My questions to Jana,

[Michin Khel]

Your signature is blinding me. I suggest you take the health of members eyes into consideration.

The pain has not reached those in Peshawer, they live a very different live then those in the tribal regions. A few suicide bombings in Peshawer has big such a hot issue with the residents of Peshawer, but what if Pak jets blow up all their homes etc.

Then you will the pain.

Kind Regards

Peshawer has suffered a lot due to recent bomb blasts by the terrorists trained and sent from waziristan, it doesnt mean that i should fill myself with the intense hate for waziristan and its residents. Terrorists is baitullah mehsud and its men not common wazirs and mehsuds. But you on the other hand are talking non-sense, what has the sufferings and pain of waziristanis has to do with peshawaris. Why you are venting your frustration on peshawer?

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Peshawer has suffered a lot due to recent bomb blasts by the terrorists trained and sent from waziristan, it doesnt mean that i should fill myself with the intense hate for waziristan and its residents. Terrorists is baitullah mehsud and its men not common wazirs and mehsuds. But you on the other hand are talking non-sense, what has the sufferings and pain of waziristanis has to do with peshawaris. Why you are venting your frustration on peshawer?

He is basically saying that when the army comes and launches a similar operation, then the love for pakistan, pak army, etc will go. Basically, che thaso bandae raa naghla nu zakaa dasae yaee, che raasee nu da pakistan na ba thaubagaar shaee.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Peshawer has suffered a lot due to recent bomb blasts by the terrorists trained and sent from waziristan, it doesnt mean that i should fill myself with the intense hate for waziristan and its residents. Terrorists is baitullah mehsud and its men not common wazirs and mehsuds. But you on the other hand are talking non-sense, what has the sufferings and pain of waziristanis has to do with peshawaris. Why you are venting your frustration on peshawer?

But Wasnt Baitullah the first person to offer his mujahideen if India was to attack Pakistan, Wasnt it baitullah who a Pak army official called a Patrotic Pakistani?

I know your sort of people having a immense inner hatred towards Tribal Pashtuns but hide it by smiling and shaking hands.

How can i speak non sense, Ive been to Waziristan, Ive met all the Abdullah Mahsud taliban group in DI KHan, ive taken photos with one of the main commanders of the group, ive eaten with them, who are you to question my knowledge and experience, i spent 1 month helping out the IDPs in DI Khan and spent one week in Tank, I even attended the Mahsud jirga that told the Political agent to get lost and no Lashkar is going to be made, i asked and spoke with the tribals of their experience.

So Mr Luffy, what you have on me buddy? you act as Peshawer represents all Pashtuns, In the tribal areas, a person from Peshawer would be laughed at and booted out for not being a proper Pashtun, I suggest you open your eyes and look beyond Peshawer, or maybe one day, Peshawer will become its own country and state where Hindko will be official language.

Kind Regards

[Farhan88]

Pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa (not FATA) first allow talibans in their areas, then were disgusted and tired of their talibani actions, then made lashkars against them and sought help from Pak army.

Looooooool, so what u 're trying to say is that non-Pashtun Afghans didnt get tired for six years fighting the Taliban but Pashtuns of Pakistan themselves, who according to u infact supported Taliban, got tired of only supporting them and that also for just few months??? Hahahahahaha, what a joker! Dude, Taliban is made by your GOVERNMENT and your ARMY knows this damn well!

The only movement going on within pashtuns is talibanization but it is not separatist movement, its agenda is to influence whole pakistan.

And this very same agenda is put on by your lovely government to make entire nation look down upon Pashtuns and my my how successful they 're!

So how can you say that those pashtuns who consider themselves pakistani citizens are not pashtuns?

They actually 're Pashtuns 'cause the only sold out people on earth today 're amongst Pashtuns who 'll sell their people's blood to anyone, until those very same blood comes at costs of those people individually. I 've seen such ex pan-Pakiis before who became most anti-Pakiis ever after just visiting Pakhtunkhwa.

I dont know if you are Pakistani Pashtun or Pashtun from Afghanistan if you are the later one then what are you doing in Peshawar why dont you go back and support your country instead of sitting here.

A Pashtun is a Pashtun who has the right to be both in Afghanland and Pakhtunkhwaland land, u 're bloody none to refuse a Pashtun setting feet on his own land, no matter what side he belongs to.

