A proud Pakistani Pakhtun feeling???

[Michin Khel]

Qeemati khabara de wokra .This is wht i observed here ,HAVISULTAN
has rightly proved it.You 've just stated what
I wanted to.They are blaming us for being impure
and ignorant of our language,
bt when I spoke
to them in their own "beloved pashto"then both
my GREAT AFGHAN PASHTUNS were left speechless.
I wonder if they are unable to get their own mother tongue
or were failed to deny the reality mentioned in my post.
Nice to know that you are Marwat.I 've got and enjoyed all your words in marwat and banochi!
All I want to say about them is k ..
ye saary khud "Adhey Teetar or aadhy Batair" hen.ye hamen kia sikhaen gy.They ,themselves need 'Islaah'.
kho ywa khabara ba dow da paara okam chy
wayi chy "za de malatob/peeri chy shak ganrra o ta maa ta masaly kawy
poy sly kana!!!

Exactly. I agree with you. Like i said pro-pakistani pashtuns are proud people in their own manner, you dont have to stick afghanistan flag on your house to be accepted as proper and genuine pashtun..these people dont understand the real meaning of "unity". By unity they mean erasing durand and grabbing lands upto river indus. By unity they doesnt mean respecting and wining hearts of pakistani pashtuns.
All the anti-afghan pashtuns of pakistan says one and same thing : As pashtuns they had great admiration for Afghanistan and afghans, but were greatly hurt and repulsed by their behaviour on online forums, degrading them to extent that they developed resentment towards afghans and their country.
These maghrib-zada class of pashtuns have done more damage than good. They have set their own critereas for defination of a pashtun...and many have already started pashtunistan and loy afghanistan movement in their canada, Uk or US without their feet on the ground, by ground i mean pakhtunkhwa and afghanistan.

[Arooj Khan]

The only way for an Afghan to blackmail the Pakistani Pashtun is by saying Afghan=Pashtun which is a flawed concept anyway. Afghan can never be Pashtun because otherwise there would be no tajik, hazara or uzbek. So therefore there is an Afghan Pashtun and Pakistani Pashtun and as KGOD stated a patriotic Pakistani can also be a patriotic Pashtun. Pakistani Pashtuns are noticing Afghans use this to insult Pakistan but Pakistani Pashtuns can't say a word in response because they will be insulting themselves.

It doesn't matter that you don't believe in the division. The divisions there anyway. Well of course... you went along with the lar aw bar yaw afghan concept well... ask them what they are going to do with those who don't (which is the majority of Pashtuns.)

Tormana, let me give you a challenge. Give a political speech in Pakhtunkhwa calling for the end of Pakistan and call it a mistake. If you do not come back with huge scars I will abandon Pakistani Nationalism and adopt your ideas.

You guys are really going to enjoy once the Afghans start treating you as slaves. Its going to happen someday. Its obvious that they view Pakistani Pashtuns as lesser Pashtuns and slaves of the British. But hey lets all unite. Lets take a crazy ideology towards its end... when we end up creating a mess and screwing the chances of the Pashtun in Pakistan lets all celebrate.

Tormana I don't care what you guys do. Just let the Pakistani Pashtun live in peace. Don't destroy his chances of succeeding, of intermingling with the Pakistani fabric.

This is a huge disservice to Pashtuns- what you guys are doing. Pashtuns sacrificed a lot to make Pakistan... You are spitting at the graves of people like Abdul Rab Nishtar, Lalak Jan, Karnal Sher Khan-all Pashtuns for your own selfish gains...

And funny thing is you guys don't know where this path leads. Probably the Afghan is going to dust you under the carpet once you rebel against Pakistan.

Hats off to you!! Havizsultan brother...
its rightly said" so sunar ki aik lohar ki"
you realy deserve to be called a true patriotic pashtun of PAKISTAN,
The way they tried to humiliate you ,blamed you for being an indic,degrading the talent of a PATRIOT AUTHOR,has revealed their intentions,illwills for pakistan and partial behaviour.I salute your courage,
patience and irresistibility to stand fast before such merciless opposers.
They are dubious about your Ideas and identity,but believe me I was shocked when some of them unveiled themselves and their identity.
These poor COMMENTATORS can do nothing except pulling others legs in politics ,how can they digest that an "impure pakhtun(as they call us )
is gonna write a book on the fate of PAKHTUNSSSS!!!
I appreciate your sagacity to prove your statement"(Afghans have been taught this from birth, that Pakistani Pashtuns are british sellouts, Punjabi slaves, Pakistan is evil etc etc)"
When you made it ,some of the members strongly denied ..
but Its crystal clear to everybody.
you are criticised for creating fuss, but what are great afghan brothers doing here.Are they preaching??!!!or doing JIHAD?!!
Rather their false pride has driven them mad !!!

