A proud Pakistani Pakhtun feeling???

[Niazi]

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[haviZsultan]

CaN U translate. I can`t read urdu-pashto script... too westernized maybe

what is it aboutÉ

[Michin Khel]

CaN U translate. I can`t read urdu-pashto script... too westernized maybe

what is it about0‡7

And you are writing a book on pashtuns uff khudaya
Who would be an idiot to translate the whole article?. Any how the swati teenager is complaining about attitude of punjabis towards pathans , he is asking questions which i was asking when i was a teenager like him. He says that he has recieved a pathan joke, he is upset. He says that when he goes to islamabad and punjab and look at him with weird eyes and they laugh at their urdu accent and in pakistani media they are presented as chokidaars, thieves , clowns etc. He further says that opposite to that we pathans give great melmatiya to punjabis when they tour his swat and consider them their muslim bros. He then give example of a pashtun hospitality to punjabis that he observed in swat.
Then innocently he says at the end that we all are pakistanis and we muslims are all equal whether we are white and black blah blah

This teenager remind me of myself when 15 or 16 like him and i was asking the same questions. But my conclusion was different....i studied history of pashtuns and arrived at different conclusion that wow we have ruled over india, we were never subjugated by british and i learnt that pashtuns are deeply connected to afghanistan.
The kid who has written article, is ripe for change. He just needs guidance. A person like me can the surface the pashtun deep inside him. But if he was ever exposed to PFers or other e-pashtuns of west, they destroy him by calling him brainwashed paki dhaalkhor, slave of punjabis....he would retract back to pakistanism and would forget about pathan jokes and punjabis.

[Arooj Khan]

Pakistani Pakhtuns

Absolutely ryt Niazi !!! Being a Pakistani Pakhtun I totally agree with you .
I myself observed a couple of incidents tht some illmanered , illiterate Punjabis taunting Pakhtunz n pointing at them in a very silly way in their stupid jokes.
Being a true Pakistani I really respect all the people of 4 provinces (including Punjabis) except these
so called " WISE , EDUCATED , INTELLIGENT N PATRIOTS" .
We know very well our dignity n honour btt the reason of their jealousy is tht they are afraid of our talent , bravery , and our worldwide status . And the irony of the situation is tht on one side they are underestimating us while on the other the same people are writing "KHAN" after their names .Sorry if I hurt someone's feelings !!!! btt this is what "They" make us say it

[haviZsultan]

Absolutely ryt Niazi !!! Being a Pakistani Pakhtun I totally agree with you .
I myself observed a couple of incidents tht some illmanered , illiterate Punjabis taunting Pakhtunz n pointing at them in a very silly way in their stupid jokes.
Being a true Pakistani I really respect all the people of 4 provinces (including Punjabis) except these
so called " WISE , EDUCATED , INTELLIGENT N PATRIOTS" .
We know very well our dignity n honour btt the reason of their jealousy is tht they are afraid of our talent , bravery , and our worldwide status . And the irony of the situation is tht on one side they are underestimating us while on the other the same people are writing "KHAN" after their names .Sorry if I hurt someone's feelings !!!! btt this is what "They" make us say it

Nice to see a fellow patriot like me... but you have pointed something that is entirely true.

Perhaps this bias is the exact, EXACT reason why we have people like Luffy Khan and other alienated Pashtuns in Pakistan. Often people think this is only from Punjabis. Absolutely wrong. I am a Karachite and I can tell you many urdu speakers have exact same biased attitude towards Pashtuns.

These *******s do not think beyond their race and are the primary cause for alienating their own people. Initially when i came to the forum (Pashtunforums) I actually felt angry with brothers from my own side (Afghans have been taught this from birth, that Pakistani Pashtuns are british sellouts, Punjabi slaves, Pakistan is evil etc etc), Pakhtunkhwa involved in such childish thinking.

But everything has an underlying cause and every cause has an effect as my book, Badal states.

Constant mistreatment, discrimination, bullying and harassment of Pashtuns from these kind of brainless people has led to this. These idiots are weakening Pakistan not the Pashtuns who are just reactionaries. Stupid reactionaries who don't know they will lose even the limited rights they have with this Pashtunistan crap but reactionaries alright.

We Pakistanis are the most racist people in the world. Not just punjabis... look at our people too... look at Pashtuns, reacting to racism with Punjab bashing of Pashtunforums. Everyone believes he is superior.

