUMS students are Pashtuns. Plus the Pashtun has University of Peshawar which is one of the best in the country too. Pashtuns have Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Agricultural University (Do you know its the best agricultural university in all Pakistan-even before Faisalabad Agricultural University)

Thing is when our thinking is so different I just don't see how this is useful. You attack my posting ability, deny my claims just as I deny yours and nothing constructive comes out of it. I fail to make you less hostile to Pakistan or the Pakistani Pashtun or even accept that he is a reality who won't let his land be divided.

This is why I didn't push to have the last reply here (was a pretty interesting debate though)... plus having the last reply doesn't necessarily mean you are right or that I "ran away." I had made my point more than once. Replying would mean repeating which would inevitably come in the way of writing my book (which should actually come first, before PF.)

Like Luffy(as you would say your Pakistani Pashtun)said, it's really alarming to see someone like you write a book on Pashtuns. No wonder we are in such a mess.

Of course I must then say that it is grateful of you to help promote the book if you think such of it.

But Luffy also admits there is great bias from e-afghans against the Pakistani Pashtun.

Yup, you've probably spent your entire life in Kandahar, Kunar, Swat, Peshawar, Malakand to know how Pashtuns feel and think.

Whatever frustrations they have I have never heard the idea of separation from Pakistan or Pashtunistan.

[haviZsultan]

Hi Havisultan and KGODB,

you are both liberal/secular outcasts, and quite frankly nothing you want or wish is ever going to materialize.

Your vision for Pashtuns of a secular/liberal gay loving/lesbian promoting state doesnt even have a snow flakes chance in hell .

Secular imposing Puppets from Hosni to Assad are losing power all over.

The tides of current times are not on the side of your hopes and vision.

I don't know what you have against KGODB though I do manage to piss conservatives off with my secular ideas.

But from your comments I haven't seen much of a difference except perhaps in how our countries should be governed. Frankly I want the US forces out of Afghanistan.

From the Pakistani Pashtuns perspective and thinking he wants someone to blame for driving a wedge between the Pakistani and Afghan (talking from an overall standpoint-not the Pashtuns)...

Hence we have theories like:
1) India and RAW is using Afghanistan to destabilize Pakistan
2) America is brainwashing the Afghans and pumping all the Pashtunistan coins into their stomachs.

I mean it can't be the Afghan is brainwashing himself to hate Pakistan and the Pakistani Pashtun. It has to be someone else. After the Pakistanis lent a shoulder to the Afghan during the Soviet war the Pakistani just can't come to accept that his noble intentions caused hatred and mistrust instead of Afghan-Paki unity.

[Toramana]

I don't know what you have against KGODB though I do manage to piss conservatives off with my secular ideas.

But from your comments I haven't seen much of a difference except perhaps in how our countries should be governed. Frankly I want the US forces out of Afghanistan.

From the Pakistani Pashtuns perspective and thinking he wants someone to blame for driving a wedge between the Pakistani and Afghan (talking from an overall standpoint-not the Pashtuns)...

Hence we have theories like:
1) India and RAW is using Afghanistan to destabilize Pakistan
2) America is brainwashing the Afghans and pumping all the Pashtunistan coins into their stomachs.

I mean it can't be the Afghan is brainwashing himself to hate Pakistan and the Pakistani Pashtun. It has to be someone else. After the Pakistanis lent a shoulder to the Afghan during the Soviet war the Pakistani just can't come to accept that his noble intentions caused hatred and mistrust instead of Afghan-Paki unity.

There is no such thing as Pakistani or Afghani Pashtun. That is either a figment of your imagination or typical Indic craftiness to drive a wedge. There are many people here from Pukhtunkhwa e.g., me, Lewanay Zalmay, tor_Khan, etc. who have been on this forum for almost two years and we have been treated with utmost respect and our opinion has been valued.