[KingOfAriana]

Pashtun=Afghan, everyone seeing themselves not as Afghan cant in any way be a pashtun. Living in Kp you are still afghan, only temporary occupied by punjabis. If Ahmed shah Durrani would hear some of these paki dhalkhor sellouts he would rise from his grave and give them their punishment. these unloyal slaves of punjabis.

Afghan:


Paki:

[haviZsultan]

Just dropped in to reply to this post. Otherwise I'll be labeled a coward and my ability as a poster will be doubted. Not that I'll be treated well in either case.

Our Afghan/Pashtun identity is more ancient and real evolved over at least 2000 years manifested in our common ethnicity, language, culture, values, history, geography, heroes, literature and literary figures, etc.

I wonder if you fanatics and racists ever consider the silliness of your beliefs. You are trying to prove I have no pride in Pashtun history and you are the only one that do. Nice try.

Pashtun is a race. Pakistan is a country. So the argument that because Pashtuns have 2000 year old culture we can't be part of a 60 year old country is false, broken and childish.

Plus people live and die in 60 years. Enough time to build loyalty to motherland. Move on. Try to fit in and Pashtuns will make a place in Pakistan... eventually dominate it. Since they are taking part in society not sitting in a corner alienated like you our people will make an impact. Don't believe me? A Pashtun-Imran Khan is going to win the next elections.

Contrary to Pakistan which was created by British and came into existence abruptly on the night of Aug 14, 1947---just one day before that on Aug 13, my parents were citizens of British India---their identity changed abruptly overnight. This means Pakistan is nothing more than a political arrangement not based on fundamental things like common culture, history, language, territorial affiliation, etc. Therefore, Paki identity is transient that would ultimately go down the historical drain as all geopolitical entities have in the past.

Wroar, PASHTUNS did this. Pashtuns created Pakistan. Let me get India-Pakistan partition-Jaswant Singhs book-it has a vote count and how many seats aiml won. What was at that time NWFP voted overwhelmingly for the Muslim League. Do you hear? For the Muslim League advocating an independent Pakistan! Not a Pashtunistan! Bacha Khan was loved... we love him. But we believe strongly in Pakistan.

So you are going to kill us all? Wrong question. You probably are out of your selfishness-who cares about the common people who just want food on their plate and a roof over their heads-and love Pakistan despite their wretchedness.

Thank Allah Pashtunistan is going no where. Right now is war on terror time. It ends and Pashtun alienation will end too. People like you will be left alone... or with your Afghan brethren who will continue pushing you onwards but you will have no support in Pakhtunkhwa. Even the Afghans will abandon you one day claiming you are a coward and son of the British. The only way to prove you aren't a coward is to pick up a gun and commit genocide on the Punjabis... who's only fault of course is that they are Punjabis. Not that you'll leave the Pashtuns who believe in Pakistan alone.

I will try to get the results for the elections and how each time Muslim League won heavy support in Pakhtunkhwa.

We Pashtuns from Oxus to Indus practice the same set of values called Pukhtunwali that emphasizes hospitality, liberty/freedom, equality, egalitarianism, endurance, loyalty, etc. You on the other hand have a different set of social and political values that give importance to subservience, imitation, oratory, deception, etc. Our heroes are Khushal Khan, Rahman Baba, Ahmad Shah Baba, Miarwais Hotak, and Bacha Khan ; yours on the other hand are Ranjit Singh, Guru Nanak, Baghat Singh, Iqbal, etc. We eat less spicy or spice less food; we, Pashtuns/Afghans, unlike you people, have tribal social structure---you, feudal. We construct the walls of our houses high (concept of privacy); you don't have "chardiwari". There are dozens of other contradiction between us i.e., Pashtuns/Afghans and you Indics.

Bravo What you are doing is telling a dedicated person to the Pashtun cause his own history, his own heroes all of which he loves. Brilliant work.

You are also running on the assumption that I am a Punjabi. lol. A great flaw... but a brilliant way to discredit a poster is to call him a Punjabi or say he has a multiple account. This has been going on on this site for long. People don't even care anymore.

And you are wrong about our heroes too. These people you mentioned are indeed Pashtun heroes. But so are Abdur Rab Nishtar, so are Lalak Jaan, so are Mohammed Aslam Khattak, so are Inayatullah Khan of Charsadda.

A link for you. Hope u love Rehman Baba, Pir Rokhan and Khushal Khan Khattak with the Pakistani flag.

HaVi Sultan's Graphic Design-7 Pashtun Logos

Yes but the division has been imposed upon us by colonial authorities against our will. Further, as I mentioned above we have more ground to be united (among ourselves) than to stay divided or to be united with you people with whom we have nothing in common except religion. As history is a proof, things ultimately revert to their natural order/arrangement.

I won't go over this again. Check the election results and how Pakhtunkhwa voted overwhelmingly for Muslim League and Quaid E Azam. Crowds literally were throwing themselves on him when he visited Peshawar. The division was not imposed.