Pashtuns are and will always remain the iron sword of Pakistan, and will control the destiny of Pakistan, if you don't believe look at Imran Khan who will soon sweep elections hopefully. The Punjabis cannot stop them, nor can the urdu speakers and of course not the Afghans who try to emotionally charge our people in the name Pashtun Nationalism.

Pakistani Pashtuns need to take control from the Punjabis and Urdu Speakers and give chance to other Pashtuns by bringing them forward in powerful positions. And especially not counter racism with mad racism.

Sorry for the emotional B.S. but nice to see a patriotic Pakistani Pashtun.

[haviZsultan]

And you are writing a book on pashtuns uff khudaya
Who would be an idiot to translate the whole article?. Any how the swati teenager is complaining about attitude of punjabis towards pathans , he is asking questions which i was asking when i was a teenager like him. He says that he has recieved a pathan joke, he is upset. He says that when he goes to islamabad and punjab and look at him with weird eyes and they laugh at their urdu accent and in pakistani media they are presented as chokidaars, thieves , clowns etc. He further says that opposite to that we pathans give great melmatiya to punjabis when they tour his swat and consider them their muslim bros. He then give example of a pashtun hospitality to punjabis that he observed in swat.
Then innocently he says at the end that we all are pakistanis and we muslims are all equal whether we are white and black blah blah

This teenager remind me of myself when 15 or 16 like him and i was asking the same questions. But my conclusion was different....i studied history of pashtuns and arrived at different conclusion that wow we have ruled over india, we were never subjugated by british and i learnt that pashtuns are deeply connected to afghanistan.
The kid who has written article, is ripe for change. He just needs guidance. A person like me can the surface the pashtun deep inside him. But if he was ever exposed to PFers or other e-pashtuns of west, they destroy him by calling him brainwashed paki dhaalkhor, slave of punjabis....he would retract back to pakistanism and would forget about pathan jokes and punjabis.

Luffy, I feel sorry for you and what you must have gone through to make you the person who you are. As i said cause and effect... The punjabi idiots who mistreated u are the primary cause... because they started the cycle. My book states the one who starts the cycle needs to has his head cut off. Some day these kind of punjabis and urdu speakers will suffer a very bad fate for weakening the walls of Pakistan.

I sympathize with this person and have seen the biases myself in Karachi where I worked for a short period and it sickened me. Yet his calls for Muslim and Pakistani unity are something to take inspiration for especially for someone as alienated as you. If he didn't give up on Pakistan then why you?

I think that Pashtuns need to deal with this racism problem by being smart not by being emotional fools. I have tried to explain this to Admin Khana and requested him to stop the Pakistan bashing and trying to lead our people on a path of rebellion. But he was taught a different history and is shown dreams of Afghans leading the our so called British sellout Pashtuns and southern **** (who the northern kings nearly taxed into oblivion) to fight against "evil Pakistan." Truly thats how the Afghans see our people. No one can deny it. They don't accept Pakistani Pashtun culture as their own, they can't accept Peshawar as the heartland of Pashtun culture...

Then for people like Damalakandghar the best solution would be for Million's of Pashtuns to die in a fruitless war between Pashtuns and Punjabis and Pashtuns rebelling against their own state. He has stated this himself.

Luffy please understand Pashtuns have built their position through hard work and indescribable difficulty. Only a fool would like to lose what our ancestors have built. With the sacrifices of Lalak Jan, Karnal Sher Khan we have built our positions in Pakistani society.

If our people lose their position as patriots however and earn a reputation as seperatists everything will come crashing onto our very heads and patriotic Pashtuns will suffer because of the actions of a few misled Pashtuns. Its generally how people treat people who aren't loyal to their land... even I would favor a patriotic Pashtun for a job position than one disenchanted with the state.

Plus how is it "Pakistan's fault" that some of the Punjabis and Urdu speakers lack the brains and tolerance to treat Pashtuns well... if not out of love for their fellow Pakistani race then from love for Pakistan itself.

Pashtuns need to make sure they do not let emotions lead them to path of such utter idiocy that there is no Pakhtunkhwa to return to at all. I fear where these Afghans are leading our people.

