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    The first movement was initiated by mystic, Bayazeed Ansari, from Kaniguram, South Waziristan. He was called 'Pir-Rooshan' (the saint of light) by his followers. He lived during the reign of the Mughal Indian Emperor Jalaludin Akbar (1542-1605). The Mughal emperor imposed a ban on him and his followers. Above all the supposedly secular Mughal ruler, Akbar, tasked mullahs to launch a politically-motivated religious campaign against the teachings of Pir-Rooshan. Prominent among the those mullahs are Akhund Darveza (a mullah of Tajik origin) and another Pir Ali Tirmizi (of Uzbek origin). These two state sponsored mullahs declared him Peer-Tareek (the saint of darkness) and assaulted his movement with a sustained malicious propaganda apparently rooted in Islam.


    Taliban are Pak Army proxies, not Pashtun nationalists - I


    One of the media and academia's axiomatic constructions about Pashtun is that Taliban are Pashtun nationalists. This construction is based on distorted one-sided information and selective references to the Pashtun history that too are misrepresented to concur with the notion that Taliban are Pashtun nationalists. Drawing upon the current Pashtun ground realities and history, I will argue that Taliban, both in Pakistan and Afghanistan, are mere proxies of the Pakistani state to wipe out forces of entho-nationalism among the Pashtun as well as temper with Pashtun cultural identity on both sides of the Durand line in the state pursuit of the foreign and domestic policy objectives set and controlled by the military establishment of Pakistan.

    Let me say on the outset that the Pashtun experience of having been assaulted with state proxies in garb of religion is not new. In the past the Mughal and the British states have done the same in order to force the Pashtun to behave in line with the states' strategic interests. There are basically three big pan Pashtun nationalist movements in the Pashtun history. All the three movements were perceived as clashing with the contemporary states' interests. Thus all the three were assaulted with states' proxies and propaganda skillfully camouflaged with religion.

    The first movement was initiated by mystic, Bayazeed Ansari, from Kaniguram, South Waziristan. He was called 'Pir-Rooshan' (the saint of light) by his followers. He lived during the reign of the Mughal Indian Emperor Jalaludin Akbar (1542-1605). The Mughal emperor imposed a ban on him and his followers. Above all the supposedly secular Mughal ruler, Akbar, tasked mullahs to launch a politically-motivated religious campaign against the teachings of Pir-Rooshan. Prominent among the those mullahs are Akhund Darveza (a mullah of Tajik origin) and another Pir Ali Tirmizi (of Uzbek origin). These two state sponsored mullahs declared him Peer-Tareek (the saint of darkness) and assaulted his movement with a sustained malicious propaganda apparently rooted in Islam.

    The second Pashtun nationalist movement was launched and led by Khushal Khan Khattak, well-known Pashtun poet, political leader and warrior. The nationalist movement led by him was fully supported by two other influential Pashtun tribal leaders, Darya Khan in Khyber agency and Aimal Khan in Mohmand agency. Arguably, Khushal Khan can be regarded as the founder of modern Pashtun nationalism. For the ethno-nationalist inspiration of future generations of Pashtun, Khushal Khan, also known as lord of pen, has left volumes of his Pashto poetry that is full of Pashtun nationalistic motivation, aim and expression. In one of his well-known couplets, he says this: 'Drast Pashtun la Kandahara tar Attoca sara yo da nang pa kar pat ao ashkar, pa yowa zhaba wail sara Pashto kro walay nashoo la yo bal khabardar' ( All Pashtun from Qandahar to Attock speak Pashto language (and) are (socio-culturally) one and the same, but are (politically) oblivion to one another). Khushal Khan's movement was suppressed by the most bigoted Mughal ruler of India, Aurangzeb Alamgir (1618-1707). One of the Khushal Khan's couplets in which he condemns the Mugahl ruler's atrocities is this in. 'Che pa noom Pakhtanay ghuseegi pray khawkheegi, Aurangzeb dasay badshah de da Islam' (He (Aurangzeb) derives pleasure from massacre of Pashtun, such is Aurangzeb's kingdom of Islam).