People like you only consider the history till up to 300 years ago your history. You do not even count the Pashtuns struggle for Pakistan. A fundamental flaw.

This is the natural order. Boundaries change... the world changes. Most Pashtuns are happy with the current borders. The durand line does not exist in the heart of Pashtuns and they love each other. But division from land is not an option.

Lar aow bar Afghan is a common slogan in KP as well as all Pashtun inhabited regions to the east of the Durand Line. The slogan is being raised more and more loudly thanks access to information due to modern media and being felt more consciously.

Of course it is. ANP says it to score some points. But you would be foolish to think all Pashtuns think of it in the same sense as you.

There is nothing of that kind existing. We are all Pashtuns bound together by the profoundest of fraternal feelings (remember, we have the myth of origin from the same ancestor---feeling of ethnic solidarity are the strongest in tribal societies). Here on this board I have no sense of one-ness with you, Talal, etc.(rather consider you people to be alien/foreigners) On the contrary, I consider Admin Khan, Resistence3, etc. to be my brothers and someones from my own family.

It just proves the level you have advanced to. Your own brothers are garbage to you because they identify with different ideas. Yet the Afghans are your brothers. The same people who treated Pashtuns as garbage are your people. Pakhtunkhwa was taxed into oblivion by them. Just to save their own people they gave up all of Southern Pakhtunkhwa as a gift. This is how they treated you. But hey lets all unite. I'm sure the Afghan will treat us very well. Plus we already have a terrorism situation in our parts. Lets form a terrorist country together by joining with Afghanistan and suffer daily bombings. A united nation will make the terrorists stronger and the military will be much weaker.

Pakistani Pashtuns don't want you either. You must understand the Pakistani Pashtun wants no one to destroy his chances within Pakistan. Known as loyalists our people die as loyalists. You scare the Pakistani Pashtun because you may cause our people to lose everything he has built with careful hard work. When your patriotism begins to be doubted your chances are greatly weakened. We won't get jobs, we won't get funds... while you will be sitting happily in Canada the Pashtuns will be pushed at the Punjabis feet. Is that what you want?

Pakistan has made the lives of so many communities miserable. Bangalis, Sindhis, Baluchis, etc. are the examples. Million of Pashtuns on either side of the Durand Line have died due to the expansionist ambitions/policies of Pakistan and the mere existence of Pakistan. And it hasn't stopped here; rather Pakistan has exported terrorism and jehad to many regions of the world and destroyed the peace of these lands.

People like you love to claim Pashtuns would have no problem if Pakistan didn't exist. This is a canard. The terrorism situation will not end even if Pakistan ends. I guarantee that.

Intolerance has been bred within Pakistanis... and Pashtuns (30 Million who are Pakistanis)... are you dreaming or is it really going to end just by eradicating one state?

Nishthar was a Hindko-speaker. Karnal Sher Khan was a misguided Pashtun exploited by his Paki bosses.

This post proves that you and me talking is useless. How easily you discarded the struggle of the Pashtun people for Pakistan. It doesn't matter to you. All that matters is your own selfish interests.

You have no idea what the vast majority of Pashtuns want. Plus there is no proof Abdur Rab Nishtar was a Hindko speaker and even if he was it would make him no less Pashtun. But you are a racist. To convince you of this would be a great waste of time.

I feel sad talking to you.

But heres food for thought. By leading us into a union with a country with less than half a gdp per capita . Such a country will be dominated by the north. Its already dominated by the Tajiks. If you don't believe check the percentage of Tajiks in governance and the armed forces and you will know.

Your beliefs are so silly, so childish yet you continue promoting them. Please do. The Pakistani Pashtun will ignore you. You're sitting in Canada anyway. lol.

By being united with our own, we would be able to preserve our identity and culture. We would be politically stronger and would no longer dependent on Punjabistan in economic sense; rather would gain ourselves greater opportunities and options i.e., economic integration with the whole region and world instead of Punjabistan.

There is absolutely no guarantee. Not even an inkling that Pashtun culture and identity will be stronger by uniting with Afghanistan. Instead you will be dominated by Farsi and farsiwan's. Afghanistan isn't a Pashtun country. Its a farsi dominated country... that is struggling from a huge identity crisis. They don't know whether to call themselves Pashtun,

Don't let the Afghans fool you with their Ultra-Nationalism. Americans have made sure the Tajik controls Afghanistan and Pashtun is at his feet. Afghans are taught Farsi in their schools. Theirs no indication the Afghan Pashtun will abandon his Tajik, Hazara, Uzbek brothers which is the only way to guarantee sucess of Pashtun culture and language. You are living in a dream. Wake up please.

Pashtuns are seen as terrorist supporters and sponsors because of shadowgovernor and afghanistan2010. No... but why try to fix the reputation of the Pashtun... why build schools, why feed the Pashtun, why bring him to a better standard of living? Lets lead him to total annihilation by making him rebel against Pakistan (Which will inevitably lead to the death of Millions.)