[Michin Khel]

Absolutely ryt Niazi !!! Being a Pakistani Pakhtun I totally agree with you .
I myself observed a couple of incidents tht some illmanered , illiterate Punjabis taunting Pakhtunz n pointing at them in a very silly way in their stupid jokes.
Being a true Pakistani I really respect all the people of 4 provinces (including Punjabis) except these
so called " WISE , EDUCATED , INTELLIGENT N PATRIOTS" .
We know very well our dignity n honour btt the reason of their jealousy is tht they are afraid of our talent , bravery , and our worldwide status . And the irony of the situation is tht on one side they are underestimating us while on the other the same people are writing "KHAN" after their names .Sorry if I hurt someone's feelings !!!! btt this is what "They" make us say it

Things are not simple like that. Urdu speaking mohajirs are straight forward enemies of pashtuns. But pashtun-punjabi interactions are complex.
1- They are scared of pashtuns, its not that ordinary punjabis are aware of historical achievements of pashtuns, they are scared of the stereotypical pashtun. A kashmiri student told me that he was the first to take admission in islamia college peshawer, at the time of admission his family members were scared and concerned that he is going to peshawer, as pathans are very scary and dangerous people. I was travelling from bannu to lakki in coach and a punjabi was sitting on side me, he was saying that he was scared to death when he was transferred to bannu, but pathans are opposite they are great and nice people. I asked him that was it because of talibans? He said not particularly to talibans, in general i was scared of travelling in pashtun areas. It is stated that in subcontinent mothers used to scare their kids to sleep but telling them that otherwise pathan would come.
Punjabis are peasants and in their own hometown a pashtun can bully them. Sikhs are different and they butchered more than million punjabi muslims like sheeps. Pashtuns and sikhs, both have ruled and bullied punjabi muslims, and punjabi muslims have retialeted by inventing pathan and sikh jokes and laugh behind their backs. Punjab policemen can easily enter into house of a punjabi peasant, rape one of their woman and no one can do a thing about it.
2- They have skin colour and beauty complex: this is problem with all desis and punjabis are desis. They envy beauty and skin colour, eye colour of pashtuns and would compliment you right infront of your face. The reasons are historical, as all of their rulers, turks, afghans, mughals, british etc were fair people. In punjab, A fair skinned punjabi means that he is from good caste and family background.
3- When you cross indus , the culture of people across indus abruptly changes at 180 degree. Language, culture, customs, traditions , ways of life, approach to islam, all are different. Its become like clash of cultures. Both point out the differences to each other.
4- Punjabis main achievement is to make their culture, music, langauge etc part of mainstraim pakistani culture...for a punjabi urdu is like mother tongue and urdu is national langauge of pakistan. On the other hand urdu is very difficult for a pashtun and he speaks it wrong and with strong accent which is source of fun for punjabis. Imagine if some one speak incorrect english in your UK,canada, U.S with weird accent. The problem is that due to gulabi urdu and pathan jokes pashtuns are assumed as slow-minded , low IQ people unless you prove them wrong. Another reason is that in punjab only those pashtuns show their pashtun-ness who are labourers, watchmen, drivers etc so in their minds a pashtun would be usually a watchmen or driver. And the high profile pashtun families of good economic status settled in islamabad, pindi, lahore etc are shy to express themeselves as pashtuns. So a pashtun doctor, engineer, professor, officer do make them surprised.
5- Compititors and rivals..those punjabis who are educated and well-informed see you as a tough compititor and try to pull your legs down. In CSS and ISSB exams, the second most successful candidates next to punjabis ,are pashtuns.

[Admin Khan]

I have tried to explain this to Admin Khana and requested him to stop the Pakistan bashing and trying to lead our people on a path of rebellion. But he was taught a different history and is shown dreams of Afghans leading the our so called British sellout Pashtuns and southern **** (who the northern kings nearly taxed into oblivion) to fight against "evil Pakistan."

A big fat lie. Jhoot bolnai ke koi zaroorat nahein hain. What you did here is a typical Pakistani politician move. Misconstrue, or dare I say manipulate what your interlocutor says for some votes or sympathy. Think twice before you post fabrications. Never did I say that, never was that what I said. In fact, our exchange is here for everybody to read:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?p=602207#post602207

All I did was expose the lies which I felt need to be exposed, and show how illogical you sound.

[haviZsultan]

A big fat lie. Jhoot bolnai ke koi zaroorat nahein hain. What you did here is a typical Pakistani politician move. Misconstrue, or dare I say manipulate what your interlocutor says for some votes or sympathy. Think twice before you post fabrications. Never did I say that, never was that what I said. In fact, our exchange is here for everybody to read:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthr...207#post602207


All I did was expose the lies which I felt need to be exposed, and show how illogical you sound.

Bro without offense, I didn't say you said any of that. Of course u'll never call the southern Pashtuns **** because it will never fit the interests of "lar aw bar Afghan" but i described an attitude i have seen and felt... Northern Pashtuns feel southern Pashtuns are british slaves and sellouts, they usually don't say directly but indirectly thats the feeling Pakistani Pashtuns get.