[tor_khan]

There is no such thing as Pakistani or Afghani Pashtun. That is either a figment of your imagination or typical Indic craftiness to drive a wedge. There are many people here from Pukhtunkhwa e.g., me, Lewanay Zalmay, tor_Khan, etc. who have been on this forum for almost two years and we have been treated with utmost respect and our opinion has been valued.

Manana Toromana.

And for the detractors: Please print, frame and hang up on your most important wall.

[faye]

There is no such thing as Pakistani or Afghani Pashtun. That is either a figment of your imagination or typical Indic craftiness to drive a wedge. There are many people here from Pukhtunkhwa e.g., me, Lewanay Zalmay, tor_Khan, etc. who have been on this forum for almost two years and we have been treated with utmost respect and our opinion has been valued.

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[haviZsultan]

There is no such thing as Pakistani or Afghani Pashtun. That is either a figment of your imagination or typical Indic craftiness to drive a wedge. There are many people here from Pukhtunkhwa e.g., me, Lewanay Zalmay, tor_Khan, etc. who have been on this forum for almost two years and we have been treated with utmost respect and our opinion has been valued.

The only way for an Afghan to blackmail the Pakistani Pashtun is by saying Afghan=Pashtun which is a flawed concept anyway. Afghan can never be Pashtun because otherwise there would be no tajik, hazara or uzbek. So therefore there is an Afghan Pashtun and Pakistani Pashtun and as KGOD stated a patriotic Pakistani can also be a patriotic Pashtun. Pakistani Pashtuns are noticing Afghans use this to insult Pakistan but Pakistani Pashtuns can't say a word in response because they will be insulting themselves.

It doesn't matter that you don't believe in the division. The divisions there anyway. Well of course... you went along with the lar aw bar yaw afghan concept well... ask them what they are going to do with those who don't (which is the majority of Pashtuns.)

Tormana, let me give you a challenge. Give a political speech in Pakhtunkhwa calling for the end of Pakistan and call it a mistake. If you do not come back with huge scars I will abandon Pakistani Nationalism and adopt your ideas.

You guys are really going to enjoy once the Afghans start treating you as slaves. Its going to happen someday. Its obvious that they view Pakistani Pashtuns as lesser Pashtuns and slaves of the British. But hey lets all unite. Lets take a crazy ideology towards its end... when we end up creating a mess and screwing the chances of the Pashtun in Pakistan lets all celebrate.

Tormana I don't care what you guys do. Just let the Pakistani Pashtun live in peace. Don't destroy his chances of succeeding, of intermingling with the Pakistani fabric.

This is a huge disservice to Pashtuns- what you guys are doing. Pashtuns sacrificed a lot to make Pakistan... You are spitting at the graves of people like Abdul Rab Nishtar, Lalak Jan, Karnal Sher Khan-all Pashtuns for your own selfish gains...

And funny thing is you guys don't know where this path leads. Probably the Afghan is going to dust you under the carpet once you rebel against Pakistan.

[R3SISTANC3]

This is a huge disservice to Pashtuns- what you guys are doing. Pashtuns sacrificed a lot to make Pakistan... You are spitting at the graves of people like Abdul Rab Nishtar, Lalak Jan, Karnal Sher Khan-all Pashtuns for your own selfish gains...

And what were those sacrifices for, fed to the Americans as drone targets in return for profits? The fact that the same country view these Pashtuns with suspicious eyes that the renaming of the province became this huge circus show lasting many decades. In the end settling with a name stigmatized with "Khyber" to appease those suspicions. The butt, and the laughing ass of every retard joke in the country. The locha khocha chokidar akhroot mamu? This is degenerate stereotypical discriminatory diagnoses is something you admitted your self. Too late to undue the doings of your fellow countrymen because people might forgive but they hardly forget.

I agree with you though, just because Toramana says there is no such thing as a Pakistani or Afghani Pashtun doesn't make it so. You are right there are over 40 million Pashtuns who associate with Pakistan and most don't want anything to do with Afghanistan including members of the nationalists parties who are proud parliament members. Yet those loyalties are circumstantial and stressed only by ignorance of history, facts and aspirations.