Why don't you go to Pakhtunkhwa and aggressively push for separation from Pakistan first? Gather some kind of support in Pakistan first. Of course I forgot. Your ideas have no supporters in Pakhtunkhwa.

I can only say people like you are leading the Pashtuns to suicide. There is no way for the two sides uniting without vast needless bloodshed. Tormana as a person dedicated to the Pashtun cause I request you to stop this before you spoil the chances for the rest of the Pashtuns. In your heart even you know how racist towards us the Afghan is... you are dreaming Tormana. Come back to reality. I say this as a person from your side...

[Arooj Khan]

Your religion wont allow you to accept Hindu domination? So what crime did the Tamil or Deccan Muslims commit, in being handed over to Delhi for Hindu domination?

You accept Partition of Pashtun land and want to talk about "Oh Yaar, Border in Islam nayi heh?"

Munafiq, new generations of Afghans are not so stupid to accept your words

relax relax dear KG.!The fate of your new generations is not relevent to me..I m sure you are not only stupid but a BIG LOSER
Muhtaram!!hamen munafiq kehny sy pehly zra apni uthi hoi ungli ko dekho ..baaqi chaar ungliyan tumhari taraf ishara kr rhi hen...
shikast khurda gidarr!!!mujhy meri tarikh mat batao ....sirf ye dekho k
tumhary SHUMALI ETTIHAD ny U.S k sath milkarr kia gul khilaaey thy!!!
btw Great afghan k naary lagany waly !!!jab pashto ki baat aayi ...to bolti band kion ho gai??!!
aik hi bat sadiq aati hy aap pr k..
khisyani billi khamba nochy!!!
qissa mukhtasir....aap ki akrri hoyi gardan pr aik hi fiqra kahun gi
"rassi jal gai pr bal na gay!!kia samjhy!!?

[Michin Khel]

Pashtun=Afghan, everyone seeing themselves not as Afghan cant in any way be a pashtun. Living in Kp you are still afghan, only temporary occupied by punjabis. If Ahmed shah Durrani would hear some of these paki dhalkhor sellouts he would rise from his grave and give them their punishment. these unloyal slaves of punjabis.

Afghan:


Paki:

If some how ahmad shah baba is brought to life and before him are presented luffy and kingofariana,the burger-khor. He would recognize in me the same marwat whose tribe's chief alam khan contributed 200 horsemen to his 1761 war of panipat. We would meet in the manner like two pashtuns always meet. Then he would look at patloon, jeans wearing kingofariana , the burger-khor. He wont be able to recognize such maghrab-zada specie. He might unsheath his sword and behead such burger eating mumi papa abomination.

[Arooj Khan]

If some how ahmad shah baba is brought to life and before him are presented luffy and kingofariana,the burger-khor. He would recognize in me the same marwat whose tribe's chief alam khan contributed 200 horsemen to his 1761 war of panipat. We would meet in the manner like two pashtuns always meet. Then he would look at patloon, jeans wearing kingofariana , the burger-khor. He wont be able to recognize such maghrab-zada specie. He might unsheath his sword and behead such burger eating mumi papa abomination.

Der alaaa
hahahahahahaha rikhtya khabara de oka...

[haviZsultan]

Hats off to you!! Havizsultan brother...
its rightly said" so sunar ki aik lohar ki"
you realy deserve to be called a true patriotic pashtun of PAKISTAN,
The way they tried to humiliate you ,blamed you for being an indic,degrading the talent of a PATRIOT AUTHOR,has revealed their intentions,illwills for pakistan and partial behaviour.I salute your courage,
patience and irresistibility to stand fast before such merciless opposers.
They are dubious about your Ideas and identity,but believe me I was shocked when some of them unveiled themselves and their identity.
These poor COMMENTATORS can do nothing except pulling others legs in politics ,how can they digest that an "impure pakhtun(as they call us )
is gonna write a book on the fate of PAKHTUNSSSS!!!
I appreciate your sagacity to prove your statement"(Afghans have been taught this from birth, that Pakistani Pashtuns are british sellouts, Punjabi slaves, Pakistan is evil etc etc)"
When you made it ,some of the members strongly denied ..
but Its crystal clear to everybody.
you are criticised for creating fuss, but what are great afghan brothers doing here.Are they preaching??!!!or doing JIHAD?!!
Rather their false pride has driven them mad !!!

Thank you dear sister. ستاس څخه مننه

Hope thats right... lol. My Pashto/Urdu script is pathetic.

Thank you for supporting my book. It was my sincere hope that our people would support my book and appreciate it. It means a lot to me that Pashtuns buy the book but all I got from Afghans was insults and abuse.

I know that there are many Pashtuns who will appreciate the book and I have friends who have appreciated but for an Afghan the thinking is like how can a **** from the south write a book. They know nothing about it but have criticized it so much that I even started losing hope in it. How can you criticize a book thats not even out yet... in which I am trying to present Pashtuns are biggest victims in war on terror and focus on their suffering and how they've been manipulated? But they don't understand. For them my thinking, everything I say or do on Pashtuns is negative.