So where am i sitting BTW ?? If Peshawar than so are you sitting hundreds of miles away from some parts of Afghanistan

Isn't it funny how Jana from the Pakii defence forum also lives in Peshawer? Uhhh.

RIP to your language. I can call you breed of Hindus too but i wont because i am not groomed to abuse others.

Ms/mr good-mannered-Pathani, what happened to your manners when u called me an Bhindu? Or is respecting Hindus out of ur league? In that case, respecting Pakiiland is out of league of other people.

Pakistani Pashtuns have been guarding not only their land

And what did we get in turn of getting one part of Kashmir from India, forming second largest group in the army and loving this cursed nation mroe than any other Pakii ethnic? Ha?

but we have also been always present for fighting any invasion by outsiders in Afghanistan.

Loool, Pakiiland couldn't save its own ass from British for all those centuries they were ruled against, u seriously claim they actually helped one of the strongest nations (in terms of beating the enemies) in fighting their enemy? Ye, make uncle Ben believe this.

Every country has some incompetent leaders that does not mean we should betray our country.

Ye, lets just betray our own people and stay loyal Punjapai puppies forever 'cause thats what your type of people mean with betraying their countries. Woef woef!

I dont know what race do you have but atleast we Pashtuns are not despicable race.

We actually 're, otherwise we wouldn't 've the most pitied on, most corrupt, most violent and most stupid people on earth.

[Nick]

Dear Nick according to you a person can not be called as pashtun if he consider himself as a pakistani citizen. What is the basis of your this theory? are you in misconception that magority of pashtuns east to durand are anti-pakistani ?
Socio-politically and economically pashtuns are integrated into pakistan. Their Daily life routines and activities are do not indicates that there is any kind of uprising against pakistan in fashion of bangladeshi movement. Even you will find that The weakest pro-pakistani pashtuns that is ANP-walas talk about soveriegnity and integrity of pakistan.
Ofcourse Waziristanis and bajauris are anti-pakistanis, but if you would give them option of independence and joining afghanistan, they will be in a fix and confusion. You will find IDPs of wazirsistan quarreling for distributing food in DIkhan from governament rather than fighting against the same governament. Those pashtuns who feel the unjust and deprivation, struggle for gaining of pashtun rights within scope of pakistan.
Military operations should have made the negative impact on patriotic feelings of pashtuns but it had not. Pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa (not FATA) first allow talibans in their areas, then were disgusted and tired of their talibani actions, then made lashkars against them and sought help from Pak army. The only movement going on within pashtuns is talibanization but it is not separatist movement, its agenda is to influence whole pakistan.
So how can you say that those pashtuns who consider themselves pakistani citizens are not pashtuns?

To my Dear brother Luffy:

according to you a person can not be called as pashtun if he consider himself as a pakistani citizen

Pakistani citizenship does not give proclivity over Race/tribe/ethnic and it never has and never will. I am myself a Canadian Citizen, my race/color/tribe and family class are accepted by Canadian Government, and to be honest we are happy being/living in a developed nation, but I regard that I wish I was in Afghanistan and I wish my country was developed like UAE or Canada, and economically speaking a Healthy nation as well. My Love and Pride for my Afghans, my family or my Race, is a totally different issue when it comes to comparing the the two. By Allah who is all knowing and seeing if it comes to matter of love and Hate, I will pick Canada to be Hate and Afghanistan to be Love. Now You figure what I mean by this. I would always be afghan and I will die as Afghan, for now my home is Canada and I know if I die today I will die as "Canadian Afghan". God Knows I am too young now, I have dreams of going to Egypt, maybe I die as an Egyptian citizen. Please be wise and think clearly about what I said, this is a respond to your above concern and I have given you a reasonable explanation.

Yes You can be Sikh, and still be Pakistani Citizen, yes you can be Baloch, and still a Pakistani Citizen, yes you can be a Sindhi, and still Core of Pakistani citizen, yes you can be Pashtun and yet still a Pakistani citizen, yes you can be an Arab and still a Pakistani citizen. The Question is DO YOU HAVE THOSE RIGHTS OF WHICH OTHER PAKISTANIS HAVE? Is your Race/People/tribes are accepted in that country?

are you in misconception that magority of pashtuns east to durand are anti-pakistani ?