With the advent of the INNERNETS, the masses are no longer reliant on classroom history. This is where the dream of Pakistan starts to crumble under it's own fictitious weight since liberal Pakistanis like you no longer are happy with the application of the Islamic glue that holds it together. The only possible outcome then is the only natural one. Linguistic, cultural, and geographical links would take course.

What are you going to do, unplug Pakistan from the rest of the world so the masses can remain ignorant of their own past? You can then block facebook, youtube, twitter, and even PashtunForums but the inevitable will eventually materialize. You would have to plug back in some day, and when you do, all of this would still be here.

Do not bury yourself under the burden of crimes created by the British. It is not your fault. It just wasnt meant to be.

[Toramana]

The only way for an Afghan to blackmail the Pakistani Pashtun is by saying Afghan=Pashtun which is a flawed concept anyway. Afghan can never be Pashtun because otherwise there would be no tajik, hazara or uzbek. So therefore there is an Afghan Pashtun and Pakistani Pashtun and as KGOD stated a patriotic Pakistani can also be a patriotic Pashtun. Pakistani Pashtuns are noticing Afghans use this to insult Pakistan but Pakistani Pashtuns can't say a word in response because they will be insulting themselves.

Our Afghan/Pashtun identity is more ancient and real evolved over at least 2000 years manifested in our common ethnicity, language, culture, values, history, geography, heroes, literature and literary figures, etc.

Contrary to Pakistan which was created by British and came into existence abruptly on the night of Aug 14, 1947---just one day before that on Aug 13, my parents were citizens of British India---their identity changed abruptly overnight. This means Pakistan is nothing more than a political arrangement not based on fundamental things like common culture, history, language, territorial affiliation, etc. Therefore, Paki identity is transient that would ultimately go down the historical drain as all geopolitical entities have in the past.

We Pashtuns from Oxus to Indus practice the same set of values called Pukhtunwali that emphasizes hospitality, liberty/freedom, equality, egalitarianism, endurance, loyalty, etc. You on the other hand have a different set of social and political values that give importance to subservience, imitation, oratory, deception, etc. Our heroes are Khushal Khan, Rahman Baba, Ahmad Shah Baba, Miarwais Hotak, and Bacha Khan ; yours on the other hand are Ranjit Singh, Guru Nanak, Baghat Singh, Iqbal, etc. We eat less spicy or spice less food; we, Pashtuns/Afghans, unlike you people, have tribal social structure---you, feudal. We construct the walls of our houses high (concept of privacy); you don't have "chardiwari". There are dozens of other contradiction between us i.e., Pashtuns/Afghans and you Indics.

It doesn't matter that you don't believe in the division. The divisions there anyway. Well of course... you went along with the lar aw bar yaw afghan concept well... ask them what they are going to do with those who don't (which is the majority of Pashtuns.)

Yes but the division has been imposed upon us by colonial authorities against our will. Further, as I mentioned above we have more ground to be united (among ourselves) than to stay divided or to be united with you people with whom we have nothing in common except religion. As history is a proof, things ultimately revert to their natural order/arrangement.

Tormana, let me give you a challenge. Give a political speech in Pakhtunkhwa calling for the end of Pakistan and call it a mistake. If you do not come back with huge scars I will abandon Pakistani Nationalism and adopt your ideas.

Lar aow bar Afghan is a common slogan in KP as well as all Pashtun inhabited regions to the east of the Durand Line. The slogan is being raised more and more loudly thanks access to information due to modern media and being felt more consciously.

You guys are really going to enjoy once the Afghans start treating you as slaves. Its going to happen someday. Its obvious that they view Pakistani Pashtuns as lesser Pashtuns and slaves of the British. But hey lets all unite. Lets take a crazy ideology towards its end... when we end up creating a mess and screwing the chances of the Pashtun in Pakistan lets all celebrate.