Though the book is fiction. Its a novel though through the storyline it raises many of the problems arising for Pashtuns since the war on terror. Its completely based on the Pakistani Pashtun.

You are right. The afghans false pride and racism is taking him backward. He should be focusing on creating unity with the tajik, hazara and uzbek. Instead his attention is to the south. How will he develop in this case when his only purpose is unification of south even though the south does not want this. He is living in dreams 200 years ago when his eagerness to save his own neck hadn't caused him to throw the southern **** away to the British.

If some how ahmad shah baba is brought to life and before him are presented luffy and kingofariana,the burger-khor. He would recognize in me the same marwat whose tribe's chief alam khan contributed 200 horsemen to his 1761 war of panipat. We would meet in the manner like two pashtuns always meet. Then he would look at patloon, jeans wearing kingofariana , the burger-khor. He wont be able to recognize such maghrab-zada specie. He might unsheath his sword and behead such burger eating mumi papa abomination.

Luffy... that comment cracked me up so bad. lol @t Afghans thinking of themselves as superior and calling all of us slaves and sellouts.

Kingofariana he is absolutely right. lolz.

I'm still laughing Luffy. My respect for you has grown greatly.

[Michin Khel]

Just dropped in to reply to this post. Otherwise I'll be labeled a coward and my ability as a poster will be doubted. Not that I'll be treated well in either case.



I wonder if you fanatics and racists ever consider the silliness of your beliefs. You are trying to prove I have no pride in Pashtun history and you are the only one that do. Nice try.

Pashtun is a race. Pakistan is a country. So the argument that because Pashtuns have 2000 year old culture we can't be part of a 60 year old country is false, broken and childish.

Plus people live and die in 60 years. Enough time to build loyalty to motherland. Move on. Try to fit in and Pashtuns will make a place in Pakistan... eventually dominate it. Since they are taking part in society not sitting in a corner alienated like you our people will make an impact. Don't believe me? A Pashtun-Imran Khan is going to win the next elections.


Wroar, PASHTUNS did this. Pashtuns created Pakistan. Let me get India-Pakistan partition-Jaswant Singhs book-it has a vote count and how many seats aiml won. What was at that time NWFP voted overwhelmingly for the Muslim League. Do you hear? For the Muslim League advocating an independent Pakistan! Not a Pashtunistan! Bacha Khan was loved... we love him. But we believe strongly in Pakistan.

So you are going to kill us all? Wrong question. You probably are out of your selfishness-who cares about the common people who just want food on their plate and a roof over their heads-and love Pakistan despite their wretchedness.

Thank Allah Pashtunistan is going no where. Right now is war on terror time. It ends and Pashtun alienation will end too. People like you will be left alone... or with your Afghan brethren who will continue pushing you onwards but you will have no support in Pakhtunkhwa. Even the Afghans will abandon you one day claiming you are a coward and son of the British. The only way to prove you aren't a coward is to pick up a gun and commit genocide on the Punjabis... who's only fault of course is that they are Punjabis. Not that you'll leave the Pashtuns who believe in Pakistan alone.

I will try to get the results for the elections and how each time Muslim League won heavy support in Pakhtunkhwa.

Bravo What you are doing is telling a dedicated person to the Pashtun cause his own history, his own heroes all of which he loves. Brilliant work.

You are also running on the assumption that I am a Punjabi. lol. A great flaw... but a brilliant way to discredit a poster is to call him a Punjabi or say he has a multiple account. This has been going on on this site for long. People don't even care anymore.

And you are wrong about our heroes too. These people you mentioned are indeed Pashtun heroes. But so are Abdur Rab Nishtar, so are Lalak Jaan, so are Mohammed Aslam Khattak, so are Inayatullah Khan of Charsadda.

A link for you. Hope u love Rehman Baba, Pir Rokhan and Khushal Khan Khattak with the Pakistani flag.

HaVi Sultan's Graphic Design-7 Pashtun Logos

I won't go over this again. Check the election results and how Pakhtunkhwa voted overwhelmingly for Muslim League and Quaid E Azam. Crowds literally were throwing themselves on him when he visited Peshawar. The division was not imposed.

People like you only consider the history till up to 300 years ago your history. You do not even count the Pashtuns struggle for Pakistan. A fundamental flaw.

This is the natural order. Boundaries change... the world changes. Most Pashtuns are happy with the current borders. The durand line does not exist in the heart of Pashtuns and they love each other. But division from land is not an option.

Of course it is. ANP says it to score some points. But you would be foolish to think all Pashtuns think of it in the same sense as you.