Speaking of Majority. I believe I have no right to speak for What the Pashtuns of Pakistan think, but I will tell you one thing, and its all regarding a Pashtun Nature. By Nature Pashtuns are Muslims God Forbids they never think of destroying any Muslim city/state or country. As Muslims Pashtuns do not think sick and act like Punjabistan's Government sorry I mean Pakistani Government. They give love to their muslim brothers as they should and this was the teaching of Islam. By nature Pashtuns are obedience of Islam. Having said all of this, I shell say By Nature Pashtuns are humans, they are welcoming, loving and warm hearted people, but they also have love and pride for their own family/root/tribes/race and they have blood brothers just like you do. By nature no Pashtun would accept to have a border between their Veins. If you have Veins like the Pashtuns you shell never be separated from your Home/root/tribe/family, and if you somehow had to loss this connection, and you had to accept border between your veins ie Pakistan, then there could only be one reason, for the sake of Allah, for the Sake of Islam. BTW This was the massage from Politicians of Pakistan in 1944 when they called for Pakistan, their only reason of separation from Hindustan was for the sake of Islam.

A) Now you tell me do you think is Afghanistan a Kufar nation? That you think Pashtuns have chosen or accepted Pakistan over Afghanistan because it was for the Sake of Allah.

B) Or do you think Pashtuns have lost their roots, religion, and are now Hippocrates, and have become begayrat that they care about nothing and would fallow any nation and country and choose others over their homeland?

Socio-politically and economically pashtuns are integrated into pakistan.

You mean Pashtuns are integrated into Pakistan, socially, Economically, and politically. I disagree that is what I told Jana please don't generalize. The Pashtuns you are talking does not even represent 15% of the total Pashtun population.
The Pashtuns you trying to speak for are in two class a) The Pashtuns who can't fully speak Pashtu and by name have "Khan" as their Sir name, and know nothing about Pashtun ways social behavior, culture, tradition, maybe not a good example but Rahim Shah a singer
Or The b) The Pashtuns who have adapted urban cities such as I mentioned above in my respond to Jana, one good example is Karachi where the total population is between 2-3 million. Guess what What else can they do, if not involve in the politics of Pakistani world. Everyday these 2 or 3 million Afghan are working side by side with another 15 million Indics.
Therefore I disagree with your views of being "Integrated" Because the true meaning of integrated can apply only Heterogeneous or mixed/diverse populations where a a group of people are living far away from homeland. I am sorry but Pakistan is not a good example, for an Afghan being "Integrated" in other nations culture, society, politics and economics, India is a good example where large number of Afghan race have lost most of what they had in the first 3 generations and them "Indian Pathans" can truly be integrated lol not "Pathans of Pakistan" specially if they are millions of Homogeneous people roughly 8 or 9% of total Pakistani population (Although Pakistan claims that Pakistan is nation of Pathans because Pathan blood runs into 55% of the total population)

Their Daily life routines and activities are do not indicates that there is any kind of uprising against pakistan in fashion of bangladeshi movement.

The Bangladeshi movement LOL my friend at the beginning they were as happy as any Punjabi to be a separate nation, but Punjabis being dominated and calling the major calls, and also Influence of India etc. The Bangladeshi movement was developed within 3 years, and all the weapons, and money was provided by India. Bangladeshi Movement called for Jehad, maybe you want Pashtuns to call for Jehad as well? Is that what you are waiting for. Just because Pashtuns didn't call for Jehad it doesn't mean they want or accepted Pakistan. Right now there is no such organized movement, its just normal average people turning their back against Pakistan because of their fake lies and knowing their dirty secret plan of taking over Pashtun land and permanently making it part of Pakistan ie Israel vs Palestinian issue of 1950s-1960s.

Even you will find that The weakest pro-pakistani pashtuns that is ANP-walas talk about soveriegnity and integrity of pakistan.

LOL ANP lol that Party represents Urban Karachi like Pashtuns who have lived in major Indic cities for more then 2 generations, and those lost Pashtuns. ANP was long bought out by ISI, we all know this and that dirty game of Pakistan. ISI funds the ANP and how dear would ANP not to talk about Pakistani Sovereignty. We all Love their Talks, Talks because its true, but this Party never walks. I am not the first person to say this but after death of Bacha Khan ANP was long death, as well as its initial purpose of existence.