    The third great Pashtun nationalist movement was launched by Khan Ghafar Khan, popularly known as Bacha Khan. A prominent difference between Khushal Khan and Bacha Khan is that the former ran his movement with sword in form of armed struggle against the Mugahl army led by a fanatic Muslim ruler and the latter's movement was non-violent. Essentially, Bacha Khan's movement was for mass-scale social reformations in the Pashtun society in order to cleanse it from socio-cultural practices that hindered wide spread human development in the society, such as revenge or the inhibition towards modern education.

    The British-Indian and the successor Pakistan states used religious proxies to oppress Bacha Khan's movement. Wali Khan's book, Facts are Facts, contains interesting research about the role of mullahs against the Pashtun nationalist movement under the British Raj. Both the British-Indian and the Pakistani states never allowed Bacha Khan to enter the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) although despite all the states' opposition, his movement did inspire countless people across FATA, including many parents who sent their children to the schools established by Bacha Khan in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa areas on the border with FATA.

    Linked with Bacha Khan's movement was the mass scale social reform and state building agendas of Amanullah Khan, the great Pashtun King of Afghanistan (1919-1929). The king made arrangements for compulsory education for all Afghans and gave right to vote to women. Pashto was declared the official language of Afghanistan. He began to build a strong Afghan armed force, including the air force with help of the Russians, and initiated a process of industrialization. He tasked the Russians to build a road linking Tashkand with Kabul and Khyber agency in FATA. The king regularly used to read Pakhtun, a Pashto language magazine launched by Bacha Khan, and used to advise other people in Afghanistan to do so. The Pashtun, although divided by the British drawn artificial Durand Line, had turned their faces towards progress, development and ethno-national unity.

    All this was too much for the British rulers of India to bear because it was happening in the area that the British had assumed their buffer zones vis-a-vis Russia. Their first buffer zone, Afghanistan, and their second buffer zone, FATA, along with the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (formally NWFP) seemed going out of the British control coupled with a possible tilt towards the Russians. The British had to act to eliminate the reforms undertaken on both sides of the Durand Line. The British knew they could not do it militarily. It could have brought the British face to face with the Russians that the British never wanted. Secondly, the harsh experiences of the three Afghan wars had taught them that military intervention in Afghanistan is pointless. Thus they unleashed mullahs on Bacha Khan and King Amanullah Khan to rob their reform agendas of religious legitimacy. In case of the king the British lowered themselves to such an extent they made fake photos of his wife, Queen Soraya, showing her half naked. The photos were distributed in Afghanistan with the malicious propaganda that the king is not a Muslim in his personal and political life and hence cannot be king of the Pashtun, who are Muslim. Deadly chaos was created in Afghanistan in which Bacha Saqa took power who did with Afghanistan what the ISI backed Taliban did during their reign (1996-2001). Girls' schools were closed down, Afghan Shias were massacred, the state building agenda was rolled backed and Kabul was ravaged. Similarly, mullahs were also unleashed by the British to discredit Bacha Khan's movement as well.

    King Amanullah Khan's agenda for social reforms, imposed from above, was very vulnerable to conspiracies by anti-Pashtun forces, who exploited the vulnerability to the full. Contrary to this, Bacha Khan's movement for social reforms was firmly rooted in people's confidence that he and his followers had successfully won through direct interaction people in villages and towns. Thus his movement could be never rolled backed despite severe and prolonged oppression by the British-Indian and Pakistani states. Nevertheless, the implantation of the social reforms that both Bacha Khan wanted was thwarted by the successive states' oppressions. Imagine where the Pashtun as nation would have been today if the reform agendas undertaken on both side of the Durand Line had been carried forward.


  • #2
    pashtun nationalists are not pashtuns.
    High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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    • #3
      what about Karzai and the NA.
      Whos proxies are they of?

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      • #4
        LOoooool; Really... Miss Andersen??? Are you Mr Andersen's people's proxie? After all we still avidly await Miss Farhat Taj Andersen's explanation of which subclan the Andersen clan is and of which tribe. Let her open her big mouth once she actually lives like a pashtun and explains what kind of haramaay and beh nang person she knows she is with her hypocrisy of speaking for Pashtuns as an Andersen. She can talk once puts her real last name on all such articles in the Eastern press:

        Farhat Taj ANDERSEN
        "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
          LOoooool; Really... Miss Andersen??? Are you Mr Andersen's people's proxie? After all we still avidly await Miss Farhat Taj Andersen's explanation of which subclan the Andersen clan is and of which tribe. Let her open her big mouth once she actually lives like a pashtun and explains what kind of haramaay and beh nang person she knows she is with her hypocrisy of speaking for Pashtuns as an Andersen. She can talk once puts her real last name on all such articles in the Eastern press:

          Farhat Taj ANDERSEN
          Khkari chai Farhat Taj dar la kha "tiz ragai" ra ting karai dai---zaka kho wartha dasai pa qar yai---It would be more decent of you to counter her claims instead of attacking her person. But it seems you have beard (Hasan-ul-Bina or Osama style ?) all over your body.
          Last edited by DaMalakandGhar; 03-30-2012, 08:08 AM.

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          • #6
            Bayazid Ansari was of Baurki origin ....so he was also NOT a Pashtun.


            Bayazid Khan belonged to the Burki tribe and was an Urmar. Urmar/Burki of Kaniguram retain a keen desire to self segregate from the outside world by retaining strong kinship ties. Family narratives passed down vary on the origins of their forebears. One opinion however, is that their origins are Kurdish from an area known as Uromiyeh in Western Iran. Captain Leech[2] is the first person who has given some detailed notes on the Baraki Barak (Logar) dialect of the Ormuri language. He collected quite a few words and sentences and published them in "The Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal"[3] under the name of "A Vocabulary of the Baraki language". While introducing the tribe and its language, he says: "The Barakis are included in the general term of Parsiwan, or Tajak; they are original inhabitants of Yemen whence they were brought by Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni; they accompanied him in his invasion of India, and were pre-eminently instrumental in the abstraction of the gates of the temple of Somnath. There are two divisions of the tribe. The Barkis of Rajan in the province of Lohgad, who speak Persian, and the Barakis of Barak, a city near the former, who speak the language called Barki; at Kaniguram under Shah Malak who are independent. The Barakis of this place and of Barak alone speak the Baraki language. It is clear from Capt. Leech's "assessmnet" that he is mixing the Barakis up with the Baluchis, whose lineage does suggest a possible peninsula connection of some who came to the Baluchistan region in Mahmud of Ghaznavi's time. But the Baraki have been in the greater Afghanistan region much longer/prior to the tenth century.

            So basically This woman who claims she is Pashtun but allows a farangay male to mate with her, is praising a Tajik/Yemeni while claiming to be a Pashtun nationalist is accusing others of not being Pashtun, while similarly praising Non-Pashtuns as being Pashtuns.
            Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 03-30-2012, 08:10 AM.
            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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            • #7


              A Talib suicide bomber arrested by Afghan National Police---Could he be a Barakzai sent by Pakisan's ISI?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by shadowgoverner
                what does ansar mean?

                doesnt it mean somthing like a host?
                Ansari means descended from the Ansars during the time of Muhammad(saw)

                Khan Bahadur Sheikh Sadiq Ali Ansari wrote in Muslim Tribes in Sindh, Balochistan and Afghanistan published in 1901, Ansaris were originally Jews or Bani Israel. Their great ancestor, Shamul, was a physician and councillor in the service of King Toba, who was a king in Yemen. Toba, during the time of his reign, marched into Arabia and arrived in Yasrab, which was then the name of the town of Medina. He had four hundred physicians and councillors with him, of whom Shamul was the chief and they all told the king that they intended to settle down there as the last of the prophets would immigrate to that place and live there and they wished to be reckoned amongst his followers.
                Not sure how legit this is but I guess that is an explanation.
                [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DaMalakandGhar View Post


                  A Talib suicide bomber arrested by Afghan National Police---Could he be a Barakzai sent by Pakisan's ISI?


                  bhahahhahhaa
                  [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                  2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by shadowgoverner
                    no
                    but he could be dressed up for photoshoot.

                    i heard ms Anderson is very close with many men.

                    DemalakandHijra and co enjoying their freedom with a good performance.
                    SHABQADAR HIJRA ZUBAIR hijraTehkal Peshawar MPG - YouTube
                    Thanks grave yard of vampires urf shadogay governer.
                    And these seem to be some Barakzai juniors.