It just proves the level you have advanced to. Your own brothers are garbage to you because they identify with different ideas. Yet the Afghans are your brothers. The same people who treated Pashtuns as garbage are your people. Pakhtunkhwa was taxed into oblivion by them. Just to save their own people they gave up all of Southern Pakhtunkhwa as a gift. This is how they treated you. But hey lets all unite. I'm sure the Afghan will treat us very well. Plus we already have a terrorism situation in our parts. Lets form a terrorist country together by joining with Afghanistan and suffer daily bombings. A united nation will make the terrorists stronger and the military will be much weaker.

Pakistani Pashtuns don't want you either. You must understand the Pakistani Pashtun wants no one to destroy his chances within Pakistan. Known as loyalists our people die as loyalists. You scare the Pakistani Pashtun because you may cause our people to lose everything he has built with careful hard work. When your patriotism begins to be doubted your chances are greatly weakened. We won't get jobs, we won't get funds... while you will be sitting happily in Canada the Pashtuns will be pushed at the Punjabis feet. Is that what you want?

People like you love to claim Pashtuns would have no problem if Pakistan didn't exist. This is a canard. The terrorism situation will not end even if Pakistan ends. I guarantee that.

Intolerance has been bred within Pakistanis... and Pashtuns (30 Million who are Pakistanis)... are you dreaming or is it really going to end just by eradicating one state?

This post proves that you and me talking is useless. How easily you discarded the struggle of the Pashtun people for Pakistan. It doesn't matter to you. All that matters is your own selfish interests.

You have no idea what the vast majority of Pashtuns want. Plus there is no proof Abdur Rab Nishtar was a Hindko speaker and even if he was it would make him no less Pashtun. But you are a racist. To convince you of this would be a great waste of time.

I feel sad talking to you.

But heres food for thought. By leading us into a union with a country with less than half a gdp per capita . Such a country will be dominated by the north. Its already dominated by the Tajiks. If you don't believe check the percentage of Tajiks in governance and the armed forces and you will know.

Your beliefs are so silly, so childish yet you continue promoting them. Please do. The Pakistani Pashtun will ignore you. You're sitting in Canada anyway. lol.

There is absolutely no guarantee. Not even an inkling that Pashtun culture and identity will be stronger by uniting with Afghanistan. Instead you will be dominated by Farsi and farsiwan's. Afghanistan isn't a Pashtun country. Its a farsi dominated country... that is struggling from a huge identity crisis. They don't know whether to call themselves Pashtun,

Don't let the Afghans fool you with their Ultra-Nationalism. Americans have made sure the Tajik controls Afghanistan and Pashtun is at his feet. Afghans are taught Farsi in their schools. Theirs no indication the Afghan Pashtun will abandon his Tajik, Hazara, Uzbek brothers which is the only way to guarantee sucess of Pashtun culture and language. You are living in a dream. Wake up please.

Pashtuns are seen as terrorist supporters and sponsors because of shadowgovernor and afghanistan2010. No... but why try to fix the reputation of the Pashtun... why build schools, why feed the Pashtun, why bring him to a better standard of living? Lets lead him to total annihilation by making him rebel against Pakistan (Which will inevitably lead to the death of Millions.)

Why don't you go to Pakhtunkhwa and aggressively push for separation from Pakistan first? Gather some kind of support in Pakistan first. Of course I forgot. Your ideas have no supporters in Pakhtunkhwa.

I can only say people like you are leading the Pashtuns to suicide. There is no way for the two sides uniting without vast needless bloodshed. Tormana as a person dedicated to the Pashtun cause I request you to stop this before you spoil the chances for the rest of the Pashtuns. In your heart even you know how racist towards us the Afghan is... you are dreaming Tormana. Come back to reality. I say this as a person from your side...

Yon know in the rest of India, only the assembly members of the Muslim majority provinces were asked to give their vote. Bengal and Punjab assemblies voted for the partition and thus the provinces were divided. Sindh assembly was asked to vote for Pakistan. Why not then NWFP assembly also? The reason was obvious. Here the Khudai Khidmatgars were in Majority in the assembly, the decision would have been that of the Khudai Khidmatgars. The Muslim League did'nt want that. The elected assembly was ignored to give Muslim League political advantage in future government in Pakhtoonkhawa. The only meaningful purpose of this referendum would have been if it would have included the option of ¡°afghanistan¡±. When the elected representatives of the province were demanding it , such an option should have been considered. A referendum is only meaningful if it gives a genuine choice to the electorate. People were asked to chose between non-muslim india and Pakistan, they naturally opted for the one with whom they were sharing religion.

[Michin Khel]

Thank you dear sister. 1…11„21ƒ91…1 131„61‡1 1†91‡01‡01‡1

Hope thats right... lol. My Pashto/Urdu script is pathetic.

Thank you for supporting my book. It was my sincere hope that our people would support my book and appreciate it. It means a lot to me that Pashtuns buy the book but all I got from Afghans was insults and abuse.