There is nothing of that kind existing. We are all Pashtuns bound together by the profoundest of fraternal feelings (remember, we have the myth of origin from the same ancestor---feeling of ethnic solidarity are the strongest in tribal societies). Here on this board I have no sense of one-ness with you, Talal, etc.(rather consider you people to be alien/foreigners) On the contrary, I consider Admin Khan, Resistence3, etc. to be my brothers and someones from my own family.

Tormana I don't care what you guys do. Just let the Pakistani Pashtun live in peace. Don't destroy his chances of succeeding, of intermingling with the Pakistani fabric.

Pakistan has made the lives of so many communities miserable. Bangalis, Sindhis, Baluchis, etc. are the examples. Million of Pashtuns on either side of the Durand Line have died due to the expansionist ambitions/policies of Pakistan and the mere existence of Pakistan. And it hasn't stopped here; rather Pakistan has exported terrorism and jehad to many regions of the world and destroyed the peace of these lands.

This is a huge disservice to Pashtuns- what you guys are doing. Pashtuns sacrificed a lot to make Pakistan... You are spitting at the graves of people like Abdul Rab Nishtar, Lalak Jan, Karnal Sher Khan-all Pashtuns for your own selfish gains...

Nishthar was a Hindko-speaker. Karnal Sher Khan was a misguided Pashtun exploited by his Paki bosses.

And funny thing is you guys don't know where this path leads. Probably the Afghan is going to dust you under the carpet once you rebel against Pakistan.

By being united with our own, we would be able to preserve our identity and culture. We would be politically stronger and would no longer dependent on Punjabistan in economic sense; rather would gain ourselves greater opportunities and options i.e., economic integration with the whole region and world instead of Punjabistan.

[Toramana]

Every Pashtun irrespective of whether east of Durand line or West is considered to be a Khan Sahib and an object of scorn for people east of Indus----that points to our commonality vis-a-vis those east of Indus.

[Toramana]

HavizSultan and Toramana,

Both supporters of the NATO war in Afghanistan.

Both supporters of Pakistan support for the NATO war with supply routes.

Both fantasize about imposing secularism/'urbanization' upon Afghans through occupation/bloodshed

Hence, the only real issue is one chooses to be honest about his opinion, and the other does not- therein lies the supposed conflict.

Your minds are full of feces.

Pakistan is supporting jehais like you not peace-loving citizens of Pashtunistan/Afghanistan. You are its proxies through which it earns dollars and advances its strategic interests. We are not supporting NATO/US---we are supporting peace. You on the other hand are blood voracious wanting to shed the blood of innocent people.

[pashtanajan]

Manana. Not only afghans but also their associate pashtuns from pakhtunkhwa raised in the west. Interacting with afghans and their associates on internet ,with few exeptions, is always painful and irritating experience for me. Forexample I am talking here less and less in pashto as they might dig out a word from your sentence and would say to you that look its urdu word , your pashto is impure....and they dont feel a little shame in calling us dhaalkhor and slaves of punjab and hera mundi. Its in pashtun nature that "cha na teeta na khwri" means they dont consider themeselves inferior to some one. So they should understand that its not wise to insult a pakistani pashtun in such way. Forexample shehbaz khan is a pro-pakistani pashtun of very gentleman behaviour, yet he is sort of an enemy for members here and frequently is target of their wraths.
You are also a pashtun in american so it might offend you but listen. 99% of members here are living in foriegn countries especially west. They have no exposure to pashtun enviroment and live in societies where things are divided along racial lines. They dont hate punjabis because they have did some thing wrong to them, but hate them because punjabis are dark skinned indic people....have you noticed that they use "paki" and "dhaalkhor" for pakistanis, which are racist terms. And they develop the habit of racist terms in the westren enviroment. They are copy cat racists, copying their white neighbours and trying to be like whites unintentionally. Moreover their source of information on pashtun society is internet. They learn things from internet but actually have not observed and experienced it. Forexample they might have learnt the meaning of "nanawatay" but would'nt have observed it. They are contineously exposed to non-pashtun , non-muslim enviroment and in the first phase of identity crisis they desparately try to maintain their pashtun values and identity and for that they adopt extreme ethno-centric appoach and thinking to abnormal level....but their connection with ground realities of Pakistan and afghanistan is not there, which is always cause of unpleasant arguements on this forum. So i would be careful in making claim that afghan mothers teach their kids to hate lar pashtuns.
the only forum where pashtuns actually living in KP were outnumbering expatriates , was khyberwatch.