Afghans feel their southern neighbours are lesser Pashtuns... or slaves of the Punjabis. Mostly because of their loyalty to Pakistan.

[Michin Khel]

Luffy, I feel sorry for you and what you must have gone through to make you the person who you are. As i said cause and effect... The punjabi idiots who mistreated u are the primary cause... because they started the cycle. My book states the one who starts the cycle needs to has his head cut off. Some day these kind of punjabis and urdu speakers will suffer a very bad fate for weakening the walls of Pakistan.

I sympathize with this person and have seen the biases myself in Karachi where I worked for a short period and it sickened me. Yet his calls for Muslim and Pakistani unity are something to take inspiration for especially for someone as alienated as you. If he didn't give up on Pakistan then why you?

I think that Pashtuns need to deal with this racism problem by being smart not by being emotional fools. I have tried to explain this to Admin Khana and requested him to stop the Pakistan bashing and trying to lead our people on a path of rebellion. But he was taught a different history and is shown dreams of Afghans leading the our so called British sellout Pashtuns and southern **** (who the northern kings nearly taxed into oblivion) to fight against "evil Pakistan." Truly thats how the Afghans see our people. No one can deny it. They don't accept Pakistani Pashtun culture as their own, they can't accept Peshawar as the heartland of Pashtun culture...

Then for people like Damalakandghar the best solution would be for Million's of Pashtuns to die in a fruitless war between Pashtuns and Punjabis and Pashtuns rebelling against their own state. He has stated this himself.

Luffy please understand Pashtuns have built their position through hard work and indescribable difficulty. Only a fool would like to lose what our ancestors have built. With the sacrifices of Lalak Jan, Karnal Sher Khan we have built our positions in Pakistani society.

If our people lose their position as patriots however and earn a reputation as seperatists everything will come crashing onto our very heads and patriotic Pashtuns will suffer because of the actions of a few misled Pashtuns. Its generally how people treat people who aren't loyal to their land... even I would favor a patriotic Pashtun for a job position than one disenchanted with the state.

Plus how is it "Pakistan's fault" that some of the Punjabis and Urdu speakers lack the brains and tolerance to treat Pashtuns well... if not out of love for their fellow Pakistani race then from love for Pakistan itself.

Pashtuns need to make sure they do not let emotions lead them to path of such utter idiocy that there is no Pakhtunkhwa to return to at all. I fear where these Afghans are leading our people.

Brother we cant blame afghans for their behaviour towards you , me and other pakistani pashtuns...a pakistani would be severely disappointed and angry at those kashmiri muslims who do not want to join pakistan. So imagine the anger of afghans who not only share religion with you but also langauge, culture, history, every thing. I dont blame admin khan and others for their anger and frustration when they see patriotic pakistani pashtuns choosing punjabis, sindhis etc over them. 60 years have passed and they have waited enough.
I have nothing in common with punjabis, if islam is the cause for living with them, then afghans are better muslims than desis. But as afghans always disappoint me , so my wishes are for pashtun unity and autonomy within pakistan. Believe me i am not a jerk, i respect those pashtuns who are patriotic pakistanis and i respect lalak jan shaheed and karnal sher khan. I am a law abiding and loyal citizen of pakistan. But if my people raised rebellion against pakistan i would go along with my people, not punjabis and other pakistanis.

[Admin Khan]

Bro without offense, I didn't say you said any of that. Of course u'll never call the southern Pashtuns **** because it will never fit the interests of "lar aw bar Afghan" but i described an attitude i have seen and felt... Northern Pashtuns feel southern Pashtuns are british slaves and sellouts, they usually don't say directly but indirectly thats the feeling Pakistani Pashtuns get.

Afghans feel their southern neighbours are lesser Pashtuns... or slaves of the Punjabis. Mostly because of their loyalty to Pakistan.

Since when did you become an authority to tell us how Afghans feel about fellow Afghans? Or how I feel about Luffy, or how he feels about me? Or how the South feels about the North. Cut off the propaganda bro, and I say that with utmost respect. There isnt any North Korea vs South Korea conflict amongst us Pukhtuns. Rest assured.

[Michin Khel]

A big fat lie. Jhoot bolnai ke koi zaroorat nahein hain. What you did here is a typical Pakistani politician move. Misconstrue, or dare I say manipulate what your interlocutor says for some votes or sympathy. Think twice before you post fabrications. Never did I say that, never was that what I said. In fact, our exchange is here for everybody to read:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?p=602207#post602207

All I did was expose the lies which I felt need to be exposed, and show how illogical you sound.