I know that there are many Pashtuns who will appreciate the book and I have friends who have appreciated but for an Afghan the thinking is like how can a **** from the south write a book. They know nothing about it but have criticized it so much that I even started losing hope in it. How can you criticize a book thats not even out yet... in which I am trying to present Pashtuns are biggest victims in war on terror and focus on their suffering and how they've been manipulated? But they don't understand. For them my thinking, everything I say or do on Pashtuns is negative.

Though the book is fiction. Its a novel though through the storyline it raises many of the problems arising for Pashtuns since the war on terror. Its completely based on the Pakistani Pashtun.

You are right. The afghans false pride and racism is taking him backward. He should be focusing on creating unity with the tajik, hazara and uzbek. Instead his attention is to the south. How will he develop in this case when his only purpose is unification of south even though the south does not want this. He is living in dreams 200 years ago when his eagerness to save his own neck hadn't caused him to throw the southern **** away to the British.



Luffy... that comment cracked me up so bad. lol @t Afghans thinking of themselves as superior and calling all of us slaves and sellouts.

Kingofariana he is absolutely right. lolz.

I'm still laughing Luffy. My respect for you has grown greatly.

Manana. Pashtuns of afghanistan are culturally very strong pashtuns. But unfortunately they are represented by a small minority , the tajikized ones. Check their tv channels, there are about 21. Only one or two are in Pashto , rest are in dari. Even on these one or two pashto channels, newscasters speak pashto in heavy dari accent. 90% of newspapers in afghanistan are in dari. Afghanistan national army is tajik majority. Believe me burger-khor afghans like kingofariena cant show off their "pashto" before us. In hayatabad i mistake such afghans for tajiks.

[pashtanajan]

All of you have so much time on your hands. Both Afghanistan and Pakistan are failed states.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Pashtun=Afghan, everyone seeing themselves not as Afghan cant in any way be a pashtun. Living in Kp you are still afghan, only temporary occupied by punjabis. If Ahmed shah Durrani would hear some of these paki dhalkhor sellouts he would rise from his grave and give them their punishment. these unloyal slaves of punjabis.

That's absurd; the word Afghan has changed meanings over time; Today Afghan is a national identity which encompasses many ethnicities who are not Pashtun, including Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Hazaras, and none of these are Pashtun. In 2012 Afghan has little to do with being Pashtun.

If Ahmad Shah Abdali were here today. he wouldn't say anything, he wasn't a Pashtun Nationalist; he had Tajiks, Balouch , Pashtuns, Uzbeks, Brahuis, Turks, Qizilbash who fought with him and under him. He was originally apart of the Persian army under Nadir Shah Qoli; and he fought the Ghilzai Pashtuns who ruled Qandahar at the time. He actually originally invaded India at the request of Indian Muslims; so there's little to believe he had any animosity against Punjabis. That is a modern attitude, not one that existed in his time.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

yeah I doubt Ahmad Abdali would look at KingofAriana and think he's a Pashtun, KingofAriana by his own admission admits that he's more westernized than the Western people. If Abdali saw him,he'd probably think KingofAriana is a European imposter and then have him beheaded.

[Admin Khan]

Greetings, you said:

Wrong. By this I remind the Afghan that Pakistan exists. I remind him that the vast majority of Pashtuns accept Pakistan and identify themselves as Pakistanis

The only thing you are reminding me of, and displaying is your hypocrisy, alongside your obvious insecurity. Nearly everybody who you’ve had discourses with on this board is from Pakistan, the vast majority being from Swat valley, to be precise. Havi, do you remember what the proud Pakistani Army did there? Nobody has a problem with Pashtuns loving Israel, or Pakistan, that’s their individual choice. I, however, have a problem when you begin shoving down the throats of others your beliefs, such that they have to love this Banana republic. That includes your shameless attempt of serving as our representative. Vast majority says this, or that. Who are you to speak on behalf of us? The reason why I say this is because you seem to constantly mention Pashtuns of Pakistan feels this way, or that way, even when some Pashtuns of Pakistan here are debunking what you are saying, you still want to live in your own fairy-tale imagination of how all Pashtuns of Pakistan are somehow loving citizens of the banana republic, denying everything in hope of this is all being a nightmare. Despite us being killed and suffering the most, you still wish to believe Pashtuns have hope in the Pakistani government.

Underlying beneath it I am humbly begging him to respect our country before every chance of any positive relations developing with him is destroyed.

No Pashtun has to respect ‘your country’; respect is something that is earned. A* nation that sells its self for some US dollars, that kills its own ‘citizens’ for some aid needs not respect. Such a meaningless nation deserves to be criticized, alongside Afghanistan. Both are failed nations, but you see your problem is you wish not to believe in this. Your verbal attans are not going to work, no matter how many pseudo Pashtun-related books you author. Notice have I haven’t praised Afghanistan either. I hope you have enough skills to realize that.

But you will not understand this. For you the cause of all evil is Pakistan.