                    Two 10 Year-Old Suicide Bombers Arrested in Afghanistan

                    Three Taliban fighters and two young would-be suicide attackers are presented to media representatives with seized weapons in Kandahar. Two ten-year-olds who were pardoned by Afghan President around six months ago were caught again in Kandahar for planing to attack national and international forces, officials said. (AFP)

                    Two 10 year-olds would-be suicide bombers were arrested in Afghanistan this past week. The two had been previously arrested for a similar incident.
                    The AFP reported, via ROP:

                    Police arrested two 10-year-old wo



                    Last edited by DaMalakandGhar; 03-30-2012, 08:32 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by shadowgoverner
                      no
                      these are kids used for propaganda purposes.
                      probably some poor yatheem hungry kids used as propaganda in return for a good meal.
                      you people are pathetic.
                      and offcourse those 6 month old babies were also suicidebombers to you who were killed by your favourite soldiers in panjwai kandahar.

                      "oh i sleep with mr anderson but pashtuns are not good because they dont want to sleep with mr anderson".


                      That's just an excuse to evade the guilt of the Taliban.

                      You don't even know yourself, your remark is "probably" this is just what you're telling yourself. It doesn't disprove the situation.

                      Taliban are sick.
                      [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                      2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by shadowgoverner
                        no thats because you are desperate and hungry for propaganda.
                        there is no excuse.
                        the empire has invaded a country and would love to legitimise their invasion of the country and try to deligitimise the opposition.

                        this not the single time they do it.

                        there are numerous times.
                        -acid attack on women
                        -school burning
                        -killing of tribal elders

                        hell they have even invented an interview with mullah omar.

                        no wonder you americans become mature when you are around 50 years old(heard it from an american).

                        If it wasn't an excuse why do you need to say "probably" instead of definitely? And why do you have no evidence which corroborates your interpretation?Just because "other situations" may have shown sign of set ups, does this make every situation a set up. Your argument is easly dispelled by simple logic

                        Just because some explosions are caused by gas leaks, does that mean ALL explosions are caused by gas leaks? Clearly not.Your reasoning of citing "certain instances" is nothing more than a scapegoat. In other words an excuse.
                        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by shadowgoverner
                          almost everything the puppet government presents is set up to boost the moral of their soldiers and demoralise the enemy.
                          they show plenty of videos on Afghan national tv of talibans surrendering with their weapons locked and loaded.
                          now why would they parade them with their weapons cocked?
                          its because its a show,a fake.

                          there are many more instances such as cutting people's ears off.
                          do you remember aisha bibi with her nose chopped off along with her ears by a supposedly taliban foot soldier husband?

                          do you remember this guy?

                          Well then if that is a set up then is the fact that 17 civilians died in Qandahar also a set up? We only know it happened because the Afghan Government told us? If your logic was true, this would make the incident false wouldn't i?

                          But we know the incident happened, so this proves your argument false. Simple Logic.Your narration of something as being a "set up" does not make it so; you have no proof that these incidents are all set ups; thus you're making yet again more excuses.

                          The Taliban in other words are in fact using poor children to die for them. Which is sick and shows they're corrupt.
                          [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                          2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                          • #14
                            Actually look at the news sources within 24 hours of the incident


                            KABUL) was detained on Sunday in connection with shooting dead at least 17 Afghan civilians in the southern province of Kandahar, officials said. The inciden…


                            They all say pretty much similar things; that the media was informed by the Provincial Council in Qandahar. So there would have been no way it would have been known or even spread without them.
                            This was before they knew how many were actually killed..........and this was a few days later



                            They all name the same people as the original sources of the information.So your claim is merely a baseless narrative you assert, not how things actually were. If they were trying to cover things up; they wouldn't be the first to go the press. Your claim does not hold under logical analysis. Furthermore, I was told by one of the moderators that you're GraveyardofEmpires and I found one of your earlier threads

                            you were in fact defending this same guy you posted earlier and thanking posts that came to his defense.
                            Conversing the truth, lies and intelligence pertaining to the assessment of the Pashtun population across the Durrand line.


                            It seems to me you were originally trying to use him as instrument to exonerate the Taliban and their connections to Pakistan; but when it came to light he was saying that Pakistan command the Taliban you turned on him and discredit him as a government set up.


                            Those are the hallmarks of propaganda.
                            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                            • #15
                              I think the ISI and army is blamed for everything... maybe they are really trying to eradicate the Taliban and totally failing in the effort. Maybe they aren't capable of fighting a conventional war?
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