Military operations should have made the negative impact on patriotic feelings of pashtuns but it had not. Pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa (not FATA) first allow talibans in their areas, then were disgusted and tired of their talibani actions, then made lashkars against them and sought help from Pak army.

Again I shell tell you READ American politics and their excuse of giving Funds for the Pakistan between 2004-2006 large number of Funds to Pakistan, yes wanted Musharaf to buy out Tribal leaders, which is Why Taliban started killing them. The Lashkar is BS full of **** propaganda and usually people who are poor and after money, when coming face to face with Taliban, LOL they run, or join, and I found them to be two faced people. I tell you what study the captured **** Army history from 2005-2008 those who were captured and handed to Taliban were from Lashkar organization.

The only movement going on within pashtuns is talibanization but it is not separatist movement, its agenda is to influence whole pakistan.
So how can you say that those pashtuns who consider themselves pakistani citizens are not pashtuns?

LOL Talibanization lol is just an Excuse, them "Pakistani Talibans" as what Pakistani and Western Media calls them have openly said "We don't accept Pakistan sure Pakistani people are friends of ours but we don't like the Government.



Dear Luffy I regards to your Personal views and questions etc, I did in my best knowledge tried to apply both personal view and reflected views from Majority of Pashtuns. Please continue your research, never assume yourself to be knowledgeable of everything. Indeed Allah is all knowing we know to what we see and hear and read. As far as my research and my personal connection to Pashtuns, I conclude the Pashtun situation is the Afghan situation and Afghan situation is the Pashtun situation. Please refer to the above (RED) sentence of mine, its simple and clear if you are a true Pashtun you know what I just said, if you are not a Pashtun, please refrain from commenting. This is not about Talibanization or any other words which Media have thought you guys.

[Jana]

Your signature is blinding me. I suggest you take the health of members eyes into consideration.

The pain has not reached those in Peshawer, they live a very different live then those in the tribal regions. A few suicide bombings in Peshawer has big such a hot issue with the residents of Peshawer, but what if Pak jets blow up all their homes etc.

Then you will the pain.

Kind Regards

Stop sheltering terrorists and the jets wont pound you.

What a difference you are longing for launching operation in NW but cry over the same in SW

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Stop sheltering terrorists and the jets wont pound you.

What a difference you are longing for launching operation in NW but cry over the same in SW

Those same terrorists were called pakistani patriots by your very army. They used to call the problems between tsnm and Pakistan "misunderstandings". Then when the second round of operations were launched all of sudden swat taliban and others in TTP became Indian agents, fake mujahids, fake taliban (since they weren't fighting in Afghanistan, therefore according to the logic of super patriots they were fake). Interestingly, recently swat taliban under Fazllulah were fighting in Nuristan velayath. I guess now they are real mujahids right lolzz. This i hypocrisy of the highest order and is the exact reason people of Qibael hate the army. To be honest I don't blame them, even dogs are treated better than the way the Qibael were treated at the hands of Pak army and ISI.

BTW people point to N waziristan, because if the army is sincere they will clear that before any other place, since that is the hub of the major taliban groups and other allied outfits. It is like the pashto saying "daa gaz ao daa maidan."/

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Stop sheltering terrorists and the jets wont pound you.

What a difference you are longing for launching operation in NW but cry over the same in SW

You stop sheltering Kashmir Terrorists or India will bomb you, its simple as that.

You stop sheltering afghan Talibanterrorists or American drones wil bomb you. I bet if a drone hit a home in Punjab, Punjabs Loyalists such as you will be the first to protest.

Janna since your a female, with no offence intended, from where do you get your propaghanda from? I am sure you wont be allowed to go to a Pashtun area outside Peshawer without being told to wear your Parda, Are you a member of Zaid Hamid?

Well, in NW its ful of Pro Pakistani Taliban, but sadly Pakistan is avoiding to attack that Area, as there is no more place to hide its puppet terrorists anymore.

Kind Regards

[Son of Mountains]

Stop sheltering terrorists and the jets wont pound you.