You see, I understand Pashto isn’t your first language, which I understand you can learn, and I honestly hope you learn your language, but being an author, I’m surprised at how terrible of an analytical thinker you are. Holy cow. Where in the world did I say ‘all’ the evil is Pakistan? Don’t mistake me for yourself wrora. Let me tell you this in Urdu, since clearly English and Pashto is not getting in that head of yours, merai aap ka rag-tag Pakistan ke sat kuch lena dena nahein hain paaji. Mein nein kabhey nahein bola hain ke aap ka banana republic evil hain. Sirf ya bola hain ko Pakistan ko paiso ke chakar hain. The fact that you area hiding our discrimination under the carpet is amusing. Pashtuns have been slaughtered, and the Pakistani government has not done a thing about it aside from harboring and supporting terrorism, and opening LUMS equivalent of training camps in our land for their ‘strategic depth’. Interesting Havi, when we speak up, we are told we are evil? And how we view the nation as evil? What kind of silly, childish logic is that? Do you need evidence Havi? Before you respond, you have to prove that I said your nation is the cause of “ALL” evil. If you don’t, you owe an obvious apology for lying. Something which given your past track record, I don’t find alarming.****

Here is someone who claimed Pakistani Pashtuns are slaves. KGOD's post.

I don’t know what he said, or where he said this. Provide proof. Aside from that, what does that have to do with me, as an individual? When two grown men are talking, don’t get someone else involved. That’s not how ‘we’ Pashtuns acts.*

At least he speaks the truth which many Afghans don't have the courage to speak.

Malgara, let me make this in simple terms for you. Clearly, you still don’t get it.Pashtun = Afghan. If you know a thing or two about Math, you should know what the aforementioned means. This is historically proven, and even*today*Pashtuns who are inhabitants of modern day Pakistan view themselves, and are considered by the government as ethnic Afghans. Since you are clueless of ground realities, ask Shehbaz Khan or Luffy. So stop working so hard to cause this “Afghan Pashtun this, Pakistani Pashtun that”. All Pashtuns are Afghans, it’s their ethnic group. Our language, Pashto, even went as far as being referred to as Afghani by international scholars. You can never hide from this obvious fact Havi. This isn’t a theory, it’s a known thing. Read a book or two about Pashtuns, and you will understand why Pashtun and Afghan are interchangeable.*

The condition of the Pakistani Pashtun would be far worse if ruled by the Afghan.

This is evidence for what I said right above. Do some research Havi, the Pashtun culture and history did not begin when Pakistan was given birth by the British, we have a culture, and history. Pashtun and Afghan are not intertwined, they are the same thing! So what you said above makes no sense at all.*

Lol. I don't know what makes you say that. I have not quit the site and am right here. Having the last word does not make you right.

Unrelated. Laughing is something you are really good at, when we get blown up just lol Havi, lolserz power!*[quote]There I admit that I do not have the raw energy needed to respond to your posts which

1) criticize the poster2) Deny what is my reality (though I admit it might not be yours for reasons I mentioned before-you have been taught a totally different version of history and since the division we have had a different history in terms of our struggle for Pakistan while you continued banging the drums of Pashtun unity and oneness.)

Finally you’ve made your agenda clear, so it’s my drums huh? Well listen to me carefully pal, I will aways bang the drums of Pashtun unity. Sorry if that offends you, I really do apologize if I have hurt your feelings while I bang my drums, as you mentioned. Pashtun unity and oneness, something which you mentioned above, will always be my priority. You are right in a sense, that I haven’t (thank god) been brainwashed with Pak studies, the way many have been.

To be truthful I feel you find it difficult to accept different opinions because of your history and your own education system. Especially those views representative of the Pakistani Pashtun.

You must be a comedian. If I didn’t accept “opinions” you wouldn’t be posting here. Anybody can vouch that our administration accepts all kind of members provided that they follow our rulebook. I think you are an insecure, brainwashed pseudo intellectual, but I respect your opinion. You see, that was my opinion. You might think I am some sort of Godzilla, but that’s your opinion. To be frank, I’ve been criticized, and I’ve debated many of your likes before, and never have I ‘banned’ them because I couldn’t handle their opinions. The entire board can vouch for this. You don’t have to stoop so low for no reason. If you are going to post something, I will quote you, and share my opinion on it. You can either ignore it, or respond with a rebuttal. I’m sorry if you weren’t taught this, but this is how we roll here. We don’t ban members if they have opposing views, like some Pakistani forums. Also, here we go again with the Pakistani Pashtun this, Afghan Pashtun that. It’s almost as if you are a broken radio, for the sake of whichever God you believe in, visit our Kitabtoon and read some books – please educate yourself before you speak on our affairs.*[quote]*May

[KGODB]

In accepting Pakistan, lar Pakhtuns accept being Indians. We
Have to respect their wishes. They chose to be Indian Pashtuns. God bless them. We are Ariana Pashtuns