@sultan
I dont think admin khan has any where stated that lar pashtuns are sell outs, punjabi slaves etc. But its natural that as a darmand pashtun he cant help himself hating pakistan. And no pashtun nationalist in his right mind would shower love on pro-pakistani pashtun. Admin is a gentleman but ofcourse there are many afghans who have developed some resentment towards pakistani pashtuns and call them pakis, punjab slaves, brainwashed, traitors, dhalkhors etc..which is not helping the situation.

[Michin Khel]

Bro without offense, I didn't say you said any of that. Of course u'll never call the southern Pashtuns **** because it will never fit the interests of "lar aw bar Afghan" but i described an attitude i have seen and felt... Northern Pashtuns feel southern Pashtuns are british slaves and sellouts, they usually don't say directly but indirectly thats the feeling Pakistani Pashtuns get.

Afghans feel their southern neighbours are lesser Pashtuns... or slaves of the Punjabis. Mostly because of their loyalty to Pakistan.

These are regional biasis. A pashtun of mountain generally look down upon pashtuns of plain areas. Pashtuns of rural areas look down upon urban pashtuns. Pashtuns of afghanistan (who were not subjected to rule of sikhs and british) look down upon pashtuns of pakistan...these are though generalizations

[Khostai]

PAshtuns from Afghanistan don't hate Paki pashtuns, we just don't like the type of peopel who hate taliban in Pakistan but are chearing when a suicied bom explodes in Afghanistan, that kind of type we hate, and if you are that kind then we hate you too.

[JattApache]

Things are not simple like that. Urdu speaking mohajirs are straight forward enemies of pashtuns. But pashtun-punjabi interactions are complex.
1- They are scared of pashtuns, its not that ordinary punjabis are aware of historical achievements of pashtuns, they are scared of the stereotypical pashtun. A kashmiri student told me that he was the first to take admission in islamia college peshawer, at the time of admission his family members were scared and concerned that he is going to peshawer, as pathans are very scary and dangerous people. I was travelling from bannu to lakki in coach and a punjabi was sitting on side me, he was saying that he was scared to death when he was transferred to bannu, but pathans are opposite they are great and nice people. I asked him that was it because of talibans? He said not particularly to talibans, in general i was scared of travelling in pashtun areas. It is stated that in subcontinent mothers used to scare their kids to sleep but telling them that otherwise pathan would come.
Punjabis are peasants and in their own hometown a pashtun can bully them. Sikhs are different and they butchered more than million punjabi muslims like sheeps. Pashtuns and sikhs, both have ruled and bullied punjabi muslims, and punjabi muslims have retialeted by inventing pathan and sikh jokes and laugh behind their backs. Punjab policemen can easily enter into house of a punjabi peasant, rape one of their woman and no one can do a thing about it.
2- They have skin colour and beauty complex: this is problem with all desis and punjabis are desis. They envy beauty and skin colour, eye colour of pashtuns and would compliment you right infront of face. The reasons are historical, as all of their rulers, turks, afghans, mughals, british etc were fair people. In punjab, A fair skinned punjabi means that he is from good caste and family background.
3- When you cross indus , the culture of people across indus abruptly changes at 180 degree. Language, culture, customs, traditions , ways of life, approach to islam, all are different. Its become like clash of cultures. Both point out the differences to each other.
4- Punjabis main achievement is to make their culture, music, langauge etc part of mainstraim pakistani culture...for a punjabi urdu is like mother tongue and urdu is national langauge of pakistan. On the other hand urdu is very difficult for a pashtun and he speaks it wrong and with strong accent which is source of fun for punjabis. Imagine if some one speak incorrect english in your UK,canada, U.S with weird accent. The problem is
due to gulabi urdu and pathan jokes pashtuns are assumed as slow-minded , low IQ people unless you prove them wrong. Another reason is that in punjab only those pashtuns show their pashtun-ness who are labourers, watchmen, drivers etc so in their minds a pashtun would be usually a watchmen or driver. And the high profile pashtun families of good economic status settled in islamabad, pindi, lahore etc are shy to express themeselves as pashtuns. So a pashtun doctor, engineer, professor, officer do make them surprised.
5- Compititors and rivals..those punjabis who are educated and well-informed see you as a tough compititor and try to pull your legs down. In CSS and ISSB exams, the second most successful candidates next to punjabis ,are pashtuns.

I partly agree with you
But that's only the case of the uneducated people
Now we live in the 21th century, many things changed, the educated people don't think like that, it's just generalizations now.