What a difference you are longing for launching operation in NW but cry over the same in SW

Jana khorey, can u not skip from politics for some days?
A famous english scholar said that politics is the game of stupid people!
So Leave it for the stupids!
There is lot more on this website for learning and enjoying

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Jana khorey, can u not skip from politics for some days?
A famous english scholar said that politics is the game of stupid people!
So Leave it for the stupids!
There is lot more on this website for learning and enjoying

So you calling me,BLS and many others as Stupids just becuase you cant defend your Pakistaniyat infront of us. SOM we should dedicate a Bhangra night specially for you just to make you happy.

And you are the same SOM who says he is a member of PMAP, which is a Political Party.

Kind Regards

[Son of Mountains]

So you calling me,BLS and many others as Stupids just becuase you cant defend your Pakistaniyat infront of us. SOM we should dedicate a Bhangra night specially for you just to make you happy.

I have not said this really, read my post again. These are a scholar's words my dear friend!

And you are the same SOM who says he is a member of PMAP, which is a Political Party.

Yes i m the same person who is member of PMAP, but in my above post, i m talking for the politics being played here!
Yes u r among them....
at one hand, i like your emotions for pashtuns
At other hand, i dislike your emotions for my present country

[Jana]

Jana khorey, can u not skip from politics for some days?
A famous english scholar said that politics is the game of stupid people!
So Leave it for the stupids!
There is lot more on this website for learning and enjoying

hehehehe ok ok sorry for not heeding to your advice but unfortunately these people bring in politics and Pakistan/ISI phobia even to threads about culture and language.

they think that even if a warlord in Afghanistan sneezes its the fault of Pakistan

[Jana]

You stop sheltering Kashmir Terrorists or India will bomb you, its simple as that.

Lolzzz let the Indians bomb us its your headach, atleast we will not be a cry babies like you.

You stop sheltering afghan Talibanterrorists or American drones wil bomb you. I bet if a drone hit a home in Punjab, Punjabs Loyalists such as you will be the first to protest.

America despite all its barbarism can never dent our determination.

Janna since your a female, with no offence intended, from where do you get your propaghanda from? I am sure you wont be allowed to go to a Pashtun area outside Peshawer without being told to wear your Parda,

BWAHAHAHAHAH SO YOU are now disclosing your real identity aka bharti or is that your bharti friends are on fire and feeding you with this propaganda.

And what do you mean by i am not allowed to go to pashtun area outside Peshawar without observing parda???


if you are a real Pashtun and not an Indian in disguise then you must be knowing that we Pashtun women do observe Parda or cover our body fully while stepping out of our homes.


Get over personal attacks and focus on your issues.


can you tell me from where did you study and now where you sitting and typing on the forum???

Well, in NW its ful of Pro Pakistani Taliban, but sadly Pakistan is avoiding to attack that Area, as there is no more place to hide its puppet terrorists anymore.

Kind Regards

Pakistan can not risk stretching the army at this time neither can afford creating more hatred due to operation in NW

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Jana, Iam a Maseed, everybody knows me here, I have even posted my pic up many times, ive posted threads of photos ive taken in Waziristan in the photo gallery on this forum, I know many members here who know me in real life such as sangar, BLS etc.

Jana, you say by your armed forces are strechted?

DO you mean you are yet to get your Military Aid from America

When you mean by More Hatred, so in other words, you accept the fact that many Pashtuns hate your Dhalistan?

Kind Regards

P.S I do not support India, but i find it hipocritcal of a Jinnah Lover to Insult India, as Jinnah use to be a Hindu Rajput was born in India not Pashtunkhwa.

[Jana]

Jana, Iam a Maseed, everybody knows me here, I have even posted my pic up many times, ive posted threads of photos ive taken in Waziristan in the photo gallery on this forum, I know many members here who know me in real life such as sangar, BLS etc.

If so then why on earth you forgot that we Pashtun women (majority of us) we do not step out without possible parda or covering our bodies. So on earth you were even mocking

Jana, you say by your armed forces are strechted?

DO you mean you are yet to get your Military Aid from America

You need to study the war strategies to understand the term stretching of armies.

When you mean by More Hatred, so in other words, you accept the fact that many Pashtuns hate your Dhalistan?

Those who are calling us such names are themselves dhalas. mind your language next time.

P.S I do not support India, but i find it hipocritcal of a Jinnah Lover to Insult India, as Jinnah use to be a Hindu Rajput was born in India not Pashtunkhwa.

When you become a Muslim then we take you as a Muslim and in Islam we have no concern what were your roots