I've been to khyberwatch and many of the pashtuns there who are from Pakhtunkhwa aren't really pro-pakistani from what I observe.

[Michin Khel]

I've been to khyberwatch and many of the pashtuns there who are from Pakhtunkhwa aren't really pro-pakistani from what I observe.

I did'nt say any thing about khyberwatch being Propakistani, ???. From where that come from.
KW is forum of pashtun nationalists. Its owner zahid bunery is ANP member. Dont think it as an afghanistan's or pakistan's forum.
In my above post that you quoted, i divided forum members into two catagories, pashtuns of watan and expatriate pashtuns.... Forexample you are an expatriate pashtun.

[Arooj Khan]

Originally Posted by Luffy
Manana. Not only afghans but also their associate pashtuns from pakhtunkhwa raised in the west. Interacting with afghans and their associates on internet ,with few exeptions, is always painful and irritating experience for me. Forexample I am talking here less and less in pashto as they might dig out a word from your sentence and would say to you that look its urdu word , your pashto is impure....and they dont feel a little shame in calling us dhaalkhor and slaves of punjab and hera mundi. Its in pashtun nature that "cha na teeta na khwri" means they dont consider themeselves inferior to some one. So they should understand that its not wise to insult a pakistani pashtun in such way. Forexample shehbaz khan is a pro-pakistani pashtun of very gentleman behaviour, yet he is sort of an enemy for members here and frequently is target of their wraths.
You are also a pashtun in american so it might offend you but listen. 99% of members here are living in foriegn countries especially west. They have no exposure to pashtun enviroment and live in societies where things are divided along racial lines. They dont hate punjabis because they have did some thing wrong to them, but hate them because punjabis are dark skinned indic people....have you noticed that they use "paki" and "dhaalkhor" for pakistanis, which are racist terms. And they develop the habit of racist terms in the westren enviroment. They are copy cat racists, copying their white neighbours and trying to be like whites unintentionally. Moreover their source of information on pashtun society is internet. They learn things from internet but actually have not observed and experienced it. Forexample they might have learnt the meaning of "nanawatay" but would'nt have observed it. They are contineously exposed to non-pashtun , non-muslim enviroment and in the first phase of identity crisis they desparately try to maintain their pashtun values and identity and for that they adopt extreme ethno-centric appoach and thinking to abnormal level....but their connection with ground realities of Pakistan and afghanistan is not there, which is always cause of unpleasant arguements on this forum. So i would be careful in making claim that afghan mothers teach their kids to hate lar pashtuns.
the only forum where pashtuns actually living in KP were outnumbering expatriates , was khyberwatch.

Qeemati khabara de wokra .This is wht i observed here ,HAVISULTAN
has rightly proved it.You 've just stated what
I wanted to.They are blaming us for being impure
and ignorant of our language,
bt when I spoke
to them in their own "beloved pashto"then both
my GREAT AFGHAN PASHTUNS were left speechless.
I wonder if they are unable to get their own mother tongue
or were failed to deny the reality mentioned in my post.
Nice to know that you are Marwat.I 've got and enjoyed all your words in marwat and banochi!
All I want to say about them is k ..
ye saary khud "Adhey Teetar or aadhy Batair" hen.ye hamen kia sikhaen gy.They ,themselves need 'Islaah'.
kho ywa khabara ba dow da paara okam chy
wayi chy "za de malatob/peeri chy shak ganrra o ta maa ta masaly kawy
poy sly kana!!!